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2016+ Gaming Laptop Thread: Embracing Pascal's Wafer (Please Read OP)

Yeah, the 960m model is basically the same price as the lowest price 1060M model I've seen (~$1200).

Anyone think any OEM will be able to offer a 1060M machine for a cool $1k? Hoping Dell/HP/Acer/Asus can make it happen.

Part of me wants to just spend a grand, but I wonder how good those laptops will be. I would be willing to pay a grand plus a few extra hunders for nice things like metal chassis, IPS + G-sync, 100% sRGB or better wide-gamut panel, better cooling setups to sustain boost clocks, and that sort of thing.

NO Killer NICs though, MSI please. No one wants that garbage.
 

Kieli

Member
Am I not seen the prices for these laptops or am I going crazy?

I wish there was a fucking handy chart comparing all the specs with the different price points. I'd like to make an informed decision on which I'm getting

Edit:this seems to be it, unless I'm going crazy.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IO9Y30G/?tag=neogaf0e-20


Seems like fantastic value. I'm likely going with this unless someone here knows for a fact there's something better for 1500

XOTIC PC has a 1070 in its cheapest trim for about $1550. But it only comes with 8GB ram, and no OS... (unless you upgrade)
 
XOTIC PC has a 1070 in its cheapest trim for about $1550. But it only comes with 8GB ram, and no OS... (unless you upgrade)
There's always a catch lmao.
I don't trust those bare bones laptops because you see the price and think you can add a little upgrade here and there to make it better. Before you know it you're at 2k
 

Renekton

Member
There's always a catch lmao.
I don't trust those bare bones laptops because you see the price and think you can add a little upgrade here and there to make it better. Before you know it you're at 2k
Plus you may have trouble getting correct drivers for laptop hardware like mobo and audio, since support downloads may be based on default models features.
 
All right between the msi laptop and the XOTIC for 1060 I'm not seeing much difference outside of

Msi: solid state drive for os but 14"
Xotic: 15.6" screen

I guess they now my issue comes on which one gaf recommend. Latter is cheaper but a brand I've never dealt with. Former is a brand I currently own and like, all be it more expensive by 300.

Thoughts?
 
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...-goes-mobile-gtx-1070-notebook-review-17.html

There’s absolutely no denying that NVIDIA’s Pascal architecture will usher in a revolution within the gaming notebook space. The GTX 1080, GTX 1070 and GTX 1060 will be a dream come true for system integrators since they’re now able to shoehorn some impressive graphics horsepower into thin and light chassis. While I can only speak to my experience with a lone GTX 1070-based product thus far (more about the incredible ASUS G752 below), all indicators point towards these new GPUs being the quantum leap NVIDIA promised.

Perhaps the most incredible thing about this launch is how little has been sacrificed on the performance front. Previous generations of mobile GPUs cast aside cores, memory capacity and frequency to achieve TDPs necessary for their integration into even the largest of gaming notebooks. Indeed, while past GPU architectures claimed to offer desktop performance for the notebook market, the difference between theory and reality could be measured in light-years. Pascal graphics cores on the other hand have been ported as completely holistic entities with only some minor cut in base clocks. Not only will this provide true high end performance but it’s been achieved without revising those already-stringent notebook design specs and it’s those guidelines that have effectively cut AMD out of this segment. As a matter of face these cards are so damn capable that users could face the very real possibility of CPU bottlenecking at 1080P, particularly with low voltage mobile processors.

Guys, it's okay to get hype now.

This review, incidentally, was of the $3k ASUS ROG laptop which has overclocked CPU, memory, and GPU which maintained all of it's overclocks and boosts during gaming and didn't throttle. Kind of an extreme example but Mobile Pascal is kind of ridiculous, and it's a surprise hard launch from Nvidia and the laptop builders too with stock available right now.
 

z3phon

Member
All right between the msi laptop and the XOTIC for 1060 I'm not seeing much difference outside of

Msi: solid state drive for os but 14"
Xotic: 15.6" screen

I guess they now my issue comes on which one gaf recommend. Latter is cheaper but a brand I've never dealt with. Former is a brand I currently own and like, all be it more expensive by 300.

Thoughts?
Don't know much about XOTIC but I can say I've had 2 MSI gaming laptops in the past 5 years and I never even once experienced any issues with them.
If and when I decide to get a new laptop I'll definitely go with msi again only because of how reliable theyve been for me.
 
