That has to be it, right?
I'm saying that NX's gimmick won't be something super unique. It's something that Sony and/or MS could easily do with their current devices and implement before NX launches.
That has to be it, right?
What if they do a Saturn with the NX ?
" Is avaliable now!"
No reveal until March next year.
Except people were pretty wowed with the Wii lol
Well, I'm sure Nintendo considers Sony and MS' attempts to undercut Wii U's Gamepad functionality as a contributor to Wii U's failure. Nintendo revealed Wii U fairly early and Sony and MS announced their own versions of Gamepad functionality before Wii U released. Made people question what was special about the Wii U when they could use Vita to play PS3 games remotely.
That would mean that whatever NX is it's something that Sony and MS could really easily make their own versions of and beat NX to market with.
Considering how well the 3DS sells, I don't think Nintendo is done with gimmicks.I'ld hope and i actually so believe that we won't see another gimmick but a fundamentally different approach. The gimmick died with 3DS and WiiU
One can hope, right?
Except people were pretty wowed with the Wii lol
The NX wont have a reveal as grand as the Wii did at E3 2006. That presentation sold a lot of people.
So you already know what the NX is? You should share.
Im saying that ship has long sailed considering E3 is over. It will probably be revealed with a Direct that has a blowout of information with a few games thrown in. Id like to be proven wrong.
That has to be it, right?
Are you making fun of yourself
Why would you buy a console for one game
Considering how well the 3DS sells, I don't think Nintendo is done with gimmicks.
I'm saying that NX's gimmick won't be something super unique. It's something that Sony and/or MS could easily do with their current devices and implement before NX launches.
At the q&a for shareholders they just said again that they weren't at e3 with nx because they were afraid others might copy their ideas and features...
This screams to me a combination of hardware and software innovations.
Nintendo probably knows this, and the same cycle of motion controls could occur if Nintendo is successful. It'll be dismissed as a fad, then if there is a large market, Sony and Microsoft will imitate. Isn't that what the Scorpio is? Just a super powerful XBox One, made to compete with the PS4?
What if they do a Saturn with the NX ?
" Is avaliable now!"
No reveal until March next year.
No way. I'm being stubborn on this one because literally nothing else makes any business sense whatsoever for Nintendo.
Why would they want to create another failed home console? They already own the portable market. It just makes so much sense to leverage that monopoly and keep a toe in the home console market by throwing the HDMI signal sender in there.
Nintendo wouldn't mind if that happened. They always get imitated.
The issue is that with Wii U Sony and MS undercut them by releasing their versions before Wii U launched. This was possible because Sony and MS already had hardware in place that could imitate Wii U with the right software. So that implies that NX isn't something as unique as the Wii Remote. It's something PS4 or XB1 could imitate with software updates to currently available hardware.
It also implies that they are confident it is something that Sony or MS will want to imitate immediately. Of course, ever since the popularity of the Wii, Sony and MS will probably try to imitate whatever Nintendo comes up with ASAP.
"When you see the graphics you will say wow."
Nope.
Yeah, I'm agreeing.I'm saying that NX's gimmick won't be something super unique. It's something that Sony and/or MS could easily do with their current devices and implement before NX launches.
I'm saying that NX's gimmick won't be something super unique. It's something that Sony and/or MS could easily do with their current devices and implement before NX launches.
Explain how you know this again?
I think Nintendo is waiting Sony to announce Neo before unveil NX.
Is Sony waiting Nintendo to unveil NX before announcing Neo?
When The Wii was introduced it gave ample time to Microsoft and Sony to work on their own waggle controls. Sony even tripped over themselves to gut rumble from their controller so they could have a gyro in there.Were they like this with the Wii U? Or is this a new belief with the NX?
Really hope that if this gimmick/innovation is NOT as ill concieved as the tablet that was barely even used, worse yet forced into some games.
Sony even tripped over themselves to gut rumble from their controller so they could have a gyro in there.
Considering how well the 3DS sells, I don't think Nintendo is done with gimmicks.
No one knows but the fact that they're keeping silent so as to prevent them from copying it sorta implies that it's something that Sony and MS can actually copy, at least somewhat effectively.
It's good you're ignoring the second screen slash touch screen as a potential gimmick, as that just shows once again that people stop thinking of things as a gimmick once they're successful.You mean dramatically worse than it's predecessor with major games completely excluding 3D features and almost no games making use of gyro? 3DS is not selling because of gimmicks. It's selling in spite of them because of brand recognition, price and library. The 3D is horrible.
