Optimization isn't going to magically make up a 3TFLOP difference. (even a 1080 struggles to keep 4K/60 on some titles)
I'm all for the Scorpio and will be buying one of course. But if you think games will be 4K/60 you are on some powerful drugs.
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Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017
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Optimization isn't going to magically make up a 3TFLOP difference. (even a 1080 struggles to keep 4K/60 on some titles)
I'm all for the Scorpio and will be buying one of course. But if you think games will be 4K/60 you are on some powerful drugs.
I'm glad I'm not alone with this doubt.
Its gonna interesting to see though what they do. Or if this thing (and Neo) even sells all that well enough for most developers to really give a damn.
Saintruski
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Just curious,
at this moment in time does sony think hard and consider what will move more units, a more powerful console than its current NEO and scorpio, or a less powerful than Scorpio/NEO with a probably pretty pricey headset and hope VR really takes off from this stagnate state its in and with Rift locking its own system down?
Redesign the Neo, re brand relaunch the headset if needed, or just push the date?
Push forward and hope VR takes off?
Could use 2k upscaled.
Honestly I think some games should use what Halo 5 did, lock the framerate and allow the resolution to dynamically change.
You're talking about maxed out games on PC. I'm talking about games built for 4k on a console, that means that not everything is going to be maxed out.
ninjablade
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Yes I'm at 60 frames per second depending on the CPU
A Titan X comfortably runs Forza 6 Apex maxed at 4k/60 iirc. No reason a custom SOC should have issues with theoretically similar performance.
There's nothing crazy about entertaining the idea that 4k/60 is possible for some games on 6TF hardware.
Not unless it has been made to allow it (or patched?)
Sony has no reason to delay their platform.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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LlamaJohnson
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I cannot understand the general disdain for this. Some people are so concerned for MS and their business strategies.
To me it's simple.
You want an Xbox? You can buy the One S. It plays all the games we make, and they look pretty good.
You want an Xbox that takes advantage of your 4K TV and your VR? Here's the Scorpio. It costs more, but hey, if you own a 4K TV and a VR device, you already are invested in the technology. This is right up your alley.
Don't want to play on the couch? You'd rather play with a KB/M on your monitor at a desk? Here's a nice shiny new PC for you.
They. All. Play. The. Same. Games.
Choices are a good thing people. If YOU don't want to spend money on the Scorpio (I am!), then you don't have to. Scorpio owners aren't getting any exclusive games that we know of. Not everybody wants to deal with a PC (I don't!) MS wants as many Xbox/Windows games in as many houses as possible. This is their strategy. I think it's a good one.
To me it's simple.
You want an Xbox? You can buy the One S. It plays all the games we make, and they look pretty good.
You want an Xbox that takes advantage of your 4K TV and your VR? Here's the Scorpio. It costs more, but hey, if you own a 4K TV and a VR device, you already are invested in the technology. This is right up your alley.
Don't want to play on the couch? You'd rather play with a KB/M on your monitor at a desk? Here's a nice shiny new PC for you.
They. All. Play. The. Same. Games.
Choices are a good thing people. If YOU don't want to spend money on the Scorpio (I am!), then you don't have to. Scorpio owners aren't getting any exclusive games that we know of. Not everybody wants to deal with a PC (I don't!) MS wants as many Xbox/Windows games in as many houses as possible. This is their strategy. I think it's a good one.
DragonKnight
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You almost seem happy about this for some strange reason. Hope im wrong though.
That said, scorpio will be the lead as most hardware development starts on crazy powerful PCs anyway and then get scaled down for consoles.
While I have no interest in a Micro machine, they fucking brought it. Really hoping Sony takes the L and beefs up Neo.
Nintendo...as much as I love them and want the NX, sadly I cant eve. see them even putting out a 2TFLOP machine. Goddamn it. I want them to stick around.
Saintruski
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Not saying they do, just a hypothetical that some are talking about, personally as a owner of two rifts i would hope they dont and get VR moving. Oculus is ruining it...
've been saying the exact thing, that most games would still be 1080p/60fps or VR/90fps with a select few that might be "4K" native which have either the graphics scaled back or have a dynamic resolution in play.
If you expect dev's to go all out with NEO/Scorpio it's inevitable. Effort requires someone pay those devs for that effort which needs a install base to justify that money. Like PC games you'll get the base game of the market leader plus some easy extras like more AA, higher rez and FPS. Maybe better textures. But it's not going to be that profound of a difference because there just isn't the money to justify the efforts.
Here are some average 4k framerate numbers from the GTX 1080, a 9TFLOP card:
Crysis 3: 39,8
Tomb Raider: 43,2
Witcher 3: 44,1
Metro Last Light: 52,7
Hitman: 46
Source
But hey, set yourself up for a disappointment.
shadowfall
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Your game Sony. One of the plus factor for PS4 was being more powerful than Xbox One. I really doubt Sony would like to lose out on that advantage.
