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Xbox One S: 40% smaller, 2TB, 4K for movies/tv, internal PSU, $300

c0de

Member
Are you sure? I wouldn't be surprised because HDR would require a boost to the ESRAM since you would have a bigger framebuffer size. The XB1 design had a real issue with even the standard 255 range with some games having considerable black crush. The internals must be different in some way to support real HDR like more ESRAM or different kind of memory so you are probably right.

I think they are using the media coded functions in the ARM rather than using the "game mode hardware". This is happening in the "other" os and not the game os.
 

Daft Punk

Banned
So is the 2TB console referenced in this pic referring the S? $449 seems mighty steep to me.

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Are you sure? I wouldn't be surprised because HDR would require a boost to the ESRAM since you would have a bigger framebuffer size. The XB1 design had a real issue with even the standard 255 range with some games having considerable black crush. The internals must be different in some way to support real HDR like more ESRAM or different kind of memory so you are probably right.

Games have to create the image in real time, a video doesn't. Plus the XB1 APU is much better hardware than what you find in a regular 4K TV / disc player

Besides, maybe they have increased the specs a bit for multimedia purposes only.
 

xrnzaaas

Member
I'm just waiting for the current model to receive a price drop (preferably a big one combined with the Black Friday deals :)) so that I can finally play Forza Horizon 2 and FM6. :)
 
That's my feelings too, ms want to stimulate Xbox sales, bringing out a slimmer but at its core the same machine for more money just doesn't make sense.

It actually needs to be less than that, in my opinion. The slim needs to be better than the vanilla PS4 and significantly cheaper at the same time, to get people to buy. Now, it can;t beat the PS4 in brute TFP terms, but a bigger memory and 4k will be advantages. i can see a chunk PS4 owners sinking into a xbone slim as a 2nd console rather than simply going for a Neo that only plays the same games they can already play, but a bit better.

That said, the slim would need to be cheaper than the rumoured price.
 

kraspkibble

Permabanned.
wasn't sure of the design at first but have to admit i think i like it better than the PS4. shame i can't justify buying it though. maybe if Microsoft announce some cool exclusives during E3 i'll pick one up.
 
For those that are more technical than me, can anyone provide any context to this post?

It is taken from another topic discussing that the PS4 and Xbox One (current versions) are both 'capable' of outputting in 4K.

My questions is: Can the HDR and 4K output be updated on the existing box? Or does it need a Hardware upgrade to have the same as what this 'new' box brings to the table?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=205920536&postcount=143

PS4 and XB1 are UHD Capable
Launch (2013) consoles are UHD Capable and will be firmware updated (ARM TEE for PS4 in Southbridge and XB1 in the APU)
BDXL drives with 2010 specs can read UHD disks, BD-ROM Blu-ray drives are firmware updateable to read UHD Disks. (AACS 2 and BD+ still needed and they run in the TEE along with the Player and HEVC profile 10 codec).
 

c0de

Member
For those that are more technical than me, can anyone provide any context to this post?

It is taken from another topic discussing that the PS4 and Xbox One (current versions) are both 'capable' of outputting in 4K.

My questions is: Can the HDR and 4K output be updated on the existing box? Or does it need a Hardware upgrade to have the same as what this 'new' box brings to the table?

Nobody can provide context to what Jeff posts.
 

FyreWulff

Member
For those that are more technical than me, can anyone provide any context to this post?

It is taken from another topic discussing that the PS4 and Xbox One (current versions) are both 'capable' of outputting in 4K.

My questions is: Can the HDR and 4K output be updated on the existing box? Or does it need a Hardware upgrade to have the same as what this 'new' box brings to the table?

They are capable of outputting 4K, but only up to 30fps due to bandwidth limitations. The only way to output 4K 60fps is to have HDMI2 which is a physical new port.
 

Caayn

Member
Are you sure? I wouldn't be surprised because HDR would require a boost to the ESRAM since you would have a bigger framebuffer size. The XB1 design had a real issue with even the standard 255 range with some games having considerable black crush. The internals must be different in some way to support real HDR like more ESRAM or different kind of memory so you are probably right.
The black crush when using the full RGB range comes from a incorrect gamma curve. Both 16-235 and 0-255 range use 8 bits per colour.