A portable with Wii-U similar level would last all of 30 minutes on a battery and cost 400+$. Good luck playing Zelda on that. Good luck losing the market where you're basically left as the last competitor vs phones.
An Hybrid is a way to do a super expensive portable device that do nothing besides play games that nobody want since phones already exist and everyone has one, and even top tier phones have bad graphical specs (200-300 mflops for 500+ $ devices, have fun).
Plus it make much more sense to release an actual portable console and a much more powerful home console that also play the games from the portable device and possibly vice-versa, so that they don't risk losing the portable market that they have and strenghten the offer on the side of the home software with uprezzed/upeffected games from the portable.
Microsoft is sitting on billions and billions of dollars, Sony is a large consumer electronics company with a lot of expertise in different areas.
Of course they can copy nearly anything Nintendo comes up with from a physical hardware standpoint.
I don't doubt that Nintendo are worrying about imitations, but Sony and MS could pretty much copy anything. Sony added a gyro into the PS3 in a matter of months. Wii U was similarly aped, even though its gimmick uses a separate screen and custom chips.
Explain how you know this again?
I don't think Nintendo has interest in a "specs matter" route. They've been quite clear about not needing to jump into that battle, even if it's in a unique way.since the console has been confirmed to be out in march 2017,the only thing i can think of that Miyamoto can be referring too is the one "expansion unit" stuff we saw in that patent.
It makes sense,because the console architecture can still be already defined and near starting production,while those "expansion units" are still being worked on,since they will be probably out sometime later
Everything in the bolded sentence is wrong. Assuming a FinFET process, it should be doable at around $200 with significantly better battery life than 3DS. Also, I think you meant GFLOPS, as MFLOPS would put that at like N64 level. Also, you know that those phones have 50-80% profit margins.
No one knows but the fact that they're keeping silent so as to prevent them from copying it sorta implies that it's something that Sony and MS can actually copy, at least somewhat effectively.
It sure seems like it. Sony though doesn't have as much to gain by waiting for Nintendo though, since there's no assurance that the gimmick/hook/whatever will actually sell or be desirable to the market, so I think they'll be the first to unveil their console.
I think Nintendo is worrying about imitations specifically from Sony applied to the Neo, since it is supposedly coming out this holiday, which would be before the NX launches. If Sony can get this "brand new concept" into the Neo before launch it would heavily devalue the NX having it, even if it's not utilized well.
All it really takes is for one of the imitations to succeed to deliver a crushing blow to Nintendo, so they're likely just being safe this time. Can't blame them honestly.
Im saying that ship has long sailed considering E3 is over. It will probably be revealed with a Direct that has a blowout of information with a few games thrown in. Id like to be proven wrong.
Nintendo is in a tough spot. Having an element of surprise could be something that they feel will give them some sort of advantage.
Where did you get that from? If you are thinking about the Nvidia Shield, you would have to consider the form factor.
A portable with Wii-U similar level would last all of 30 minutes on a battery and cost 400+$. Good luck playing Zelda on that. Good luck losing the market where you're basically left as the last competitor vs phones.
An Hybrid is a way to do a super expensive portable device that do nothing besides play games that nobody want since phones already exist and everyone has one, and even top tier phones have bad graphical specs (200-300 mflops for 500+ $ devices, have fun).
Plus it make much more sense to release an actual portable console and a much more powerful home console that also play the games from the portable device and possibly vice-versa, so that they don't risk losing the portable market that they have and strenghten the offer on the side of the home software with uprezzed/upeffected games from the portable.
By my estimates, it would cost Nintendo only around $12-$13 for a 16nm Nvidia chip for a March 2017 launch with the following:
You would be able to clock the CPU at 1GHz and the GPU at 400MHz for a total power draw of about 1.85W, which would give you over 200 Gflops of raw GPU power (with a far more modern GPU arch than Wii U). This is well within the expected power draw for a handheld like the 3DS or Vita, and should be capable of providing pretty good battery life (depending on other components, of course). The cost is only slightly more than the $10 the 3DS SoC was expected to cost at release.
- 4-core A53 CPU
- Pascal GPU w/ 2 SMs (256 "cores")
- 64-bit LPDDR4 interface
Granted, my calculations have a large margin of error, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility that Nintendo could release an affordable handheld in early 2017 that's more powerful than the Wii U.