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Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

Did you vote for the side that is going to win?


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If the pro-leave posts in this thread have shown me anything. It's that basically they wanted to give a giant finger to everyone and all other consequences be damned? Is that the deal here or what? Because ignoring the immediate aftermath seems kind of fucked up right now.

I'm over here on the other side of the world watching market futures nervously because 1 million people wanted to say fuck you to David Cameron and some other politicians? Really?!
 

Trumpets

Member
Moosichu said:
The rest of the list we've told to fuck themselves :
The NHS
Scientists
People with Jobs
The Environment
Universities
The Film industry

Yes, it's a shame we won't have those things any more (especially the environment as I was quite fond of it), but you can't argue with democracy.
 

HariKari

Member
The leave people on the BBC are pissing me off, blah blah blah just talking a load of shit, you've fucked us all over. A period of reflection? Reflect my ass.

Leave skewed heavily towards older people and the uneducated.

Could see something similar happen in the US election.
 

Sianos

Member
You forgot that they told the UK economy to go fuck itself too.
Just another reminder that being "Anti-establishment" devoid of any thought about what exactly that would entail is just a semantic handle for an empty concept.

But actually working to understand and change systems to accomplish tangible progress is hard, so let's just burn it all down and then uhhhhhhhhhhhh... Profit!!!
 

-duskdoll-

Member
Well everyone's watching now, depending on the outcome of this in the following year(s) we might see more countries wanting to leave.
 

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The Autumn Wind
I don't see much pushback against a second referendum tbh. There will be no "vow" this time, but I do think it will be an interesting debate for the Scots: be a big cog in an independent UK or be a small dog in the EU.
Funny thing about cogs: they don't work without other cogs, no matter how big they are.
 

Putzweg

Member
Actually no
If the EU is still alive the trade agreements will benefit them, they have no reason to offer EU deals since that is the entire incentive to remain at the EU and offering the same deals to someone outside would make being in the trade block pointless

If you can assure that UK only leaves the EU on paper by replacing the UK membership with treaties (EEA and EFTA etc) I see no reason why Brussels wouldn't mind.

The thought that EU would somehow try to nail UK as a punishment/warning example is alien. That would just push UK even further away from the EU, something Brussels would want to avoid. Cooler heads will prevail and I mean even now UK has tons of exceptions from the EU, a sign of flexibility rather than formalities.
 
Well, it's been a fascinating night/morning.

Voted to Remain myself but the people have spoken.

It's going to be interesting to see how it all plays out.
 
All we've had so far is a few drive-bys gloating. I don't think any of them are interested in explaining why the currency is tanking and why a bunch of companies are announcing that they're leaving, much less explaining how those are good things.

Short term speculative betting in the markets.... Wonder why that's happening?

Oh yeah, those who bet the right way are currently coining it in.
 

ElTorro

I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
If the pro-leave posts in this thread have shown me anything. It's that basically they wanted to give a giant finger to everyone and all other consequences be damned? Is that the deal here or what?!

Populist politics 101.
 

Flintty

Member
I understand you are angry and it sucks, you see this after every election, this will probably be more so, your mindset now should veer more towards

a) What more you could have done and how can you apply that in the future
b) What comes next and how to negotiate it as best as you can

You cant get angry at people for exercising their democratic process, you can be angry at the leaders, the people who misled them (if you feel they have been misled).

I like you, Mr Cola. Great post. Too many Gaffers shitting on voters for not voting their way. Gaf has been leaving a bad taste in the mouth all night.
 

Matush

Member
If the pro-leave posts in this thread have shown me anything. It's that basically they wanted to give a giant finger to everyone and all other consequences be damned? Is that the deal here or what? Because ignoring the immediate aftermath seems kind of fucked up right now.

I'm over here on the other side of the world watching market futures nervously because 1 million people wanted to say fuck you to David Cameron and some other politicians? Really?!
Democracy at it's finest. I'm sad.
 
If the pro-leave posts in this thread have shown me anything. It's that basically they wanted to give a giant finger to everyone and all other consequences be damned? Is that the deal here or what? Because ignoring the immediate aftermath seems kind of fucked up right now.

I'm over here on the other side of the world watching market futures nervously because 1 million people wanted to say fuck you to David Cameron and some other politicians? Really?!
This is why "anti-Establishment" is so idiotic.
 

