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Uncharted 4: A Thief's End |OT| You're gonna miss this ass

soultron

Banned
I started the UC Collection the week before UC4 came out and I've finally finished UC4 today.

It was an incredible game. The combat and melee build on the improvements from UC3 and it's super polished. The best part, in my opinion, is that the encounters are lighter and much more spread out in this game. Combat encounters were layered pretty thick in 2 and 3, so I'm glad UC4 doled them out sparingly. I actually really liked the stealth this time around -- so much better than UC2 and UC3s rudimentary attempts at it. I liked being able to slip by without engaging at all!

As someone who loved ICO and Gone Home, I loved the focus on exploration and 3D navigation. Certain chapters were incredible to find the little stories littered around in the form of the notes and letters. I feel like the quiet moments in UC4 really evoke ICO, especially when you're scaling crumbling castle and fort walls. The rope and other navigation options you gain later in the game were awesome tweaks and additions too.

The vehicle sections felt incredible. I loved the chapter with the jeep. The scope of the environment and the freedom there was incredible. The little bonuses everywhere made exploration so worth it.

Photomode made me take my time because I was constantly taking shots. The vistas, PBR and lighting dropped my jaw so many times; I felt like I was looking at beautiful concept art shots in motion more often than not.

It's an incredible game. I can't believe ND pulled this off to the level they did. The writing felt super right this time around, even if it had a few missteps here and there.
 
I actually thought the treasure story in this one was easily the best of the series.
It didn't need a supernatural element, it was already compelling enough.
It's easily the most fleshed-out backstory of any of the Uncharted games. The other ones pretty much boiled down to one long exposition cutscene towards the beginning that explained the overall "mystery" treasure being sought after, and then it was pretty much all about the current conflict with the villains until the very end when the lost city/treasure or whatever is found and the twist is revealed.

Uncharted 4, on the other hand, is constantly providing new information and intrigue regarding the treasure along the way, and it gets more and more engrossing the closer you get to discovering what happened. I absolutely love the letters/journal entries you found written by people in the past (it's actually a shame these were introduced in the final game of the series). Uncharted 4 easily has the best balance I think between the villain conflict and the background story.

I suppose it helps that I'm always interested in pirate-themed stuff, as well.
 
I actually thought the treasure story in this one was easily the best of the series.
It didn't need a supernatural element, it was already compelling enough.
It's easily the most fleshed-out backstory of any of the Uncharted games. The other ones pretty much boiled down to one long exposition cutscene towards the beginning that explained the overall "mystery" treasure being sought after, and then it was pretty much all about the current conflict with the villains until the very end when the lost city/treasure or whatever is found and the twist is revealed.

Uncharted 4, on the other hand, is constantly providing new information and intrigue regarding the treasure along the way, and it gets more and more engrossing the closer you get to discovering what happened. I absolutely love the letters/journal entries you found written by people in the past (it's actually a shame these were introduced in the final game of the series). Uncharted 4 easily has the best balance I think between the villain conflict and the background story.

I suppose it helps that I'm always interested in pirate-themed stuff, as well.
I agree with all of this. Uncharted 4 was the first game in the series where the treasure hunt was fleshed out in a way that it's basically a story on its own.
 

Ascenion

Member
I agree with all of this. Uncharted 4 was the first game in the series where the treasure hunt was fleshed out in a way that it's basically a story on its own.

The only reason it's fleshed out is because they conflated Libertatia with Henry Every. As far as I remember Every had nothing to do with Libertatia, assuming you historically believe it existed. Not to mention
they stumbled upon Libertatia by accident looking simply for Every's treasure.
Thomas Tew is the only relevant person to this and by the time the Gunsway heist happened he died not soon after making the events of the game impossible, but Anne Bonny already makes that impossible to begin with. To be frank they took quite a lot of liberties with this one. More so than any other Uncharted.
 
