Lestallum looks like booty in that ps4 video. I am sad.
The difference is absolutely insane
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Final Fantasy XV Hands-On Demo (Chapter 0-3) Previews
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The difference is absolutely insane
Oh I remember that Platinum Demo just fine. And it looked pretty horrible 90% of the time. Only thing going for it was the lighting... textures were bland, IQ was blurry as hell, pop in, dithering shadows, frame pacing issues, horrible framerate, the lot...
W3, at least in its current state, is massively more impressive to me.
You mean 'some of us', I have no money for yet another console. And current one gave me maybe three-four truly amazing games.
YankeeDonB
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Witcher 3 looks great. It also has very flat lighting, but the game was designed around this to give a subtle almost oil-painting look that really works.
I think part of the problem w/ XV's visuals in the Lestallum gif is that they were designed to look realistic with dynamic lighting, and they've had to turn that off/down, and the look is quite rough without it.
Of course, Witcher 3 on console also had very dodgy framerate for a long time after release (and still in certain situations).
chozen
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>Selling PS4 with PT Demo !!!
But seriously, I might do that to get my Neo if it comes down to it.
Tabata has a lot to answer for since he said Duscae was only 70% of the visual quality and it's obviously gotten worse from there. Not the only time he said the visuals would improve either. Instead they've gotten a lot worse.The difference is absolutely insane
DarkLordMalik
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My heart can't take it anymoreLestallum looks like booty in that ps4 video. I am sad.
This..... I seriously can't fathom how could they downgrade the visuals to its current state.
Nothing pisses me off more than to see my excitement vanish once I realize the years of footage I watched to get hyped was reduced to a blurry mess.
Even the GameInformer pre-alpha footage looked better.
chozen
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Show me a fight that looks like the Titan one in The Witcher 3
It wont even "save" those with Neo... just a few texture packs, better IQ, more stable framerate, thats all you will get.
Nowhere near the true potential of what Neo could deliver, since it will be held back by PS4.
Granted most are happy to fork down 400-500 dollars for a few frames and textures and pixels and wont be asking for more, so yeah there is that...
Welcome to the permanent "cross gen" era of console gaming.
What is that supposed to prove? On PS3 in GOW 3 (hell I could even use PS2 and GOW2) Kratos fights even larger enemies and in much more spectacular/interactive ways rather than the competely idiotic showing we got on E3 with FFXV... that was rather painful to watch, i cant even fathom how you found it impressive. Just a guy pressing Square button repeatedly for 5 mins...good God...Even technically it wasnt something to write home about... the textures were weak as hell.
Point is having a huge ass character/enemy in game, doesnt automatically make your game the prettiest thing out there.
YankeeDonB
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It does raise an eyebrow, but shouldn't we wait for the final build before getting out the pitchforks?
One assumes this wasn't a bald face lie, but rather they believed they'd be better able to tame performance issues than they have been. What's the conceivable benefit of his hyping up a visual upgrade he knew wasn't going to happen, especially in this day and age of "downgrade" backlash?
Considering this was the version they were going to ship... I really wonder if two months is enough.
To be fair it's not. They were counting on the Day One patch like so many games do.
YankeeDonB
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I won't argue with that. Just curious where they get it by then.
Death Penalty
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Let's be real though, whether it was incompetence or lying neither is a good look. I'll be pleasantly surprised if they can get visual fidelity back to Duscae's level.
nelsonroyale
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Better than the witcher 3 LOL
Compare the grass ...
To be honest, that isn't particularly flattering either. I have got blood and wine, it looks great but it certainly also has isn't without its shortcomings visually. Lighting during day time for example can look quite flat. 2d objects also sometimes stick out. Still consistent though.
TheGreatDirector
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It probably isn't. They're most likely adding the stuff they would have included in the day one patch.
DarkLordMalik
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There is always the possibility they weren't done with optimization and simply settled for the lowest specs for the engine just to get the game at a stable state.
Honestly all the pre-release footage before this 'Master version' is way better. Heck, even the Titan demo looked better than this so called Master version.
kenji_sama
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Someone should ask Tabata why the master looks worse than Duscae demo. I think they should develop the game on a fixed console spec but not much higher PC spec.
encephalon
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Perhaps it was just completely unexpected that they would be struggling this much, resulting in the release date that proved over-optimistic.