NeOak

Member
Just another reminder that being "Anti-establishment" devoid of any thought about what exactly that would entail is just a semantic handle for an empty concept.

But actually working to understand and change systems to accomplish tangible progress is hard, so let's just burn it all down and then uhhhhhhhhhhhh... Profit!!!

Yup, that is why they voted Leave. See:

At least those filthy foreigners will now stay out of the country, amirite?

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Let's just burn it all down cuz IMMIGRATION.

And:

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Alx

Member
My French is rusty but I assume there are calling for the French to choose to leave the EU as well?

Yes, asking for a French referendum to "import democracy". Expected, and she actually has a point, that was what everybody feared about the Brexit, it will push all Eurosceptics to ride the wave.
Unfortunately it means most EU leaders will try to make UK's life as miserable as possible to show everybody what a bad idea it is to leave the Union. Sorry guys, nothing personal. :/
 
Hillary is a shoo in if voters come out to vote and they will because the people who hate Trump really hate him. I mean do these violent protests tell you nothing about the way people feel about Trump and his supporters?

The people at the Trump protests are the least reliable voting group. The youth will continue to make a ton of noise but not come out to the polls. There is a lot of hate for Hillary but her haters don't come out and try and block access to events for her supporters.
 
You do realize this is because of the initial shock because no one really expected that result. It will obviously bounce back (not 100% also obvious).

It will bounce back at some point, but this will take some time. I don't believe my portfolio is in the black again next week, counting today as "day zero".
 

Cromwell

Banned
No, it's just that most of us know we're not going to convince you, and also know you'll not change our minds, so it's kind of a waste of time.

Just proving my point. You don't actually have a rational position to back up what's currently happening to the GDP, justifying the countless people even on this very forum who's lives have gotten fucked over from this, justifying Scotland and likely Northern Ireland breaking off from the U.K., and the countless other catastrophic events to follow. If you actually cared about how much consequence is going to unfold, you would be articulating why it's all worth it, but instead all of you leave voters just say stuff like this. "Can't convince you!"
 

-Plasma Reus-

Service guarantees member status
I hope to fuck the government ignores this or calls for another referendum (as it is so close).

It is such an unmitigated disaster that something has to be done.
I agree. Cameron needs to discount this and resign. It's not about his career, it's about the future of this country, and it is about the future of Europe.
 
The sheer volume of hysteria in this thread is really something to behold.

I urge you all to remember that pretty much none of us have any real idea what the net consequences are, especially over a timeframe longer than 2 hours since the referendum was called.

For most of you this is largely an emotional matter.
 

Ushojax

Should probably not trust the 7-11 security cameras quite so much
I pray that we are able to go back on this decision once we see the actual terms of our exit in a couple of years time.
 

cdyhybrid

Member
If the pro-leave posts in this thread have shown me anything. It's that basically they wanted to give a giant finger to everyone and all other consequences be damned? Is that the deal here or what? Because ignoring the immediate aftermath seems kind of fucked up right now.

I'm over here on the other side of the world watching market futures nervously because 1 million people wanted to say fuck you to David Cameron and some other politicians? Really?!

It's the same reason people would vote for Trump. They have nothing to lose and would rather fuck everyone else over out of spite.
 
I asked earlier and got a few responses, but I'm seriously wondering. Can an independent Scotland support itself economically?

From my limited understanding, Scotland's economy is significantly subsidized by England.
We've done 'okay' out of the Barnett formula thus far. But overall, a significant amount of what would be Scotland's GDP is funnelled through Westminster first.

Quite similar to the Leave campaign's arguments, actually!

We can be fully self-sufficient in terms of energy generation. Our tourism industry is extremely strong. We have excellent higher education (secondary, a bit less so currently).

A lot of expenditure would no longer be required if we weren't tied to the rest of the UK, especially in defence.

Basically, our ability to sustain ourselves, whether our overall output dips or not, would be offset from being so badly treated and neglected by so many centre and centre-right governments in Westminster.
 
At what cost? Is countless people losing their jobs worth throwing a political temper tantrum?

You won't get an acknowledgement from those people on people losing their jobs, losing money, and everything else that is the sad reality of something like this. It's basically a bunch of people shit posting, which no doubt says plenty about the kind of people that voted to leave, not that it's particularly shocking.
 
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