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[Wafflecakes]

LOL

No.

Yup. They forgot to point out that everything is the fault of the establishment.

 

[Bel Marduk]

This is a great step in the right direction for the DNC. Good!

 

[jack_package_200]

Jesus Christ, I can't anymore...

All for idea logical purity and no compromising is what led to the Tea Party.

Lets not go down that route.

 

[RustyNails]

But they see Hillary and DWS as a same vote so Berndog got shafted by the establishment AGAIN

 

[Megadragon15]

Colonel Sanders has the Democrats scared. He should attack them even harder to make sure he is the Presidential candidate.

 

[Tranqueris]

Now Bernie is part of the Establishment.

Lets see how this is rationalized.

People were out there regurgitating NRA talking points before the NY primary to avoid having to criticize Bernie, I'm pretty sure they can manage to rationalize whatever they need to at this point.

 

[jack_package_200]

Colonel Sanders has the Democrats scared. He should attack them even harder to make sure he is the Presidential candidate.

Fuck the will of the voters right?

 

[davepoobond]

So Bernie is a part of the establishment now???

 

[Maxim726X]

Colonel Sanders has the Democrats scared. He should attack them even harder to make sure he is the Presidential candidate.

No, they just want him to shut the fuck up and back Hillary after he loses.

I'm sure he'll try to extort more on his way out, but this will hopefully appease him for a while.

 

[Bel Marduk]

But they see Hillary and DWS as a same vote so Berndog got shafted by the establishment AGAIN

but Clinton has basically won the nomination.. We can't expect them to have the same number of committee members.

 

[jack_package_200]

but Clinton has basically won the nomination.. We can't expect them to have the same number of committee members.

Agreed.

If Hillary demanded to have 50/50 representation in the party platform if Bernie had beaten her, everyone would tell her hell no.

This is a pretty reasonable comprimise.

 

[RustyNails]

but Clinton has basically won the nomination.. We can't expect them to have the same number of committee members.

What is this establishment speak I hear?? Hillary won through fraud, lies and rigging. True winner of the people is Bernie. Therefore the vote should reflect that.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Joke concession. You need two-thirds of the committee members to affect a change and between them, DWS and Clinton control two-thirds of the members. That's not any different to the deal she was giving him months ago where he got three members. DWS shouldn't be appointing *any* members, she shouldn't even have her job. Clinton has won the nomination, probably by a ~58% delegate margin or so, and so should have ~58% of the delegates, and Sanders ~42% accordingly. He should just reject any other offer, and run as an independent if necessary.

 

[davepoobond]

Joke concession. You need two-thirds of the committee members to affect a change and between them, DWS and Clinton control two-thirds of the members. That's not any different to the deal she was giving him months ago where he got three members. DWS shouldn't be appointing *any* members, she shouldn't even have her job. Clinton has won the nomination, probably by a ~58% delegate margin or so, and so should have ~58% of the delegates, and Sanders ~42% accordingly. He should just reject any other offer, and run as an independent if necessary.

Sanders should be 42% President.

 

[Bel Marduk]

What is this establishment speak I hear?? Hillary won through fraud, lies and rigging. True winner of the people is Bernie. Therefore the vote should reflect that.

I don't see how that post adds anything to this discussion.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Joke concession. You need two-thirds of the committee members to affect a change and between them, DWS and Clinton control two-thirds of the members. That's not any different to the deal she was giving him months ago where he got three members. DWS shouldn't be appointing *any* members, she shouldn't even have her job. Clinton has won the nomination, probably by a ~58% delegate margin or so, and so should have ~58% of the delegates, and Sanders ~42% accordingly. He should just reject any other offer, and run as an independent if necessary.

...and prove once and for all that he was in it for the ego... not the issues.

 

[Jonm1010]

Now Bernie is part of the Establishment.

Lets see how this is rationalized.

Wasn't this kinda one of the original purposes of his campaign before it blew up more then anyone really anticipated?

