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[KAL2006]

Nintendo can easily make money if they actually gave the fans what they wanted

Zelda BotW is an example of what the fans want. A open world Zelda that uses some of the modern game designs but still retains the Zelda charm we all know and love. This is a good start.

Another example is Mario Maker. This is what everyone wanted a Mario game with easy level editing. Unfortunately it came out at the end of Wii Us life and didn't help the system.

With all the Pokemon craze we have had with Go. And Nintendo combining handheld and home console into one this is the perfect opportunity for Nintendo to revitalise Pokemon to the mass audience on a full retail game.

The should release
Pokemon Red 2 and Pokemon Blue 2.

A direct sequel to the original games set in the same region with the original 151 Pokemon. However they should revamp the game and have full 3D graphics, open world, camera controls, tons of content, connectivity with Pokemon Go. Proper story.

 

[Manoko]

I was not living under a rock but for me it was clear from second one what the Wii U was and I could never understand the problems some costumers had.

Nintendo did the same marketing in the last few years like they did with the Wii. Cleqrly appealing familys and it worked for a lot of games. So acting like Nintendo is not capable of doing marketing right is just ignorant and completly false.
Maybe that was the case 5 years ago but not anymore. So calm down and don't jump to conclusions because Nintendo is not acting the way you want them to act.

I'm perfectly calm.
I understood from day one that the gamepad was part of a new console, but they didn't make it clear enough and you can't deny that. I knew people (outside of core gaming) who thought it was an accessory for the Wii.

Wii U was a failure in sales, marketing, support from third party. They tried to ride the Wii mentality they have (trying to attract new people into casual gaming) with developing the gamepad as the primary controller for the system, at the expense of the specs.
This isn't true innovation, it's copy-pasting ideas that seem to work elsewhere (tablet appealing to masses) and incorporating it into a dedicated gaming console without much thought given into it.

This kind of half-assed mentality Nintendo has been having on hardware these past few generations (3D on the 3DS, wonky motion control on the Wii (initially), tablet like gaming controller on the Wii U) fits exactly the Eurogamer rumors: a half-assed handheld/console device which seem to truly belong neither in the living room, nor on the go.

These are rumors of course, I'm waiting for the reveal to make my opinion on it.
I'm just showing you that Nintendo has been quite oblivious to what gamers have been expecting of them hardware-wise lately, in favor of pursuing gimmicks that might stick on the general population.

 

[JoeM86]

I'm perfectly calm.
I understood from day one that the gamepad was part of a new console, but they didn't make it clear enough and you can't deny that. I knew people (outside of core gaming) who thought it was an accessory for the Wii.

Wii U was a failure in sales, marketing, support from third party. They tried to ride the Wii mentality they have (trying to attract new people into casual gaming) with developing the gamepad as the primary controller for the system, at the expense of the specs.
This isn't true innovation, it's copy-pasting ideas that seem to work elsewhere (tablet appealing to masses) and incorporating it into a dedicated gaming console without much thought given into it.

This kind of half-assed mentality Nintendo has been having on hardware these past few generations (3D on the 3DS, wonky motion control on the Wii (initially), tablet like gaming controller on the Wii U) fits exactly the Eurogamer rumors: a half-assed handheld/console device which seem to truly belong neither in the living room, nor on the go.

These are rumors of course, I'm waiting for the reveal to make my opinion on it.
I'm just showing you that Nintendo has been quite oblivious to what gamers have been expecting of them hardware-wise lately, in favor of pursuing gimmicks that might stick on the general population.

But the Wii U concept was in development before the iPad was released and tablets hit the mainstream...

 

[Manoko]

But the Wii U concept was in development before the iPad was released and tablets hit the mainstream...

Really ? I didn't know !
I'll check it myself.

They were too late to market then.

 

[JoeM86]

Really ? I didn't know !
I'll check it myself.

They were too late to market then.

The issue with the Wii U's marketing is that they were pushing it as a core console, but with the Wii moniker and that obviously caused confusion with people not understanding it was its own device, and caused it to have identity issues of its own.

Wii U wasn't them trying to grab the casual crowd. It was the opposite.

 

[Dekuboy]

With all the Pokemon craze we have had with Go. And Nintendo combining handheld and home console into one this is the perfect opportunity for Nintendo to revitalise Pokemon to the mass audience on a full retail game.

