Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Let me try this again...
GUYS, IT'S JUST FLAVOR. GHOSTED IS NK, BANISH IS LYNCH.
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Danny Phantom Mafia |OT| Your lynch doesn't stand a ghost of a chance!
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GUYS, IT'S JUST FLAVOR. GHOSTED IS NK, BANISH IS LYNCH.
*Ourobulesque
Blargonaut
Banned
Did I?
That's what it looked like.
Now this is something that's super suspicious and not just a mistake. Blatant role fishing. And role fishing for what seems to be the most important role in the game.
Vote: TheWorthyEdge
Blargonaut
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
He does make a great scapegoat, doesn't he, ultron
Blargonaut
Banned
Sure does. I find it more actionable than a typo.
Blargonaut
Banned
yep
Rawr...?
What do you make of his first post then? Mafia gambit gone wrong?
Royal_Flush
Member
Typical D1 stuff:
( ) random vote
(x) desperate attempt to create activity / something to talk about with some kind of survey or game
(x) useless flavor speculation
(x) people not reading the info in the OP
(x) unprovoked roleclaim (it's Blarg so that one is debatable)
( ) last minute swing
( ) lynch of an important and/or interesting Town PR
We're getting there...
Anyway, I'm pleasantly surprised that I remember at least one action from each player except Enker and melonrabbit. I want to hear more from those two.
That Darryl No-Lynch doesn't startle me as much as some of you, as he explicitly said he just temporarily parked his vote there.
Darryl also is smart enough to not answer TWE's question and I still don't think TWE is Scum with such a blatant attempt on fishing.
I also want to point out that we only have around 26 hours left (according to the clock in post 3) and I'm rather clueless. I may have to do one of those work-intensive "search all post by user" analysis if nothing comes up soon...
( ) random vote
(x) desperate attempt to create activity / something to talk about with some kind of survey or game
(x) useless flavor speculation
(x) people not reading the info in the OP
(x) unprovoked roleclaim (it's Blarg so that one is debatable)
( ) last minute swing
( ) lynch of an important and/or interesting Town PR
We're getting there...
Anyway, I'm pleasantly surprised that I remember at least one action from each player except Enker and melonrabbit. I want to hear more from those two.
That Darryl No-Lynch doesn't startle me as much as some of you, as he explicitly said he just temporarily parked his vote there.
Darryl also is smart enough to not answer TWE's question and I still don't think TWE is Scum with such a blatant attempt on fishing.
I also want to point out that we only have around 26 hours left (according to the clock in post 3) and I'm rather clueless. I may have to do one of those work-intensive "search all post by user" analysis if nothing comes up soon...
TWE apparently returning to the "draw Danny out" well does recontextualize that initial "mistake". And certainly makes it seem less like a mistake. Maybe scum have some more info about Danny than we do and are willing to take some (admittedly huge) risks to get him?
We should post all Mafia threads in off topic as protest until Evilore implements proper ISOing.
Isolating player posts. All the full posts listed as a thread.
It feels like we've been chasing especially weak leads so far.
I'm not that suspicious of Flame as some people are. He reminds me of "eager to play" Flame in Batman and his reply to the accusations of role fishing are very direct and seem fearless.
Do you still lean town with Darryl?
He's kind of null to me, but he has lacked bite and really only gone after inactive players. I don't disagree that Rats and Ultron are scummy, but they're also easy targets.
That's seems too risky for something that will most likely fail. Worthy's responses also seemed genuine to me and a weird backtrack for scum to make.
CrimsonFist
Member
If scum were looking for Danny, I'm not sure that they'd highlight their main candidate in the thread. That would be counterproductive as it could attract night actions.
On the other hand. There was really no reason to call out that idea at all.
But I'm all in favour of policy lynching the next person to mention/speculate about Danny Phantom.
On the other hand. There was really no reason to call out that idea at all.
But I'm all in favour of policy lynching the next person to mention/speculate about Danny Phantom.
CrimsonFist
Member
Yeah, I'd hardly call Flame an overly strong scum read, and I don't feel like pushing for him today. Although I don't think there's much of a bandwaggon there anyway, I think it's just me and Skyodin who have considered him.
Speaking of SkyOdin:
Vote: SkyOdin
Honestly, I've kind of been feeling bad about you since you made that comment about Darryl looking scummy for his RNG'd list:
I guess there's not much more than a gut read there right now. Reading through his other comments give me mixed feelings though. There's else that obviously stands out as scummy, but at the same time, there's nothing to shake off my initial doubt.
Speaking of SkyOdin:
Vote: SkyOdin
Honestly, I've kind of been feeling bad about you since you made that comment about Darryl looking scummy for his RNG'd list:
I guess there's not much more than a gut read there right now. Reading through his other comments give me mixed feelings though. There's else that obviously stands out as scummy, but at the same time, there's nothing to shake off my initial doubt.
