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The Witcher III: Blood & Wine |Reviews Thread| Pour another goblet
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I agree. I had no problem with it.
I did just start playing Witcher 2 for the first time and it is definitely kind of shit combat.
UmbraeCruxis
Banned
Spring Drive
Banned
Witcher 3 is my favorite game of all-time but there are definitely some limitations and jankyness in the combat. For example, I very much dislike that light attacks are slow. They are slow because they have this long wind up time with the way he spins in a circle before he strikes. Sometimes there is phantom damage where there isn't any visual indication but you end up taking ridiculous amounts of damage from something that doesn't make sense. There are no i-frames on rolls (unless you spec into it) and you cannot block two handed weapons. Yet there are times where you are having to block one handed weapons and then a two handed weapon swings at you and it takes 80% of your health. You can't really roll away very easily either because in the scrum of it you'll likely get hit anyway (no i-frames). I do think the combat is still serviceable and enjoyable for the most part but it can also frustrate you if you're playing on Death March.
iz.podpolja
Neo Member
Well, there are i-frames, though not always they work how you would expect:
https://youtu.be/rPqKqTdkh4E?t=26
Linkstrikesback
Member
It's time to du-du-du... Gwent!
What's so lol about it?
The score isn't lol, since 8/10 is a decent score and I'm sure there are plenty of critiques to be had to indicate why 8/10 is what they gave it. The problem is the list that someone posted (can't read the full review since I don't speak French) doesn't actually coincide with that score as much and contradicts itself. If the only thing bad they can write about the game is that they wanted more (despite the pro being this has as much content as a full game) and there's some AI bugs, well then they just got lazy with their summary, probably.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
i'm pretty sure this is the end for geralt. there might be more witcher games in the future but i doubt geralt will return. maybe we'll get to play as ciri or another witcher. i wouldn't mind a younger vesemir.
RespectThySole
Member
8/10 is basically as good as it gets at Gamekult
http://www.metacritic.com/publication/gamekult?page=0
"95% lower than the average critic"
8/10 is basically as good as it gets at Gamekult
http://www.metacritic.com/publication/gamekult?page=0
"95% lower than the average critic"
8 is good for 1/10 notation where 5 means average.
Wow, those are some bizarre design choices. This explains the massive inconsistencies I've experienced with dodging. Disabling iFrames after getting hit/after attacking? WTF were you thinking CDP?
8/10 is basically as good as it gets at Gamekult
http://www.metacritic.com/publication/gamekult?page=0
"95% lower than the average critic"
That, and it didn't just get an 8. It also got a Gamekult selection which means it's especially recommended (i.e. almost a 9).
Exentryk
Member
It's a bug, and not something intended. I have a ticket logged with CDPR about this and they are investigating it.
That video was from 2015. I replayed TW3 recently and I still found inconsistencies with the dodging. If this is actually a bug then it's been in there since release. iFrames not working properly is massive with regards to combat and I can't imagine that CDP missed this during testing.
Discotheque
Banned
holy shit at the beautiful colour in those screenshots. CD Projekt are just the best devs working today imo. made my favorite rpg trilogy, capping it off with a GOTG contender.
PodcastFips
Member
Wait, what? This is coming out in 6 days?!
Holy shit, I totally missed that.
Holy shit, I totally missed that.
The best limitation is that the iframes are removed if you dodge right after dodging. Which means that if an enemy has a sequence of attacks, you have to pause between dodges to obtain iframes, which is just weird. And if you are fighting multiple enemies at once, if they attack in sequence, it means that there may not be enough of a window to "settle down" Gerelt before dodging again, so you just have to take the hit, even though you dodged-- which is terrible design.
I hope Cyberpunk gets some real love put into its combat system. Theoretically, it'll be more of a shooter, so they'll have a whole host of new problems to solve.
CollectedDust
Member
This has probably already been answered, yet I was scanning around and couldn't find an answer: Can you jump straight from a new game to this DLC? I played through the main game and the first expansion on X1, but would prefer to switch to the PC version. Can I jump over, or would I have to replay everything?
Exactly.
I can understand them wanting to prevent the player being able to spam dodge but implementing it the way they did is just plain bad. It always drove me up the wall when I was dodging and weaving through enemy attacks only for it to suddenly not work any more. Disabling iFrames right after attacking/using signs punishes players with good reflexes and forcing them to wait just makes the combat more tedious and drawn out.
Hearts of Stone had an option where you could create a level 35 (or something similar) Geralt from scratch and jump directly into the expansion, it will probably be the same with Blood and Wine.
They shouldn't need to worry about the user spamming the dodge - all they would have to do is tighten up the iframe window so that only some portion of the animation (beginning is the best, as it rewards reflexive observation, but middle would be fine too) is invincible. Then the users that just hammer the dodge button would be open to hits due to bad timing.