He wanted to move the party back toward the progressive platforms he felt the party had moved too far away from? This kinda helps achieve that.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Hopefully this is a preview of a somewhat civil DNC/post-primary phase.

If Bernie is still spouting "contested convention" after this and losing the 6/7 primaries (I don't think he's going to win Cali and NJ looks like a Clinton blowout) the Democrats wouldn't be out of line by taking away his chairmanship when the Dems take the Senate majority.

 

[Link]

Joke concession. You need two-thirds of the committee members to affect a change and between them, DWS and Clinton control two-thirds of the members. That's not any different to the deal she was giving him months ago where he got three members. DWS shouldn't be appointing *any* members, she shouldn't even have her job. Clinton has won the nomination, probably by a ~58% delegate margin or so, and so should have ~58% of the delegates, and Sanders ~42% accordingly. He should just reject any other offer, and run as an independent if necessary.

This is why people have stopped taking Sanders supporters seriously.

 

[phazedplasma]

Joke concession. You need two-thirds of the committee members to affect a change and between them, DWS and Clinton control two-thirds of the members. That's not any different to the deal she was giving him months ago where he got three members. DWS shouldn't be appointing *any* members, she shouldn't even have her job. Clinton has won the nomination, probably by a ~58% delegate margin or so, and so should have ~58% of the delegates, and Sanders ~42% accordingly. He should just reject any other offer, and run as an independent if necessary.

This. DWS = Members for Hillary.

Surprised Bernie accepted this, since nothing will come of it.

 

[Omegasquash]

lol this is a pretty ignorant way of looking at things. try looking at the actual voting history between the two candidates.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...mples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/

for instance sanders voted against the iraq war. clinton voted for it.

sanders voted against the patriot act. clinton voted for it. twice.

sanders voted against the TARP bank bailout, clinton vote for it.

these are not things sanders made up. these are public votes. this is a matter of public record. based on their actual voting record as a senators, the two are as different as democrats and republicans

The same thing parroted over and over again. Politicians can, and do, evolve their stances on issues all the time. I'll reference Barack Obama and equal marriage rights.

I'm talking about here and now. A simple Google search will yield largely the same thing, albeit in different tone. They don't mirror each other of course, but in the end their goals are the same.

Bernie sees one direct way to get us moved to a place, Hillary sees that it's not a direct path, but their goal pretty much is the same.

Fuck the will of the voters right?

I mean...she's ahead, by plenty. Don't know why it's so hard for some folks to accept.

 

[Wafflecakes]

This. DWS = Members for Hillary.

Surprised Bernie accepted this, since nothing will come of it.

So it is pretty much exactly like the rest of Bernie's ideas and proposals?

 

[pigeon]

Joke concession. You need two-thirds of the committee members to affect a change and between them, DWS and Clinton control two-thirds of the members. That's not any different to the deal she was giving him months ago where he got three members. DWS shouldn't be appointing *any* members, she shouldn't even have her job. Clinton has won the nomination, probably by a ~58% delegate margin or so, and so should have ~58% of the delegates, and Sanders ~42% accordingly. He should just reject any other offer, and run as an independent if necessary.

Why should Sanders ever run as an independent? It would have catastrophic effects on the entire country, to say nothing of his particular policy goals.

 

[Y2Kev]

I think they should appoint by the % of delegates they control. That seems the most equitable. It wouldn't make a difference anyway.

 

[jack_package_200]

Joke concession. You need two-thirds of the committee members to affect a change and between them, DWS and Clinton control two-thirds of the members. That's not any different to the deal she was giving him months ago where he got three members. DWS shouldn't be appointing *any* members, she shouldn't even have her job. Clinton has won the nomination, probably by a ~58% delegate margin or so, and so should have ~58% of the delegates, and Sanders ~42% accordingly. He should just reject any other offer, and run as an independent if necessary.