Howdy. My obligations for this week have been nuts but end in 10 hours, and I'll be around for day end tomorrow. So in the interim I've just tried to keep people from stop hurting town or voice my opinion on the anti-town actions that have taken place (namely DP speculation or namedropping).
Who would I vote for if the timer ended in 5 minutes? StarSketch, for the reasons above.
More to come later. That said, melonrabbit only provided an introduction post, but she's new so per GAFIA convention unless she's blatantly scum there's an implied Day 1 pass.
StarSketch
Banned
Oh look interacting with TWE got me in trouble again
I'm usually 99% wrong about these things and I figured no one was going to take it seriously. Apparently, I was wrong.
StarSketch
Banned
That said though, why are you going for me instead of TWE?
I'm not sure what to say about this other than that list gave me bad flashbacks to the Batman mafia game, so it rubbed me the wrong way. In that game, I got really worked up believing that the list was genuine, but ended up falling for a silly gambit. Since that was my first Mafia experience, it left a strong impression. I am also not a big fan of RNG votes, since they lack the conviction to apply enough pressure to get someone to make mistakes.
Since we are bringing up Darryl though, some of his activity over the course of this game has been striking me as a little odd. At the start, he called for us to lynch a random target today, then made his list. Later on, he was the one who first made a big deal about TWE's joking role claim. Up to that point, most people seemed to ignore it or brush it off as a joke. Darryl however actively turned it into a "me vs him" scenario and put pressure on people to take sides. Finally, Darryl made that somewhat confusing No Lynch vote, claiming that he didn't have any leads. However, he had just earlier made a couple lists of possible scum, which included StarSketch, Ultron, El topo, Edge, and Rats Off to Ya.
So I have been finding his behavior to be contradictory and confusing. It feels like Darryl has been trying hard to instigate stuff, but he hasn't been turning those instigations into real leads to follow. As soon as The Worthy Edge showed up to defend himself, Darryl mostly backed off. He hasn't really put much pressure on any of his the candidates on his lynch list either.
So I'm gonna just throw out my top potential town/scum list since we are at that point near day 1 end
Potential scum:
Xamtheking - he was very agreeing with blarg right off the bat without his own reasoning and voted with blarg
TWE - the fact that he didn't realize the game started and Danny Phantom stuffs (However i'm just keeping my eyes on him for now. Hes at the low priority on my scum list)
Flame_AC - was completely on that hunt for Danny Phantom which made me extremely suspicious on its own (I'm assuming it might not be scum but neutral role to maybe find Danny...keeping my eye on him but at a low priority on scum list)
Potential town:
Darryl - surprising to say that hes been trying to root out people regardless of how little text he had to use to strain people out and pressuring them, which i commend him for but its still not enough with just Day 1, so I can understand his temporary vote.
Blargonaut - I really really hate to admit it but I feel blarg might just be playing as town and at the same time being crazy while giving enough reasoning to back up his claim.
NULL reads:
everyone except for certain people I would like to keep my eye on
Trigger - would like to hear more from you
Giant Panda - would like to hear a bit more from you on the current situation
Royal_Flush - I feel royal being more townish than I should think but after blarg's explanation of his freudian slip, I might just keep an eye out.
Potential scum:
Xamtheking - he was very agreeing with blarg right off the bat without his own reasoning and voted with blarg
TWE - the fact that he didn't realize the game started and Danny Phantom stuffs (However i'm just keeping my eyes on him for now. Hes at the low priority on my scum list)
Flame_AC - was completely on that hunt for Danny Phantom which made me extremely suspicious on its own (I'm assuming it might not be scum but neutral role to maybe find Danny...keeping my eye on him but at a low priority on scum list)
Potential town:
Darryl - surprising to say that hes been trying to root out people regardless of how little text he had to use to strain people out and pressuring them, which i commend him for but its still not enough with just Day 1, so I can understand his temporary vote.
Blargonaut - I really really hate to admit it but I feel blarg might just be playing as town and at the same time being crazy while giving enough reasoning to back up his claim.
NULL reads:
everyone except for certain people I would like to keep my eye on
Trigger - would like to hear more from you
Giant Panda - would like to hear a bit more from you on the current situation
Royal_Flush - I feel royal being more townish than I should think but after blarg's explanation of his freudian slip, I might just keep an eye out.
It wouldn't hurt for me to make a potential scum list either:
Suspects
Flame_AC: Suspected of Bandwagoning, role-fishing, and a lot of fluffy role-speculation.
Xamtheking: Suspected of two cases of blatant bandwagoning.
Giant Panda: Possible case of bandwagoning onto Xamtheking
StanleyPalmtree: Present, but posting nothing but idle fluff.