Don't know much about XOTIC but I can say I've had 2 MSI gaming laptops in the past 5 years and I never even once experienced any issues with them.
If and when I decide to get a new laptop I'll definitely go with msi again only because of how reliable theyve been for me.
Oh for sure, msi has been good to me and the smaller screen doesn't bother me. I might wait to bite the bullet on the preorder tomorrow after some rest
 

Sini

Member
Microsoft/intel/nvidia/whoever still need to get their shit together though and fix the diagonal screen tearing issue that's been plaguing certain games in fullscreen for years now. Also, are we finally getting DSR support now?
Yup, it's disgusting how silent they are about this.
 

anddo0

Member
Making a purchase decision soon!

IMO

1080- overkill for my needs
1070- seems great can max out everything at 1080p
1060- never considered it until now. Might be my chance to go slim. It should play everything out at more than acceptable levels.

I don't know.. The AAA scene has been a real letdown this generation (No Mans Lie, is okay, but wow, so much lost potential) I find myself playing a lot of indies, strategy games etc.. So 1070 vs 1060 is a real toss up.






Think this will be one for me: https://m.newegg.com/Product/Index?itemNumber=N82E16834154286

1070, 16 GB RAM, 17 inch screen and under $2000. Hot damn.

Good not great, the SSD could be higher capacity (Samsung 850 EVO - 500GB is $158 on Amazon, but you'll need to install OS and drivers), The CPU isn't HK, with the power of these GPUs, bootlenecking could be a thing... Is the 1TB hd 7200rpm? I would think that would be standard on a laptop this price.
 
This one has more of the 1070 specs you're looking for Andoo. It's at $2,599, and looks like the option I may go with, though I also want to research 1060 laptops. ArsTechnica said that 1070 laptops will still run hot and loud, and I'm not sure if I want that or not.
 

anddo0

Member
This one has more of the 1070 specs you're looking for Andoo. It's at $2,599, and looks like the option I may go with, though I also want to research 1060 laptops. ArsTechnica said that 1070 laptops will still run hot and loud, and I'm not sure if I want that or not.

Interesting; however at that price you should be looking at the 1080. Sager np9872 http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9872s-clevo-p870dm2.html

The 1060 is no pushover, we're talking a desktop level 980. It should be the most quiet, and power efficient, cost effective of all the new cards.

I wouldn't worry too much about thermals. With these types of cards something like 83c is more than safe (they've been rumored to run around 73c at full load).


1060 sounds the real deal for me personally. real portable, not as hot, will last longer, still play most games.

Yeah, wasn't expecting this, or I would've pulled the trigger already.. Hell the 1060 can even handle 1444p.
 

K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
Just woke up. Wow the internet is going nuts!

Do we know what laptops have the 120Hz G-Sync panels?

And there are 1440p panels too? Holy wow.

Hey there K.Jack, it seems that this section of your OP should be updated a bit...

...because the world has changed.

Well, it still applies, do to the difference in cost, for the card in a laptop vs a desktop.

I may need to tidy up the wording a bit now, yeah.
 

anddo0

Member
Just woke up. Wow the internet is going nuts!

Do we know what laptops have the 120Hz G-Sync panels?

And there are 1440p panels too? Holy wow.

Now that you're up. One thing that's been keeping me from purchasing. The HQ vs HK debate, i7-6700HQ vs i7-6820hk.

Is it worth it going with the HK over the HQ?
This is literally the only thing preventing me from getting the GT72VR Dominator Pro-015 17.3" (i7-6700HQ) vs the Sager NP8173-S (i7-6820hk)

I've watched a ton of video and the 1060 is a very capable card. I'm very impressed, though I'm leaning 1070.. All cards are capable of 1444p and 4k, much more than expected. It really comes down to budget, there is no loser here.
 
The PCPer overview rates the 1060 mobile @ 75w, the same as the 970m on that graph. But elsewhere I've seen the 960m listed at 75w and the 970 listed at 120-125w.

What's the accurate figures for both ranges? I'm finding it surprisingly hard to google.
 

K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
Now that you're up. One thing that's been keeping me from purchasing. The HQ vs HK debate, i7-6700HQ vs i7-6820hk.