If Bernie actually cares about any of those ideals of his, running as an independent would be the worst possible thing he could do,

 

[Holmes]

LOL Crab

 

[Megadragon15]

Fuck the will of the voters right?

When has Colonel Sanders actually cared about the will of the people? He's old and he wants to be President. He can't wait another 4 to 8 years. He'll do anything to be a Presidential nominee even if he has to steal it.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Clinton has won the nomination, probably by a ~58% delegate margin or so, and so should have ~58% of the delegates, and Sanders ~42% accordingly.

I'm assuming you mean "committee members" here. And no, he shouldn't get a proportional representation of members, he lost. He's a loser, he isn't going to be in the general election so he shouldn't be able to torpedo the person who is by making it impossible to pass committee votes without him. Especially not when you consider what a salty, divisive little man he is.

He should just reject any other offer, and run as an independent if necessary.

How would he do that? We have sore loser laws. He wouldn't even be on the ballot in states like Ohio and Texas.

Since he draws from both "progressives" and "conservatives" (disaffected white men, Ron Paul supporters and the like) the most he could possibly accomplish is blocking the road to 270, and that means congress would get to appoint a new president of their choosing. You think that is going to stick it to the establishment? Jesus.

 

[User1608]

Joke concession. You need two-thirds of the committee members to affect a change and between them, DWS and Clinton control two-thirds of the members. That's not any different to the deal she was giving him months ago where he got three members. DWS shouldn't be appointing *any* members, she shouldn't even have her job. Clinton has won the nomination, probably by a ~58% delegate margin or so, and so should have ~58% of the delegates, and Sanders ~42% accordingly. He should just reject any other offer, and run as an independent if necessary.

Okay, you lost me on the independent stuff. He'd push his proposals decades further and away if he ran as one, due to giving the GOP the win and open SC seats for justices. Is that acceptable? Yes or no.

 

[EnthronedReaper]

The vitriol against sanders is rampant. I'm just here waiting for him to absolutely annihilate Her in the polls here in beautiful Cali

 

[Wafflecakes]

The vitriol against sanders is rampant. I'm just here waiting for him to absolutely annihilate Her in the polls here in beautiful Cali

You are going to be waiting a very long time.

 

[phazedplasma]

So it is pretty much exactly like the rest of Bernie's ideas and proposals?

Eh, I don't think that's totally fair.

If midterms go the way of the democrats this fall and sanders was president I believe he'd be able to get something done. I don't think any realistic sanders support believes he will do anywhere close to anything he says.

If midterms don't go their way then Sanders will get exactly as much done as HIllary would: nothing.

Also, i don't support him running as an independent. That would be foolish.

 

[pigeon]

The vitriol against sanders is rampant. I'm just here waiting for him to absolutely annihilate Her in the polls here in beautiful Cali

I hate to break it to you....

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...nia_democratic_presidential_primary-5321.html

Clinton has a 10 point lead in the polling average.

 

[Arkeband]

He's a loser [...] a salty, divisive little man.

Tell us how you really feel.

 

[Bel Marduk]

The vitriol against sanders is rampant. I'm just here waiting for him to absolutely annihilate Her in the polls here in beautiful Cali

That won't happen but I'm starting to believe Trump might win in November. Not that I want that at all.

Clinton really needs to work on appealing to progressive voters, this one concession by the DNC is a step in the right direction.

 

[uncelestial]

I think that's a good outcome, as a Bernie supporter. Anyone who wants to say that his campaign was inconsequential can take a step back, healing from the primary rift can begin, a pull from the left will be felt.

And it's about time. Center-left vs. The Tea Party has gone on long enough. It's time to stop being afraid of big leftist ideas like UHC, student loan reform, banking reform, and basic income. Ronald Reagan is dead. His legacy of the "perceived center" of the country being pro-corporate proles who have to be dragged into accepting minorities and women kicking and screaming can die with him.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

Who cares? The party platform is meaningless.

 

[phazedplasma]

That won't happen but I'm starting to believe Trump might win in November. Not that I want that at all.