The should release
Pokemon Red 2 and Pokemon Blue 2.

A direct sequel to the original games set in the same region with the original 151 Pokemon. However they should revamp the game and have full 3D graphics, open world, camera controls, tons of content, connectivity with Pokemon Go. Proper story.

I've always wondered, why the hell refer people gen 1 and the 151 mons as original. Are everything after that fake? Just because they were the first ones doesn't mean they are more special than the other 580+. The developers orginally planned 2 Gens, because they thought it wouldn't be that much popular.

Also you want a pokemon game, with a huge world and ton of content, but only 151 pokemons? Doesn't make sense, also after XY there wouldn't be less than 250-300 mons in the national pokedex. Also they are doing that what you want with sun moon.

 

[ggx2ac]

I finished watching GTC Europe and Nvidia just announced a new SoC called Xavier which is a successor to the Drive PX 2.

It has a custom 8-core ARM 64-bit CPU

Has a 512 Core GPU using Volta architecture.

16nmFF I think.

8K HDR processor. (I think it said 2 of them)

Other than that I learned about AI, deep learning and GPU Acceleration for AI.

Nvidia has an OS for self-driving cars called Driveworks.

I learned about HD Mapping for the navigation of self-driving cars. (And probably other stuff I) forgot to mention or things I saw that were demonstrated.

It was interesting to watch.

No, there was no NX hints or news.

Edit: Here is Xavier.

https://twitter.com/nvidia/status/781079764425580545

"The greatest SOC endeavor, I have ever known" - Jen-Hsun Huang on Xavier, the SOC for Automotive #GTC16EU https://t.co/FWNKg3jDTJ

 

[Calm Mind]

Nintendo struggles with marketing

Are we forgetting the previous 30+ years of Nintendo to fit our little narrative are we?

Yes, the Wii U could have been handled better but unfortunately the 3DS took precedent and the rest is history. Believe me, it could've been far worse.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I had no clue Paper Mario wasn't coming out until the following week in Japan...ugh I keep pushing the NX reveal a week later. I thought PMCS was a simultaneous release on October 7. *sighs*

So in Japan it releases on the 13th. If Nintendo wanted to wait until after Paper Mario to talk about NX that would mean they probably would announce the NX reveal on the 18th? I feel like they won't do a full NX reveal on the week of the investors meeting. It's October 26 or 27 for the meeting.

That brings me to October 20th for the reveal, which is a Thursday. 😑

 

[Manoko]

Are we forgetting the previous 30+ years of Nintendo to fit our little narrative are we?

Yes, the Wii U could have been handled better but unfortunately the 3DS took precedent and the rest is history. Believe me, it could've been far worse.

Yeah I meant, current Nintendo.

 

[Dagobert Duck]

I had no clue Paper Mario wasn't coming out until the following week in Japan...ugh I keep pushing the NX reveal a week later. I though PMCS was a simultaneous release on October 7. *sighs*

So in Japan it releases on the 13th. If Nintendo wanted to wait until after Paper Mario to talk about NX that would mean they probably would announce the NX reveal on the 18th? I feel like they won't do a full NX reveal on the week of the investors meeting. It's October 26 or 27 for the meeting.

That brings me to October 20th for the reveal, which is a Thursday. 😑

But October 19th is my dads birthday...man

 

[Kurt]

But the Wii U concept was in development before the iPad was released and tablets hit the mainstream...

Glad that someone brings this up.
People should not deny that.

 

[Donniewahlberg]

I really don't think nx announcing hinges on paper mario either way. If anything there's pokemon, but I still don't think it really matters. In the broad scope of things, the mass casual market knows about pokemon go right now and probably that there's a 3ds pokemon coming. Also that there's a mario game coming to their iPhone. The announcement of a new nintendo console could really only impact clarity about pokemon sun and Moon and what platform they might want to buy their kids for that, but they've been running ads every day on morning and day time tv showing that it's a 3ds game for that since August so I think even pokemon is to an larger extent irrelevant in the face of when nx will be announced. The schedule is a niche it when it and the software are read. Anything else is reading tealeaves imo.