I don't have sufficient knowledge of graphical processing to explain how the 10 bits per colour for HDR will be handled in the framebuffer -> output.
 

Tntnico

Member
But we already had so many posts saying how ridiculous it is that the "S" version is not slim and still bigger than the premium technical masterpiece the PS4 is. :(

That "technical masterpiece" makes the noise of a vacuum cleaner, unlike the Xbox One I can't fit it inside my TV stand because of heat. I really hope that silence is still a priority for Xbox One S and Scorpio
 

c0de

Member
That "technical masterpiece" makes the noise of a vacuum cleaner, unlike the Xbox One I can't fit it inside my TV stand because of heat. I really hope that silence is still a priority for Xbox One S and Scorpio

According to this thread, several people have a completely silent PS4, even with dust, and present there systems as representative. If it is loud, just clean your PS4 and everything is fine. PS4 is fine. And a beast. And silent.

See?
My "technical masterpiece" doesn't sound like a vacuum cleaner and has no problem with heat. Maybe you just have a defective unit.
 

nullpoynter

Member
That "technical masterpiece" makes the noise of a vacuum cleaner, unlike the Xbox One I can't fit it inside my TV stand because of heat. I really hope that silence is still a priority for Xbox One S and Scorpio
My "technical masterpiece" doesn't sound like a vacuum cleaner and has no problem with heat. Maybe you just have a defective unit.
 
I would guess that price will start at $299 for a 500GB console, and $399 or so for the 2tb version.

They would probably sell the base model at a loss, and make a profit off of the version with a bigger HD.
 
According to this thread, several people have a completely silent PS4, even with dust, and present there systems as representative. If it is loud, just clean your PS4 and everything is fine. PS4 is fine. And a beast. And silent.

See?

Reminds me of "Maybe your sharing chip is broken" when video recording was broken for over a year.
 

kraspkibble

Permabanned.
That "technical masterpiece" makes the noise of a vacuum cleaner, unlike the Xbox One I can't fit it inside my TV stand because of heat. I really hope that silence is still a priority for Xbox One S and Scorpio

i think you're going a bit too far there. no way does it sound like a vacuum cleaner. the xbox one is quieter than the PS4 for sure but i wouldn't say the PS4 is loud. if your PS4 is really loud then you need to clean it out or get it replaced. i can't stand to use my PS3/360 anymore because of the noise they make. the ps4 in comparison is super quiet.
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
But we already had so many posts saying how ridiculous it is that the "S" version is not slim and still bigger than the premium technical masterpiece the PS4 is. :(

According to this thread, several people have a completely silent PS4, even with dust, and present there systems as representative. If it is loud, just clean your PS4 and everything is fine. PS4 is fine. And a beast. And silent.

Christ you're on edge today. If you have actual signs that point to widespread issues with loud PS4's then go right ahead and share them.

There's hyperbole flying around on both sides, let's fucking cut it out. There's plenty of dB comparisons out there and while the XB1 is definitely quieter, it's really a non-issue for the most part.
 
i think you're going a bit too far there. no way does it sound like a vacuum cleaner. the xbox one is quieter than the PS4 for sure but i wouldn't say the PS4 is loud. if your PS4 is really loud then you need to clean it out or get it replaced. i can't stand to use my PS3/360 anymore because of the noise they make. the ps4 in comparison is super quiet.
Yeah it's like people forget how much quieter both consoles are than last gen. My PS4 is not silent under load, but it's certainly not a vacuum cleaner. No way near.
 

c0de

Member
Christ you're on edge today. If you have actual signs that point to widespread issues with loud PS4's then go right ahead and share them.

There's hyperbole flying around on both sides, let's fucking cut it out. There's plenty of dB comparisons out there and while the XB1 is definitely quieter, it's really a non-issue for the most part.

"If you have actual signs that point to non widespread issues with loud PS4's then go right ahead and share them."

The thing is, we don't know. So there is no need to assume it's not widespread as it is not safe to assume it is widespread. Also I am only paraphrasing users, why are you even bothered?
 
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