Clinton really needs to work on appealing to progressive voters, this one concession by the DNC is a step in the right direction.

If she really wanted to do that, she'd force DWS out of the DNC and put in someone partial.

DWS is toxic for the party. HIllary will still win, she loses nothing by doing this.

 

[pigeon]

If she really wanted to do that, she'd force DWS out of the DNC and put in someone partial.

DWS is toxic for the party. HIllary will still win, she loses nothing by doing this.

I mean, DWS got into the seat in the first place because Hillary demanded it as part of her concession to Obama.

I could definitely see her getting replaced. Very likely by Tulsi Gabbard.

 

[B-Dubs]

I mean, DWS got into the seat in the first place because Hillary demanded it as part of her concession to Obama.

I could definitely see her getting replaced. Very likely by Tulsi Gabbard.

Ugh, can we just get Howard Dean back?

 

[BotoxAgent]

wait sorry, what's so bad about Tulsi Gabbard again?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Why should Sanders ever run as an independent? It would have catastrophic effects on the entire country, to say nothing of his particular policy goals.

I mean, if he just straight up says "yeah, I'm not going to run as an independent", he doesn't have much leverage, does he? The basic model is this one.

 

[pigeon]

Ugh, can we just get Howard Dean back?

I'm kind of like, who cares? I am proud to say I am not sure what specifically the DNC chair does except for go on CNN a bunch, something Tulsi would be great at. Also I assume there's fundraising.

Clearly the party likes Tulsi because she was vice-chair under DWS until she resigned this year to endorse Bernie. What better choice to unify the party and show Bernie's desires getting acknowledged than her?

 

[DrForester]

Last I checked elections don't give out Silver Medals.

Yes they do. It's called the "Secretary of State".

 

[jack_package_200]

I'm kind of like, who cares? I am proud to say I am not sure what specifically the DNC chair does except for go on CNN a bunch, something Tulsi would be great at. Also I assume there's fundraising.

Clearly the party likes Tulsi because she was vice-chair under DWS until she resigned this year to endorse Bernie. What better choice to unify the party and show Bernie's desires getting acknowledged than her?

I think this is a smart move. Work towards unifying the party more.

Yes they do. It's called the "Secretary of State".

I feel like Secretary of Labor is a better spot for Bernie.

 

[AbsolutBro]

Clinton really needs to work on appealing to progressive voters, this one concession by the DNC is a step in the right direction.

Is it though? If anyone thinks about it for a second, it looks like exactly what it is: an empty gesture. Pure placating with no real anything.

I honestly think they would have been better off not doing anything. Just own the fact that Clinton is winning / has won (almost?) and go with that. This just feels like empty pandering, which it kind of is.

 

[Souldriver]

This is a good thing.

They don't owe him anything, because he lost. But realistically, and pragmatically speaking, it's good to try and include his fraction into the process and the party, and to give Bernie and his followers a consolation prize. That's not meant in a condescending way. Trying to keep everyone happy, and feel like they're welcome in the Democratic Party, is just smart policy. It's not as if his following is just some fringe redditors. He has broad support.

However, I doubt Bernie will accept this gracefully. Ironically, the best placed person to talk to Bernie and empathize with him, is Hillary. She went through the exact same nightmare as he does now in 2008. But she eventually became an alley of Obama. I don't see that quality in Bernie at all. I want to be proven wrong though.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

What specifically are Sanders grievances with DWS?

 

[Rootbeer]

This is how Bernie wins. The election is out of his grasp, but he still has important roles yet to play. It's good news for his supporters.

 

[Maxim726X]

Is it though? If anyone thinks about it for a second, it looks like exactly what it is: an empty gesture. Pure placating with no real anything.

I honestly think they would have been better off not doing anything. Just own the fact that Clinton is winning / has won (almost?) and go with that. This just feels like empty pandering, which it kind of is.

It's a moral victory.

Which, is almost as good as a real one!