 

[KAL2006]

I've always wondered, why the hell refer people gen 1 and the 151 mons as original. Are everything after that fake? Just because they were the first ones doesn't mean they are more special than the other 580+. The developers orginally planned 2 Gens, because they thought it wouldn't be that much popular.

Also you want a pokemon game, with a huge world and ton of content, but only 151 pokemons? Doesn't make sense, also after XY there wouldn't be less than 250-300 mons in the national pokedex. Also they are doing that what you want with sun moon.

Because the first 151 Pokemon are the most popular and appealing to majority of casual fans. When Pokemon Go came out I asked some friends hope they have the newer Pokemon and my friends instantly said no fuck that.

Yes Sun and Moon has more emphasis on story. But I'm talking about a full budget Pokemon game with 3D graphics that can Rival the new Zelda with full camera controls like a open world RPG. I'm not saying the new Pokemon should not be in the game at all but the focus should he on the rigid also as it would be at direct sequel. I'd like full voice acting as well as cutscenes. The cover of Red and Blue 2 should have Mega versions of Charizard and Blastoise as at Throwback.

 

[marmoka]

I finished watching GTC Europe and Nvidia just announced a new SoC called Xavier which is a successor to the Drive PX 2.

It has a custom 8-core ARM 64-bit CPU

Has a 512 Core GPU using Volta architecture.

16nmFF I think.

8K HDR processor. (I think it said 2 of them)

Other than that I learned about AI, deep learning and GPU Acceleration for AI.

Nvidia has an OS for self-driving cars called Driveworks.

I learned about HD Mapping for the navigation of self-driving cars. (And probably other stuff I) forgot to mention or things I saw that were demonstrated.

It was interesting to watch.

No, there was no NX hints or news.

Edit: Here is Xavier.

https://twitter.com/nvidia/status/781079764425580545

Nintendo Xavier

Hyyyypeeeee!!

 

[Shiggy]

But the Wii U concept was in development before the iPad was released and tablets hit the mainstream...

Even more shocking that the pricing and execution of the system was so much worse than tablets on the market in 2012/2013.

 

[ggx2ac]

Nintendo Xavier

Hyyyypeeeee!!

Exactly. You get a self-driving car that plays Nintendo games so you can play games while the car drives.

 

[Dark Cloud]

But October 19th is my dads birthday...man

Kimishima: *laughs*

 

[Hermii]

Holy shit, the NX can drive my car. It all makes sense now. That's why it's a portable system with a performance module. The dock/ performance module will be connected to the car.

Parents will no longer have to drive places for their children, the NX can do it. This thing will be a hit.

 

[Kurt]

Even more shocking that the pricing and execution of the system was so much worse than tablets on the market in 2012/2013.

The price from a ipad 1 was a lot more.
Besides that, it's not something that you could compare like that.
Wii u doesnt exist as a tablet only thing.

 

[ggx2ac]

Holy shit, the NX can drive my car. It all makes sense now. That's why it's a portable system with a performance module. The dock/ performance module will be connected to the car.

Parents will no longer have to drive places for their children, the NX can do it. This thing will be a hit.

I know, how did I not see it in the first place. No wonder Nintendo doesn't want their competitors copying their idea.

Now you can play Pokémon Go without driving manually.

Spoiler

I'm joking of course.

 

[orioto]

I'd like opinions on a simple view i had about the NX. It's probably not that at all (if the rumors are true) and i'm not even sure how possible it is technically, but it's absolutly the thing i would have tried to do if i were Nintendo, and i think there is a market for it and a possibility of growth (out from Nintendo fans).

Just make the NX a portable that is a damn LAN miracle. I don't know what are the limits right now, and what can be done in term of progress. But..

Let's take an exemple. Take a popular multiplayer game: Overwatch, with a strong community. Tell me if i'm wrong, i can be, but if 8 friends want to play it together, they'll do it online. If they want to do it locally, it'll be really complicated. They need a dedicated room with multiple pc etc.. That's how it goes and how it's always been for local multi with massivly multiplayer games right.

But what if the NX can (of course we have to imagine Nintendo can convince blizzard that it's interesting to port it) is powerful enough to have a good enough version of the game, and you can play it .. everywhere with your 7 friends. At your place, in a park, everywhere, by simply all having the game and connecting, monster hunter like (i think that's what made monster hunter popular right).