Worst final boss fight in the whole franchise..
Worse than Golden Abyss?
The only reason it's fleshed out is because they conflated Libertatia with Henry Every. As far as I remember Every had nothing to do with Libertatia, assuming you historically believe it existed. Not to mention
they stumbled upon Libertatia by accident looking simply for Every's treasure.
Thomas Tew is the only relevant person to this and by the time the Gunsway heist happened he died not soon after making the events of the game impossible, but Anne Bonny already makes that impossible to begin with. To be frank they took quite a lot of liberties with this one. More so than any other Uncharted.
The franchise's first scene has two liberties already with Drake faking his death and Drake having secret children. It's all just fiction do I really couldn't care less how much this pirate treasure story isn't historically accurate when its following up stuff like Spanish-Nazi zombies.
 
The only reason it's fleshed out is because they conflated Libertatia with Henry Every. As far as I remember Every had nothing to do with Libertatia, assuming you historically believe it existed. Not to mention
they stumbled upon Libertatia by accident looking simply for Every's treasure.
Thomas Tew is the only relevant person to this and by the time the Gunsway heist happened he died not soon after making the events of the game impossible, but Anne Bonny already makes that impossible to begin with. To be frank they took quite a lot of liberties with this one. More so than any other Uncharted.
Just because a story is made up doesn't mean it isn't interesting or good. Since when has Uncharted been historically accurate?
 

Yurikerr

This post isn't by me, it's by a guy with the same username as me.
Just finished the game.

Really, really liked it. But the final boss is garbage.

It's funny that i enjoyed that this game has less combat, but walked away mad that the final encounter isn't using guns

Playing on hard it took me 15 hours and I can only say that I was annoyed by the difficulty 1 or 2 times (and that stupid final boss).

I don't feel the need to replay the game as soon as possible, but i know that it'll be a all-time classic for me just like The Last Of Us is.

Now I have the MP to keep me occupied.

P.S: This game graphics are truly unbelievable at times. The parts were they are in
libertalia
are simply amazing.
 

Ricky_R

Member
Just finished... Man, that whole ending got me good. Got me real good.

What a great game, loved everything about it. What an incredibly bittersweet end to one of my beloved franchises. Sad to see ND let them go, but also very excited to see what they come up with next. Whether it's TLOU 2 or a new IP, I can't fucking wait.
 

Ishida

Banned
Finished the game this afternoon and loved it. I'm going to miss these characters. The nostalgia has already kicked in. .

This. So much this.

I've been gaming since the 80's, and Uncharted is easily one of the best video game franchises I've ever experienced. Loved the settings, the sense of adventure, the gameplay, and most of all, the amazing, charming characters.
 

Ascenion

Member
Just because a story is made up doesn't mean it isn't interesting or good. Since when has Uncharted been historically accurate?

It's never been 100% historically accurate no, but usually it takes liberties where they are available to be taken or where history is muddy and the myth begins. This is different as we actually know when some of the people featured here died, or didn't die. This kills the suspension of disbelief. I brought this up to a friend and he cited ACIV, but that is simply the Gump effect and is different. It doesn't involve shifting dates and purposes and people.
 
It's never been 100% historically accurate no, but usually it takes liberties where they are available to be taken or where history is muddy and the myth begins. This is different as we actually know when some of the people featured here died, or didn't die. This kills the suspension of disbelief. I brought this up to a friend and he cited ACIV, but that is simply the Gump effect and is different. It doesn't involve shifting dates and purposes and people.

The entire premise of the first game is that Francis Drake faked his death tho. This is no different.
 
It's never been 100% historically accurate no, but usually it takes liberties where they are available to be taken or where history is muddy and the myth begins. This is different as we actually know when some of the people featured here died, or didn't die. This kills the suspension of disbelief. I brought this up to a friend and he cited ACIV, but that is simply the Gump effect and is different. It doesn't involve shifting dates and purposes and people.
Spaniard zombies, roided aborigines, and cursed water are much harder to believe than switching a few dates on pirate deaths.
 

Randam

Member
The entire premise of the first game is that Francis Drake faked his death tho. This is no different.
Anne Bonny was born in 1700.
Every and Tew were already dead then and Libertalia already founded.

Spaniard zombies, roided aborigines, and cursed water are much harder to believe than switching a few dates on pirate deaths.
The rest is made up from the begin with.
The dates are fact.
 