Was Duscae prone to crashes/etc in the way that the current state of the game appears to be? I find it incredibly difficult to make any sense of what's going on in the development of this game. "Visually stunning, but prone to performance issues" and "visually unimpressive, but performs well" sound like probable scenarios. But the game has both visually taken a huge step back from everything we've seen thus far AND appears to be prone to huge performance issues (or at least from what I've read/heard).
Unless they're not entirely related and the bugs are more of a programming issue?
Was Duscae prone to crashes/etc in the way that the current state of the game appears to be? I find it incredibly difficult to make any sense of what's going on in the development of this game. "Visually stunning, but prone to performance issues" and "visually unimpressive, but performs well" sound like probable scenarios. But the game has both visually taken a huge step back from everything we've seen thus far AND appears to be prone to huge performance issues (or at least from what I've read/heard).
Unless they're not entirely related and the bugs are more of a programming issue?
YankeeDonB
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Same. Of course, Duscae lighting with smooth performance even in big cities and battles, with all the other improvements to things like sky/clouds/monster animations, this would still constitute a visual "upgrade" over Duscae.
Although I recognize that most people focus primarily on IQ and texture when thinking about visual upgrade.
CrimsonSquall
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You simplified FFXII to paint a picture that FFXV might turn out to be like what you're simplifying it as. I'd say yea, that's pushing a narrative
Death Penalty
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I'm not difficult to please, this would satisfy me. In XV's case the remarkable art direction can thankfully do a lot of heavy lifting.
I am right there with you on this. My guess is that the day one patch has nothing to do with things like the visuals though.
DarkLordMalik
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Duscae ran at a much better frame rate than the Platinum demo, ironically.
NoctisVsStar
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This luminous engine is just shitty all around, I'm sure the ps4 has enough horsepower to do something nice but this particular engine won't cooperate. Hell, I don't game on PC but I be willing to buy a gaming rig just for this game.
chozen
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"Spectacular interactive ways" Oh you mean like QTEs, cause that's all I remember Cronos being other than hitting a finger nail and fighting fodder on his body.
Last I remember GOW3,isn't an open world game, it's linear and heavily scripted.
FFXV IS OPEN WORLD has the biggest bosses in any open world single player RPG at this point in time and the giant fights are actually far more interesting than QTE of War
https://gfycat.com/GorgeousValuableEidolonhelvum
https://gfycat.com/PlainAdventurousBrownbear < probably the biggest creature in any open world.
I think you should stop memeing and put credit where it's due. Look at the webms and think before you reply.
Clearly you haven't taken a closer look at what FFXV is doing with all of it's graphical sacrafices.
CrimsonSquall
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What a misstep. Comparing Action/Adventure to Open World... Haha yea, why doesn't older Noctis wince like Nathan Drake in Uncharted 4???
Death Penalty
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I know you're trying to make a separate point but god damn does this make Titan look frustrating as hell to fight. Noctis whiffs more than he hits even with automatic warping and tracking and gets remarkably little for his huge MP expenditure.
encephalon
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I summarized FFXII. If you want to share a story arc in FFXII that doesn't consist of "Ashe reclaims her kingdom," feel free. Hint: the Occuria don't change anything.
"Pushing a narrative" would mean that I am making some broader implication based on FFXII and what I fear FFXV to be. What narrative? Unless you mean that simply holding opinions that are less than favorable to FFXII constitutes a "pushing a narrative."
Is this smoke from a fire?
chozen
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Looking at the 50 minute footage when Noctis fights that dude in the mech it seems like they slighty fixed the aerial combat to have more of a lunge toward targets.
The MP problem is better than it was before at the least if you can land more hits often you will restore mp, and the mp you do use up slowly recovers.
Even then you can warp onto the cliffs in the area and recover for a bit before the stamina runs out and you fall.
It's a challenge.
Death Penalty
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"Group of supposed liberators submits world to continued tyrannical rule of uncaring oppressive gods."
Give War A Chance
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I literally have no idea what to think about this game. The delay this late into the ballgame really makes me more pessimistic about the final product...
These threads are so often a mixed preview. I don't know if it's blind hate for a huge, huge game or blind love for a beloved franchise...
I feel like this is going to be the first Final Fantasy I play out of morbid curiosity, rather than because I really like Final Fantasy.
Also, off-topic, what's the over/under on bans in the review thread? Sheesh. Every FFXV thread lately is just brutal to read pretty quickly.
These threads are so often a mixed preview. I don't know if it's blind hate for a huge, huge game or blind love for a beloved franchise...