El topo: I find the overly defensive counter vote on Corn to be a little suspicious.
I was going to list gryvan here, because most of his activity in this game has been stalking Blarg and waiting for him to show up, but posting a decent reads list is at least something, so I'll give him a pass for now.
Suspects
Flame_AC: Suspected of Bandwagoning, role-fishing, and a lot of fluffy role-speculation.
Xamtheking: Suspected of two cases of blatant bandwagoning.
Giant Panda: Possible case of bandwagoning onto Xamtheking
StanleyPalmtree: Present, but posting nothing but idle fluff.
El topo: I find the overly defensive counter vote on Corn to be a little suspicious.
I was going to list gryvan here, because most of his activity in this game has been stalking Blarg and waiting for him to show up, but posting a decent reads list is at least something, so I'll give him a pass for now.
CornBurrito
Member
I actually think Ultron might be scum. Partially for what he's done this game, and partially for how his behavior differs from Werewolf mafia.
Can you elaborate on that?
CornBurrito
Member
Yeah. In Werewolf he claimed Sleepwalker D1.
Here he hasn't claimed anything.
Now I don't want him to claim, but it was a notable difference in early game behavior.
Granted Sleepwalker can be negative utility so that might explain it.
CrimsonFist
Member
It's Xam not claiming day 2 that's the real #scumtell
(this isn't an invitation to claim on day 2 Xam)
(this isn't an invitation to claim on day 2 Xam)
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Wasn't claiming early a bad thing though and maybe something that he doesn't want to do again?
Obviously I'm not one to tell because...well I don't learn from mistakes very easily lol
CornBurrito
Member
Yes it was a bad idea. So Ultron likely learned.
It isn't a real reason to lynch him to be honest.
CrimsonFist
Member
Sky, you make that case against Darryl, but then you don't put him on your scum list? Is that case not enough for you to find him scummy then?
Ultron: Don't feel like he's had much presence yet. Voting TWE for "role fishing", I disagree with that making TWE look overly scummy, might be scum trying to push a lynch on bad logic, or might just be town I disagree with.
Ultron: Don't feel like he's had much presence yet. Voting TWE for "role fishing", I disagree with that making TWE look overly scummy, might be scum trying to push a lynch on bad logic, or might just be town I disagree with.
Giant Panda
Member
I started making my post to vote Xam before the first vote on Xam, I was just slow to post. I wasn't trying to bandwagon unnecessarily.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
"You claimed a particular role early in a previous game. You haven't in this one. Obvious scum move."
Please don't make me explain why this reasoning is complete nonsense.
Please don't make me explain why this reasoning is complete nonsense.
CornBurrito
Member
It is Blarg. That role claim being true is 50/50.
Royal_Flush
Member
I'm kind of busy playing Mirror's Edge, sorry (My first Day 1 since Skyrim, lol)
At least enough that I don't want him lynched today. The No Lynch doesn't seem like something Scum-Darryl would do...
CornBurrito
Member
How is that game btw?
This makes no sense. Could you explain yourself a bit? I proposed that we explain ourselves to the other participants, because the more open we are about our motives and thoughts, the more difficult it becomes for scum to bullshit us. As a response, Corn claimed that he got "funny vibes" from me (#107) and that I was "trying to lead...without actually leading" (#109), nonsense Corn stepped away from. After I gave an explanation of myself, he then took the obvious joke questions to mock my approach. Please elaborate how voting for Corn and asking for an explanation, which I have since gotten (#165), is "overly defensive", especially given that I explained myself before all that and said that I wanted to play more aggressively this time.
While we're at it, explain yourself regarding other things as well. You earlier claimed that you would consider all of us potential scum ("I consider all of you potential scum",#113), then pointed out that Darryl was behaving in an odd manner (#423) before giving a list of potential scum that (of course) was very limited and did not have Darryl on it (#425).
I'm having a lot of instances where I type out really long posts and delete them all. I've now been in the new message window for 2 hours. My last post, which was the No Vote, also took me 2 hours.
I wanted to go after activity in my last post because there isn't enough material to be confident in anyone, but I guess there's enough people at the low activity level to believe that scum would lead that lynch. At the same time, I'm really against lynching people who I think will have higher activity later on.
And between allowing space for new players, room for people who I don't know very well, and allowances for people who I do know that I think will correct their substance abuse problem in time - I have come up with no good lynch candidates at the moment. I am posting erratically but there's a method to this tale of madness. I don't want to put too much on the table.
I wanted to go after activity in my last post because there isn't enough material to be confident in anyone, but I guess there's enough people at the low activity level to believe that scum would lead that lynch. At the same time, I'm really against lynching people who I think will have higher activity later on.