Is it worth it going with the HK over the HQ?
This is literally the only thing preventing me from getting the GT72VR Dominator Pro-015 17.3" (i7-6700HQ) vs the Sager NP8173-S (i7-6820hk)

I've watched a ton of video and the 1060 is a very capable card. I'm very impressed, though I'm leaning 1070.. All cards are capable of 1444p and 4k, much more than expected. It really comes down to budget, there is no loser here.

It's too early yet, to know if the 3.1Ghz 6700HQ is going to bottleneck the 1070, but it's safe to say that an overclockable CPU is pretty much always better in the long run.

The PCPer overview rates the 1060 mobile @ 75w, the same as the 970m on that graph. But elsewhere I've seen the 960m listed at 75w and the 970 listed at 120-125w.

What's the accurate figures for both ranges? I'm finding it surprisingly hard to google.

Cards alone, 960M was around 60W, 970M was around 85W. MXM board and memory included adds around 15W to both cards.
 

anddo0

Member
Man, I need a rundown of the MSI Series...
GS are the slim ones, GT the uncompromised but fat ones, right?

Yep, if size and weight are an issue stay clear of the GT line


MSI GT72VR 6RE-015US Notebook Review
http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GT72VR-6RE-015US-Notebook-Review.171103.0.html

Pro

+
very fast graphics performance from Pascal
+
good sound quality; dedicated subwoofer
+
updated Dragon system utility software
+
120 Hz and 5 ms response time option
+
relatively cool operating temperatures
+
upgradeable GPU (MXM 3.0 slot)
+
strong chassis and good quality
+
healthy number of ports
+
RGB backlit keyboard
+
easy serviceability



Cons

-
3x M.2 slots removed; no more NVMe support
-
no desktop-class Skylake CPU options
-
slight-moderate backlight bleeding
-
manual graphics switch removed
-
no individually backlit keys
-
Thunderbolt 3 removed
-
thick design; bulky
-
fans always active


Fans always on means no zero core?
Is Thunderbolt really that important?
 

Skel1ingt0n

I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Can someone link me to some benchmarks or percentage improvements of the 1060 over the 970M? Trying to gauge how good the new Razer is.
 
Is Thunderbolt really that important?

Thunderbolt 3 is the probably the most interesting connection technology since USB at least potential-wise

It allows for easy physical connection of an external GPU without compromising the bandwidth between the external GPU and motherboard too much

There's a lot of other interesting things you can do with it but for most people here's use cases it would either be external gpu or multiple 4k screens

It's a great piece of kit
 

Dinskugga

Member
Need advice

Im in need of a laptop. I dont play so much new games.

Play mainly blizzard games , LoL , some older games. I maybe wanna play some newer games. But i do not need to play them in ultra settings and super high res. Im playing them rather in high fps and lower settings.

Im thinking a laptop around 800-850USD. can i get a laptop with that money? Or do i need to put in more cash?
 

Fjordson

Member
Interesting that there are mentions of the CPU being a bottleneck now with these strong cards. Hadn't even thought of that, but it makes sense.
 

K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
Can someone link me to some benchmarks or percentage improvements of the 1060 over the 970M? Trying to gauge how good the new Razer is.


Their charts show the 1060 as ~61% faster.

Is my math right?
38% slower = 100 vs 62.
100-62 = 38
38 divided by 62 =.6129
.6129 x 100 = 61.29% increase

Need advice

Im in need of a laptop. I dont play so much new games.

Play mainly blizzard games , LoL , some older games. I maybe wanna play some newer games. But i do not need to play them in ultra settings and super high res. Im playing them rather in high fps and lower settings.

Im thinking a laptop around 800-850USD. can i get a laptop with that money? Or do i need to put in more cash?

This Dell is still the champ in that price bracket.
 

Fjordson

Member
If you want the HK, you could always go GT73 instead.
Hmm. I really don't know much about mobile processors. Think it's worth the extra $200 or so compared to the GT72 with the 6700HQ? Probably won't bother with overclocking, so don't know what the performance difference would be.

So with bottlenecking in mind, should I avoid the 1070 with the 6700HQ and go with the 6820 instead?
Basically what I'm narrowing it down to.

It's either this GT72 or this GT73
 

Benedict

Member
Now I'll just have to wait for the prices to go down...
I guess we'll still se laptops with the "old" GPUs" at a lower pricepoint as well.
Or will they disappear and there will be no step between the integrated GPUs and these?
 
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