I feel like this is going to be the first Final Fantasy I play out of morbid curiosity, rather than because I really like Final Fantasy.
Also, off-topic, what's the over/under on bans in the review thread? Sheesh. Every FFXV thread lately is just brutal to read pretty quickly.
encephalon
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Yes, that's also a summary of FFXII. But it's inconsequential to the direction of the story. It doesn't alter Ashe's quest to reclaim her kingdom, it just reframes it.
Death Penalty
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I'd argue that it's actually quite interesting that your group of protagonists turn a blind eye to this because Ashe wants her miniskirt wearing ass in a throne. My description was more meant to be humorous, though.
YankeeDonB
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Yeah, fingers crossed.
MegaSackman
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I woke up today and found that The Witcher is an enemy of Final Fantasy...
NoctisVsStar
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It's a mix of both blind hate and blind love. Although, I do question some defenders at times saying it looks better than tw3. However, people tend to forget the many patches tw3 received to get where it is at this moment. Ultimately, it goes both ways since people from both sides is the fence conveniently cherry pick their arguments and ignore legitimate ones.
Are you for real? We were talking graphics and you used as an argument "show me something like Titan in FFXV".
And all I proceeded to explain to you is that some big ass character doesnt make a game impressive by itself. And I specifically used a last gen game just to point out to you that size doesnt mean much.
Also, just for the sake of it, Titans in GOW werent all about QTEs alone. They were spectacular because they were entire levels, you fought other enemies on them, solved puzzles on them etc etc.
All that FFXV has managed to do is look worse each and every damn time they show it. Duscae looked better than this thing here. Lighting took a hit, textures took a hit, IQ is even worse. I know you seem like a fan of FFXV, but dont go on babbling about what I should be seeing instead of what I am actually seeing. And what I see is a heavily botched down game visually than what was promised.
It is as simple as that.
FFVII = blow up Mako Reactors -> hunt Sephiroth -> save planet from Meteor and Sephiroth
FFXV = road trip to get married -> reclaim your throne -> ????????
Seriously, I don't get it. If things get kooky it'll be somewhere down the line. Reclaiming the throne could also have more meaning than just reclaiming the kingdom.
FFXV = road trip to get married -> reclaim your throne -> ????????
Seriously, I don't get it. If things get kooky it'll be somewhere down the line. Reclaiming the throne could also have more meaning than just reclaiming the kingdom.
encephalon
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Sorry, I think I misinterpreted what you were trying to say. I'll leave my post though.
What you're getting at is precisely what FFXII is going for. I don't think it's "interesting" enough to salvage it, though.
FalsettoVibe
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Lestallum looks like booty in that ps4 video. I am sad.
But foreal though.....do you guys think the Neo version will look like this?
Death Penalty
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The aerial combat in the Platinum Demo left me skeptical. It doesn't seem well-executed, the cost is huge for something that seems to provide you with no advantage over staying on the ground. In fact, you seem to have a much harder time defending yourself in the air than on the ground.
You mean with all that alliasing? Sure, why not, thats 5 TFlops worth of graphics right there...
No, for real, I think it will look considerably better than PS4 and will obviously run at a decent framerate, but it wont do justice to the true capabilities of Neo.
AkirraKrylon
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This and agreed,
Most stories look terrible on paper because a good story isn't just about a well laid out set of events. It's got more to do with the presentation of said events.
Breaking Bad's story is considered one of the best TV show stories of all time. On paper plot: Middle-class Chemistry teacher gets cancer and recruits an ex-student screw up to cook crystal meth with him because he can't afford chemo and has pride issues. They get in trouble. A lot.
Does that sound amazing by any stretch? Not really.
Edit: not to mention that none of those leaks are confirmed. For all we know, they caught wind of things happening at future events/some of the Chapter 0 details and went on a tangent from there that made some sort of sense based on how things in FF stories usually go.
chozen
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Big creatures certainly push for technical demand, the type of thing TW3 doesn't have,
but you had to resort to a set pieced focused game which alone shows how FFXV can seemingly be compared to several titles/genres
and it still pull it off with some graphical downgrades to the fault of consoles.
Keep undermining it though.
NoctisVsStar
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Neo will just check some check boxes.. It's not that SE is going to develop a version from the ground up on Neo. Idk what kind of expectations Gaf has for the Neo but many are in for a rude awakening.
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