What i'm thinking is, allowing super convivial local multi on the go, everywhere, for games that you could only play online before... could be a game changer, and a real phenomenon that would embrace gamers in the world everywhere (like pokemon go did).

I don't know about the tech, but i think that strategy would take the world like a storm, and rather than finding a blue ocean, or capitalizing on Nintendo fans, it would actually wrap a really large group of pc and console players.

Of course new Nintendo ips using that well could also seduce non gamers if big social fads are created (like monster hunter in japan). And of course it adds so much to any Nintendo games, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros etc..

Now if i was creating a fiction about what the NX should be, i would do that. And i would think, like they did work on video streaming without lag last time with the WiiU, their R&D was dedicated to allowing lag free massive wireless play with multiple devices (what some of those patents could be used for actually i guess).

I'm sad it won't be that, cause i actually think it would let Nintendo a chance to be number one again, and with the good crowd this time.

 

[Shiggy]

With huge price differences...

True, And despite the much lower prices, the screens were significantly better. Pricing was the most baffling thing with the Wii U.

The price from a ipad 1 was a lot more.
Besides that, it's not something that you could compare like that.

Apple always charges a premium. Android tablets were already cheap in 2012. And the controller was the defining factor of Wii U, and that faired absolutely badly compared to tablets. Without the controller, it was just a slightly more powerful and significantly more expensive Ps3.

 

[Dagobert Duck]

I know, how did I not see it in the first place. No wonder Nintendo doesn't want their competitors copying their idea.

Now you can play Pokémon Go without driving manually.

Spoiler

I'm joking of course.

Damn this almost made me spill out my water...

 

[devonodev]

I've always wondered, why the hell refer people gen 1 and the 151 mons as original. Are everything after that fake? Just because they were the first ones doesn't mean they are more special than the other 580+. The developers orginally planned 2 Gens, because they thought it wouldn't be that much popular.

Also you want a pokemon game, with a huge world and ton of content, but only 151 pokemons? Doesn't make sense, also after XY there wouldn't be less than 250-300 mons in the national pokedex. Also they are doing that what you want with sun moon.

original
adjective
1. present or existing from the beginning; first or earliest.

People refer to gen 1 as original because they were the first. They are also the most popular gen.

 

[Mr. Pointy]

Exactly. You get a self-driving car that plays Nintendo games so you can play games while the car drives.

I can play Nintendo NX while my Lexus NX drives for me.

 

[ggx2ac]

Here's the concept.

Nintendo Xavier

Self-Driving Car and Game Console.

Powered by the new Xavier SoC.

"The greatest SOC endeavor, I have ever known" - Jen-Hsun Huang on Xavier, the SOC for Automotive #GTC16EU

Ever wanted to play Pokémon Go in your car without driving manually? With Nintendo Xavier, you can.

The Nintendo Xavier is Nintendo's next gen platform for video games. It will take you places the same way their world takes you places: Inside of a bubble with wheels attached.

The Nintendo Xavier has a portable unit that can attach to a dock which is inside the car to maximise performance output.

The car has projection capabilities, on its front lights you can project the game from the small screen to the big screen. Play anywhere, your way.

Valued at $19,990 the Nintendo Xavier is your new home.

There's no play like it.

 

[Dagobert Duck]

Pipedream for sure, but man wouldnt it be awesome if Nintendo was using that? The Javier...

 

[ggx2ac]

Pipedream for sure, but man wouldnt it be awesome if Nintendo was using that? The Javier...

It's meant to be a joke more than an idealised dream. Just felt like having fun.

 

[Mr. Pointy]

We talking comic book Xavier, cartoon Xavier or movie Xavier?

 

[orioto]

We talking comic book Xavier, cartoon Xavier or movie Xavier?

The only xavier

 

[Calm Mind]

I had to sleep on it but my decision is clear. #TeamDecember

 

[ggx2ac]

Oh, I only realised it just now.

NX = Nintendo Xavier

Mind-blown.

Don't take it seriously. lol

 

[10k]

Today I will employ the reverse jinx strategy.

Absolutely no NX announcements will come from Nintendo today.

 

[Forkball]

There will be two versions: Nintendo Sun and Nintendo Moon. Mario, Splatoon, and Kirby are exclusive to Sun while Zelda, Pokemon, and Donkey Kong are Moon only.

