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Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017
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Vulkan says hi, guess what, PC uses that too
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All very well to say they all play the same games....how exactly does that happen...
Console sw has always exceeded the perceived performance capabilities of the hardware due to the closed box, or fixed hardware spec, in which these games that take upwards of three years to create.....under this Scorpio model....you basically have the PC sw situation. And if that was a good thing...then why hasn't PC gaming dominated console's till now? Console model has proven to be successful,in the face of naysayers for years now.
All very well to say they all play the same games....how exactly does that happen...
Console sw has always exceeded the perceived performance capabilities of the hardware due to the closed box, or fixed hardware spec, in which these games that take upwards of three years to create.....under this Scorpio model....you basically have the PC sw situation. And if that was a good thing...then why hasn't PC gaming dominated console's till now? Console model has proven to be successful,in the face of naysayers for years now.
BigSoftieFF
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After the last two gens, they will need to prove this.
We'll see how the market reacts. I for one see it as a mistake on both Sony and MS part.
At least 23 more flopperoonies right there.
WarMacheen
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Will probably pick up an Xbone S, but the scorpio... not to sure. The consoles can't even do 1080p 60fps consistently. Maybe shooting for 4k will allow them to do that finally, even though I seriously doubt 4k will be the standard, more like the exception.
4k/60FPS at the equivalent to PC ultra settings is absolutely impossible on consoles right now at their target price points. Even the GTX 1080 isn't doing that yet.
4k/30FPS at the equivalent of low/medium PC settings.. they could maybe pull that off.
Outrun
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I am just curious how some are going to simultaneously bash the Scorpio, while elevating the Neo, and vice versa, especially concerning the death of defined console generations...
Hmmm... what are the 1080p framerates for these games on XB1 (or whatever res they're running at)? Because Forza is already a 60fps locked game at 1080p on the Xbox One, so I'm not sure what sort of picture the chosen games are supposed to paint in comparison.
Just because you use Vulkan doesn't automatically make a game as optimized for any hardware offered on PC as a game built directly for a set of hardware on console.
Vulkan isn't just some miracle API that gets rid of the advantage of hardware optimization.
Killer Queen
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Not gonna happen period.
Hari Seldon
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I don't know why people are getting flustered over this lol. As a soon to be 1080 owner this is awesome because we are going to have more games taking full advantage of the hardware. Anytime the console makers push tech forward it is good for pc gamers. That is why I was disappointed in the ps4 and Xbox one when they launched. Barely hitting 1080p was simply weak.
Me. Already preordered the S. You can always sell it or trade it in for the Scorpio.
Can't we bash the direction of both?
Vulkan is an API, not hardware
Oops... fixed.
Why bash them at all.
With forward compatibility it alleviates the argument of rapid generations.
ScherzoPrime
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OdysseusVA
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it was a joke post
on a serious note, you also have to think about how console games sacrifice some things like aa, shadows, texture filtering, etc. that help with performance. i dont see that changing with scorpio.
Shpeshal Nick
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Um...maths?
0.2 to 1.3 = 1.1TF difference
1.3 to 6 - 4.7TF difference.
You need to re-learn maths dude.
Proelite
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Probably been posted:
Vega or highly OCed polaris?
Mostly likely Polaris because of GDDR5x. Vega's defining feature is supposed to be HBM2.
Mr. Giggles
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FairXchange
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If the CPU is still massively under powered, it'd be a shame.
They specifically said real 4k gaming without sacrifices.
The reason is was a 5-6 year cycle was because it gave the customers a chance to buy in when they felt the price was right and get a decent period of use out of the machines. It's from consumer expectations. Shortening it has not worked out in the past and it's been attempted (Sega). I may be wrong on this but they are undermining one of the reasons to still own a console.
dr_rus
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Radeon 390X is 5.9TFlops so yeah, 6TF GCN chip would be somewhere between 970 and 980.
Proelite
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Maybe you should
Xbox 12. Upgrade from 150 teraflops to 160 teraflops.
Holy shit biggest upgrade evar.
1.3 / .2 > 6 times.
6 / 1.3 < 5 times.
That would be me.
Bobnob
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what scorpio game on x1? Doubt it!
Pathfinder
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People who want to play games probably.
chromatic9
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Scaling is off buddy, hate to tell you.
So no then, got it.
OdysseusVA
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what games do this now? why would you expect that to change?
Scorpio games could be downgraded to run on Xbox One.
GarthVaderUK
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Malcolm9
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I can see you lasting long on here.
I think everyone and his dog knows the PS3 is complicated to emulate, hence the reason we have PS Now. I'm pretty sure when the next Playstation is released, you'll be able to play PS4 games as well.
You might want to try out Forza Apex before making that kind of claim.
They are definitely not forcing "Scorpio settings".
Bobnob
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If it's mandatory I defo won't be getting a scorpio
Theres been a few PC releases the past year that got shafted by locking framerates to console versions, or usual PC graphic features missing completely like with Batman.
We'll see. The concept is not new. 'forward compatibility' did nothing in the Atari era and actively hurt their business. Ditto with the TG16 upgraded variants a couple decades later. 3DO had a lot of other problems but they too had base spec improvements. ngage tried to take the phone model to the game market with a lot of other bad decisions clouding what you could take away from that. PSP had base spec upgrades but held it back for a while and the 3DS base spec upgrade is a minor success.
shadowfall
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I agree. It is what it is. If MS ends up with better box, so be it. I would rather see a stable sony than a Sony hanging by a thread due to wrong investments.
I don't know why people don't think they'll be able to put out games at 4K.
You have all the indie games, and the big first party games can run at 4K/30FPS.
They never said it HAD to be 4K/60.
Also, I don't get the 1080 comparisons. Aren't Nvidia and AMD TFlops completely different?
You have all the indie games, and the big first party games can run at 4K/30FPS.
They never said it HAD to be 4K/60.
Also, I don't get the 1080 comparisons. Aren't Nvidia and AMD TFlops completely different?
Piku_Ringo
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the mass market buys consoles based on the games they want to play not which has 2 more tflops and "highest quality pixels".
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