It's never been 100% historically accurate no, but usually it takes liberties where they are available to be taken or where history is muddy and the myth begins. This is different as we actually know when some of the people featured here died, or didn't die. This kills the suspension of disbelief. I brought this up to a friend and he cited ACIV, but that is simply the Gump effect and is different. It doesn't involve shifting dates and purposes and people.

Wasn't the whole idea of Uncharted 1 was that we know when Francis Drake died but Uncharted played with this? This is the same thing.

EDIT:

Anne Bonny was born in 1700.
Every and Tew were already dead then and Libertalia already founded.


The rest is made up from the begin with.
The dates are fact.


I stand corrected.
 

Ricky_R

Member
Btw, has there been any update on cut-scenes being added for viewing?

It really sucks that I can't watch them again or, what I usually like to do after I finish the game, show them to friends and family.
 

Ascenion

Member
The entire premise of the first game is that Francis Drake faked his death tho. This is no different.

Drake was buried in a lead coffin and it was dropped out to sea and it has never been found. That's in line with what I said. It isn't shifting dates or people. For all intents and purposes Drake is dead and a myth has begun. Hell they even got El Dorado right in that to an extent as well by not making it a city.
 

Ishida

Banned
Ok, wait a second....

Do we actually have people here debating the "historical accuracy" of the Uncharted series?

Are you guys for real, or are you just joking around?

Here they want us to believe Anne Bonny for example was born 20 years earlier.

Sure, no problem. I can accept that. Is that such a big deal?
 

Ricky_R

Member
Who cares how many liberties they took with the story? Any accuracy the previous games had were just icing on the cake. The games were never meant to be historically accurate, the forth just deviated a lot more.

Avery's treasure is just a base for the actual story anyway.
 

Ascenion

Member
Ok, wait a second....

Do we actually have people here debating the "historical accuracy" of the Uncharted series?

Are you guys for real, or are you just joking around?



Sure, no problem. I can accept that. Is that such a big deal?

I'm for real. Mostly because it's never been this ridiculous. They always played around with non-factual stuff in the other titles where there was leeway but in UC4 the plot is legitimately not actualy possible the way they have it.

Who cares how many liberties they took with the story? Any accuracy the previous games had were just icing on the cake. The games were never meant to be historically accurate, the forth just deviated a lot more.

Avery's treasure is just a base for the actual story anyway.

That's part of the problem. It was fine with just that. It would've been fine with just that, but they had to throw in mystery and that alone wasn't enough and that's where historically it went down hill bringing in Libertatia out of nowhere. Hell given the marketing for the game I was asking myself where is Libertatia and then it pops up and I'm slightly disgusted with how.
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
I loved Rafe and Nadine.

I also thought the final fight was pretty great (stylish as all hell), I only died once and that was after the halfway mark checkpoint.
 

Aenima

Member
Anne Bonny was born in 1700.
Every and Tew were already dead then and Libertalia already founded.


The rest is made up from the begin with.
The dates are fact.

I liked the fact that all pirates in U4 are real, except one that dont have a name and Sam also dont know the name of that pirate, as its a easter egg.
(Suposed to be Guybrush Threepwood from Monkey Island)
 
It's been a few weeks since I finished the game and now that things soaked in, I gotta say this is the worst uncharted game. I've replayed the other games in the series multiple time but I tried going back for a second play through and I just can't do it. There's just way to many slow moving chapters. This is a one and done game for me.
 

sviri

Member
Unfortunately this game made me feel like I wasted $40, because the amazing storytelling experience was worth about the cost of a movie ticket + a $5 tip for ND being the best at pulling heart strings.

I sincerely believe that TR2013 did the "game" part way better. Upgrades, more combat, more exploring. Cannot wait for RoTR PS4, BRING IT ON.
 

Ascenion

Member
No one really knows when Avery or Tew died though.
Most people peg Tew as being dead in 1695 which is when the Gunsboat heist occurs and while Every does live past that, Tew isn't there to help found Libertatia and Anne Bonny absolutely isn't present and neither is Christopher Condent.
 