And that's just the dodge. The entirety of the fight system is non-causal; attack animations are randomized and have different timings. Additionally, the attacks differ depending on Geralt's distance from an enemy (so they are variant for both distance and some other random variable for animation), meaning you never really know what you are going to get when you hit the attack button.
Non-causal fight system == no bueno
Exentryk
Member
Yes, I know. You are giving way too much credit to CDPR's gameplay mechanics team. Let's just say they're not very good. There are so many issues with the gameplay that still haven't been fixed that you really shouldn't be surprised by something like this.
It was only recently that a modder posted a thread about this and included the code related information about what was getting messed up. So, with this helpful code information, I submitted a ticket as it now has a much higher chance of being fixed as the developers know exactly what to fix.
It's the combination of inconsistent i-frames and some unblockable attacks that is frustrating. If there were no i-frames but I could consistently block, I could deal with that. Even if they balanced it by having Geralt take a little damage while blocking, that'd be fine. Quen feels so necessary much of the time because you need that added level of defense.
JustSomeone
Member
The ignore button on GAF exists for those people
Why, because then it's not like Dark Souls, which is the holy grail of combat and can do no wrong? I hear you about the dodge and i-frames, but don't agree on this.
Geralt is a master swordsman, not a nameless nobody who came from nowhere like the protagonist in Souls games. He needs to have a wide variety of moves and attacks to properly reflect the witchers' fighting style as described in the books, in the lore of the series. I think CDPR did an amazing job in this regard, and I don't see how else they could accomplish this without using randomized/differing attack animations.
The DS system where each attack results in exactly the same type of swing is simple and reliable, and it works well in those games. But it would be horribly out of place and boring as hell in this game. Especially if you consider that, unlike DS with its variety of weapons and their different animations, witchers pretty much always fight with good old swords.
JustCheezze
Banned
As always, all these so called "reviews" will look past the problems Witcher 3 has at its core.
Great game yes, but talk about it as being the best thing to ever happen to the gaming industry? Lol.
Great game yes, but talk about it as being the best thing to ever happen to the gaming industry? Lol.
Raiden in MGR has random attack animations as well and yet he's a lot more reliable since his attacks all have pretty much the same speed and come out at the same time.
Besides, one of the issues with randomized attacks in TW3 is (again) inconsistency. If Geralt is further away from an enemy he adds a twirl to his attack to close the distance. The problem is that this specific attack sometimes comes out even when Geralt isn't even that far away, resulting in an overly long startup (and your enemy often interrupting you). This is what makes his attacks unreliable (which IMO, is really bad design for an action game).
UnrealEck
Member
It's a shame the combat hasn't been improved, yet the expansion is getting such high reviews. It's the biggest gameplay element of the game and one of the elements of the entire game they had the opportunity to improve upon in this expansion. From what I played of the game (maybe 15-20 hours) it was just not very fun.
Exentryk
Member
It can be that the flaws of the combat are less noticeable with interesting enemy behaviour that relies more on your use of signs and bombs, like the wraiths of the main game, or arachnomorphs and boars of HoS for example.
usp84
Member
Be careful this is not an opinion you can have here according to some people.You may end up being on their ignored lists
Gamekult usually give low review scores, a 8 from them is pretty much amazing.
Oh that's the Rend&Whirl range extending runeword, isn't it? Love it on Whirl, turns Geralt into a tornado of deathYup. That's why Rend is so amazing coz it's a known fixed animation.
Exentryk
Member
Yeah! It's called Severance. Have it on both of my swords. Would have been nicer if the effect was global so only one sword needed it, but oh well.
UmbraeCruxis
Banned
It's very much a your mileage may vary type of deal. I had a great time with the combat (after beating dark souls 3 and bloodborne if thst matters at all). I just hopenthe boss design from HoS comes back. They had such interesting gimmicks that i loved fighting those bosses.
Oh definitely. One of the things I'm looking forward to most in B&W is the bosses since the ones in HoS were leagues better than those in the vanilla. The only one I remember really liking in vanilla was Imlerith though I had a good bit of fun fighting wyverns about 10 levels above me as well.
Exentryk
Member
Even with all the issues, I enjoy the combat too. I play more using Signs and heavy attacks though, and so it becomes more of a slower tactical game than a more up in the face fast paced kinda game. Lure things in to Yrden, then Aard knockdown them and then instant kill them. (Bit of a shame that the devs nerfed Yrden though.)
I feel like I never used Yrden effectively in combat. Outside of making Wraiths corporeal it always seemed like other enemies just shrugged off its effects.
shinobi602
Member
...you do know it's possible for people to enjoy the combat? It's a possibility. I like it quite a bit.