Chittagong
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Day one. If it really is that much more powerful than PS4 Neo, I'll be returning to camp Xbox.
Super surprised they actually announced it. I wonder whether that board pic was just a bullshot tho..?
Super surprised they actually announced it. I wonder whether that board pic was just a bullshot tho..?
ShooterMcGavin
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JayBabay
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Sony absolutely should delay their console if it means it will be more powerful. I'm in no rush if it means the wait bring exceptionally better performance. I'm not saying I would wait indefinitely but they know that their fans like having the ports that perform closer to the PC standard.
Saintruski
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cyberheater
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How does it run Forza 6 apex?
Dangansona
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It is crazy how all the journos are so pleased with the Scorpio reveal. It is almost like it would have been better if we didn't spend months speculating and acting like everything is over when we hadn't heard the official pitches from the companies.
Long Division
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It's from experience.
sony's plans are probably pretty firm. They'd have to delay it if they intend to get higher specs. A extra year out is a lot when it comes to this tech.
cyen
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My personal experience, 5k 60fps.
There is a middle ground between negativity and delusions: reality. That's where I'm at.
barneystuta83
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Oh lord, I just realised.
I need to buy a 4K TV for next year
Since we don't know who you are responding to, people saying it might be difficult getting 4K/60fps are not being negative, they are being realistic.
DragonKnight
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Is Sony on a financial position to put out a console that meets or surpasses Scorpio? Microsoft has to be eating a loss here, no?
And those 9 Nvidia TF's are worth about 13 AMD TF's so would be even lower
And Forza runs at 1080/60 on a 1.3tflop. Why can't it run 4k/60 on a 6TF?
The people you're quoting specifically said Forza.. I don't know why you're bringing up all those games.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Well, optimisation in this case means tweaking settings down to remove the bottleneck, rather than code2metal sorcery, 4k 60 is possible just unlikely. They would probably need to sacrifice too much fidelity to get there given they will also expect graphical bumps other than resolution.
I'm with you man. This Black Friday. It's time. I'm gonna be a little sad. My Sony Bravia has been so good to me since 2008.
So current high end graphics card (GTX 1080) have around 9 teraflops right now.
The midrange one (gtx 1070) has about 6.5 teraflops
considering the Scorpio will be released in a bit less then 1 and a half year from now, 6 tera flops don't seem that impressive at first glance.
By that time nvidia will have their TI versions and stuff like that out, going beyond 10 teraflops.
the 360 has 0.23 tera flops, the xb one, 1.3 teraflops.
That means the upgrade from the 360 to the one was bigger then the one to the scorpio
Why are people loosing their shit?
The midrange one (gtx 1070) has about 6.5 teraflops
considering the Scorpio will be released in a bit less then 1 and a half year from now, 6 tera flops don't seem that impressive at first glance.
By that time nvidia will have their TI versions and stuff like that out, going beyond 10 teraflops.
the 360 has 0.23 tera flops, the xb one, 1.3 teraflops.
That means the upgrade from the 360 to the one was bigger then the one to the scorpio
Why are people loosing their shit?
Freeman
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4K gaming on consoles just doesn't sound realistic, they should be cautious promotion this sort of thing (unless they are going to pull of the old displayed at 4k).
Its a lack of perspective\ heat of the moment thing. At the end of 2017 things will look much different.
Its a lack of perspective\ heat of the moment thing. At the end of 2017 things will look much different.
Milly Osworth
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Wouldn't it be super easy for Sony now to come out with *drumroll* 6.1 TERAFLOPS!!!!!
chromatic9
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You can run Forza Apex at 3840x2160 at 60fps with settings higher than Xbox One on a stock GTX 970.
Also just to note to people out there, AMD 6tflops at this point is roughly what the 290X and 390X have, which is 5.6-5.9 tflops. These GPUs are from 2014 and 2015.
290X and 390X sit around the GTX 980 in performance and close to the GTX 970. Please stop quoting Titan X and 980ti/1070/1080 and comparing them to AMD GPU. When you go looking for numbers for your AMD based machine please go look at AMD GPUs. Nvidia tflop rating for 980/970 is around 4-4.5. Unless AMD change their rating and architecture this will remain.
For AMD to get close to the Titan X/980ti/1070 they released the Fury X which is 8.6 tflops.
Anyway, 390X/980 perf is shifting to mid range this year. Still Xbox Scorpio is very powerful. Xbox One launched with an already old sub entry level gaming GPU spec. 390x/980 perf is still very very good and should be great for a while.
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Well that's nice to know but what does that have to do with this console?
Sure buddy, just be disingenuous about how console gaming development is different from PC gaming development.
You're comparing games not built for specific hardware running on max settings to a game built for the hardware.
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