Ricky_R

Member
I'm for real. Mostly because it's never been this ridiculous. They always played around with non-factual stuff in the other titles where there was leeway but in UC4 the plot is legitimately not actualy possible the way they have it.



That's part of the problem. It was fine with just that. It would've been fine with just that, but they had to throw in mystery and that alone wasn't enough and that's where historically it went down hill bringing in Libertatia out of nowhere. Hell given the marketing for the game I was asking myself where is Libertatia and then it pops up and I'm slightly disgusted with how.

Dude, it's Uncharted for fuck's sake. I mean, cursed zombies? Smurfs guardians? Whether one game takes more liberties than others is pretty irrevelant considering what the games are going for.

I'm honestly a bit perplexed that we're actually having this conversation.
 

Ishida

Banned
Most people peg Tew as being dead in 1695 which is when the Gunsboat heist occurs and while Every does live past that, Tew isn't there to help found Libertatia and Anne Bonny absolutely isn't present and neither is Christopher Condent.

Pre-order cancelled.

Honestly though, that doesn't seem like such a big deal.
 
Unfortunately this game made me feel like I wasted $40, because the amazing storytelling experience was worth about the cost of a movie ticket + a $5 tip for ND being the best at pulling heart strings.

I sincerely believe that TR2013 did the "game" part way better. Upgrades, more combat, more exploring. Cannot wait for RoTR PS4, BRING IT ON.

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and Uncharted never had an upgrade system...
 

Javin98

Banned
Good grief, we're talking about historical accuracy in Uncharted now? This reminds me of people who argued that God Of War doesn't do Greek mythology justice because it makes shit up. The level of nitpick some people on GAF will do is ridiculous.
 

Ascenion

Member
Dude, it's Uncharted for fuck's sake. I mean, cursed zombies? Smurfs guardians? Whether one game takes more liberties than others is pretty irrevelant considering what the games are going for.

I'm honestly a bit perplexed that we're actually having this conversation.

Again as I said before all of that is in line with the myths taking over. The actual history was still legit when mentioned.

Pre-order cancelled.

Honestly though, that doesn't seem like such a big deal.

I mean if you loved pirates or know even a little about them it kills the suspension of disbelief. These characters in game wouldn't be this wrong. A similar plot could've easily been done centering on Nassau if you wanted to have big pirates involved, or they could've done the game just on Libertaita without involving Every.
 
I mean the option to watch. I know it's missing, just want to know if ND has acknowledged it, and/or if it's going to be added.

It's been an option on all their games since Drake's Fortune.

No, there is no option for that. Maybe in a update later? Druckmann watches Neogaf he should deliver.
 

Randam

Member
Dude, it's Uncharted for fuck's sake. I mean, cursed zombies? Smurfs guardians? Whether one game takes more liberties than others is pretty irrevelant considering what the games are going for.

I'm honestly a bit perplexed that we're actually having this conversation.

Good grief, we're talking about historical accuracy in Uncharted now? This reminds me of people who argued that God Of War doesn't do Greek mythology justice because it makes shit up. The level of nitpick some people on GAF will do is ridiculous.


The made up stuff is all fine. Because it is just made up.
You can do what ever you want with it.

But when you change facts, it is something different.
 

Ricky_R

Member
I think this was a lot easier for them to do when the cutscenes were just video files. Now they're rendered in realtime.

I haven't heard anything either way.

Good point. Although, after playing the game, telling me that adding an option to watch the cut-scenes can be difficult to implement, would be quite funny.

I'm not tech guru though.
 

Ricky_R

Member
The made up stuff is all fine. Because it is just made up.
You can do what ever you want with it.

But when you change facts, it is something different.

It would be in the History channel, not in Uncharted for Christ's sake. Were you upset with Inglourious Basterds?

Anyway, this convo is pretty silly to me. You guys can go ahead without me. ;)
 

Javin98

Banned
The made up stuff is all fine. Because it is just made up.
You can do what ever you want with it.

But when you change facts, it is something different.
So? How exactly does it hinder the experience if facts were altered to fit the story? Does it bother you that Abraham Lincoln was depicted as a vampire hunter in a movie?
 
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