 

[marmoka]

Giving that X of NX a person name sound nice, like that non-existing Nintendo Xavier.

Here's a list of names starting with X. Choose those you like, or find weird, or hate.

Nintendo Xerxes
Nintendo Xenokrates
Nintendo Xochiquetzal

 

[BY2K]

Today I will employ the reverse jinx strategy.

Absolutely no NX announcements will come from Nintendo today.

But because you explained it is a reverse jinx, the reverse jinx is jinx'd so it won't work.

 

[Shiggy]

But because you explained it is a reverse jinx, the reverse jinx is jinx'd so it won't work.

Lol

By the way, now that you're back in this thread, has anyone mentioned Nintendo Canada today already?

 

[Übermatik]

But because you explained it is a reverse jinx, the reverse jinx is jinx'd so it won't work.

But in identifying the jinx of the reverse jinx, you've... unjinxed the jinxed... jinx?

 

[BY2K]

Lol

By the way, now that you're back in this thread, has anyone mentioned Nintendo Canada today already?

No?

 

[Akiller]

Giving that X of NX a person name sound nice, like that non-existing Nintendo Xavier.

Here's a list of names starting with X. Choose those you like, or find weird, or hate.

Nintendo Xerxes
Nintendo Xenokrates
Nintendo Xochiquetzal

Nintendo Xerneas

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

Giving that X of NX a person name sound nice, like that non-existing Nintendo Xavier.

Here's a list of names starting with X. Choose those you like, or find weird, or hate.

Nintendo Xerxes
Nintendo Xenokrates
Nintendo Xochiquetzal

For Nohr!

 

[KingSnake]

Are we forgetting the previous 30+ years of Nintendo to fit our little narrative are we?

We're also not forgetting the past 4 years which should be probably given example in the marketing and PR courses about how not to promote your products or try to keep your brand relevant. Also in worst practices when it comes to the communication with your loyal customers who buy your devices and software. There are only 2 glowing moments in this whole period: Nintendo Direct from January 2013 (which was practically a desperate attempt to save Wii U) and E3 2015. No, E3 2016 doesn't qualify, it was just saved by what seems to be a really great game, but that's it, nothing too smart in terms of PR&marketing.

 

[Sapiens]

Yo Nintendo owes us!! Why does fox com see it before we do!??!! They should also call it the Nes.

 

[Shiggy]

No?

Then let me do it. Back in June, he Nintendo Canada CEO said they will talk about NX this fall.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Today I will employ the reverse jinx strategy.

Absolutely no NX announcements will come from Nintendo today.

Next Tuesday

 

[fabricated backlash]

We're also not forgetting the past 4 years which should be probably given example in the marketing and PR courses about how not to promote your products or try to keep your brand relevant. Also in worst practices when it comes to the communication with your loyal customers who buy your devices and software. There are only 2 glowing moments in this whole period: Nintendo Direct from January 2013 (which was practically a desperate attempt to save Wii U) and E3 2015. No, E3 2016 doesn't qualify, it was just saved by what seems to be a really great game, but that's it, nothing too smart in terms of PR&marketing.

I'd say E3 2016 was brilliant marketing display. Since they literally had nothing else to show worth a damn, focusing on what might turn out their strongest software release in over a decade, is brilliant.
Marketing is about working with what you got and hiding what you don't necessarily want to show. In that regard E3 2016 is perfect. Less is more.

But yeah... the rest of the WiiU era... yeah... at least it should give a very potent lesson in what not to do when stuck with a stinker of a product.

 

[Nightbird]

Nintendo Xochiquetzal

This is perfect, and will stay media relevant for a while because everyone will be trying to figure out how to pronounce the name

 

[Dascu]

Giving that X of NX a person name sound nice, like that non-existing Nintendo Xavier.

Here's a list of names starting with X. Choose those you like, or find weird, or hate.

Nintendo Xerxes
Nintendo Xenokrates
Nintendo Xochiquetzal

How about the Nintendo xXx. Or otherwise, the Nin Diesel.

 

[BY2K]

Then let me do it. Back in June, he Nintendo Canada CEO said they will talk about NX this fall.

It's not gonna make me mad if you do it on purpose...