And between allowing space for new players, room for people who I don't know very well, and allowances for people who I do know that I think will correct their substance abuse problem in time - I have come up with no good lynch candidates at the moment. I am posting erratically but there's a method to this tale of madness. I don't want to put too much on the table.
CornBurrito
Member
Vote: Darryl
Do you have any specific in mind you think will be more active later in the game?
I agree we shouldn't lynch an inactive today, but I want them to speak up. Doesn't help that there were very low activity scum in the last two games I played that were never really pressured.
We have less than 18 hours left and melonrabbit still hasn't posted anything of substance.
VOTE: melonrabbit
I don't know if you've played mafia before, but it is important everybody post some thoughts. If you're too busy to play contact Terra for a replacement.
OceanicAir
Member
Really sorry about the silence.
So I've been reading through the thread I just want to quickly state my thoughts on old stuff. Didn't care for the talk around TWE but I don't think that was particularly scummy since I don't think mafia would push for a lynch that early. Blarg's push on royal seems misguided to me, again not particularly scummy but Blarg is definitely one of the more interesting players so I can't get too much of a read yet. But asking him to be straight forward is an impossible task so I'll have to come to a decision soon enough on him.
Nobody is especially scummy yet but there is about half people I'm keeping tabs on right now (Xam primarily, among others), but I'm not too bothered by Darryl or Blarg yet which surprises me to be honest. Not solidified as of yet but would vote Xam as of right now but it is by no means confirmed, probably will come to a lock into a vote an hour at most before the end of the day though.
So I've been reading through the thread I just want to quickly state my thoughts on old stuff. Didn't care for the talk around TWE but I don't think that was particularly scummy since I don't think mafia would push for a lynch that early. Blarg's push on royal seems misguided to me, again not particularly scummy but Blarg is definitely one of the more interesting players so I can't get too much of a read yet. But asking him to be straight forward is an impossible task so I'll have to come to a decision soon enough on him.
Nobody is especially scummy yet but there is about half people I'm keeping tabs on right now (Xam primarily, among others), but I'm not too bothered by Darryl or Blarg yet which surprises me to be honest. Not solidified as of yet but would vote Xam as of right now but it is by no means confirmed, probably will come to a lock into a vote an hour at most before the end of the day though.
OceanicAir
Member
Also, my reasoning for voting Xam is the fact he was on both TWE and RF rather bandwagon-like, especially RF where his vote still lies if I'm using the voting tool correctly.
why?
CornBurrito
Member
I think every game I've played with you thus far you've been town. And in those games you've been really aggressive.
I don't really think you're the type of player to change gears so completely. The most obvious explanation for a play-style shift? Shift in alignment.
Okay, I am willing to accept that your posts were made at around the same time.
Because your vote gives me the vibe of an OMGUS vote. Defending yourself is one thing, but counter-voting someone just because they are pressuring you gives me the impression that you are on edge. A townie knows that they are innocent, which gives them the confidence to defend themselves. A scum has to lie, which makes them more prone to losing their cool. At least that is a theory I am exploring.
I also found the survey to be more of a distraction than a real scum-hunting tool so far. There are a few people who have answered the survey, but haven't contributed much so far. I fear that it, intentionally or not, has served as a way for scum to act like they are contributing without having to actually do so. If the survey turns up useful information, I will of course change my mind.
Let me explain both my thoughts on Darryl and my current approach to the other players in general in a bit more detail. Early on, I did say that I was going to see everyone as potential scum. However, it would be more accurate to say that I am not going to write off anyone in this game as town. In the subgame I played in the last season, I ended up losing the game for town because I decided to accept Flame_AC as 100% town. By sticking to that logic of mine, I created a blindspot for him to hide in, since he was actually scum. For this game, I have decided to not let myself fully trust anyone like that. So, I don't plan on accepting people as town, even if they are the types who mostly agree with my readings of people.
Now, as for Darryl in particular, I find his activity to be suspicious, but not yet clearly scum. I feel like he is clearly executing a strategy, but I just can't yet grasp the motivations of it. I can imagine him being either town or scum with equal possibility. Either way, I think I will wait until another day to make any more of a fuss about him. In the mean time, I will be keeping an eye on him.
Speaking of my scum list, I actually forgot someone major: Blargonaut. Blarg has so far both voted for someone as scum under possibly tenuous circumstances and roleclaimed. While he does seem to be actively scum-hunting, these are enough to put him on my suspicion list. I also still don't know what he voted for Edge right after quoting my calling out of Flame for joining the Edge bandwagon. Once you get past Blarg's way of talking, most of his actions have been stuff that normally raises my suspicions on Day 1.
CornBurrito
Member
I feel kind of bad because my reasoning is almost entirely meta reasoning for you, but I don't think I'm wrong here.