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Sony X800D well - reviewed, 4k+HDR TV with low input lag

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TurboButts

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Some thought after having it for a couple of a weeks:

The built in chromecast is unreliable as hell. Giant Bomb video buddy connects to it about 1/4th of the time, so I've been using my actual chromecast that I used for my previous TV. Now tonight all of a sudden my actual chromecast won't display anymore? Turns on, screen turns black and shows "Chromecast..." at the bottom like its booting up, and then screen goes blank as if there's no input. Tried in other HDMI slots and same thing. Tested on another TV, the Chromecast is fine. And now it somehow messed up HDMI 4 because now everything displays 640x480 on HDMI and I can't for the life of me figure out how to fix it. I'm looking at my Xbox dashboard in a tiny window in the middle of the screen.

I'm flabbergasted. I'm the most technically literate person I know and I have no idea what I'm doing wrong.

This, in addition to freezing issues and sluggish UI. I'm not nearly as impressed with Android TV as everyone else seems to be.

Aside from the great screen quality, I haven't had the best experience with this TV.
 
Robot Pants

Robot Pants

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Android tvs are gonna crash on you. Apps are definitely gonna freeze. It's android.

The picture quality alone is worth it in my opinion and the occasional crashes don't bother me enough. I think any smart tv you're gonna run into issues and freezes. But it has some cool features like the talking search and stuff.
 
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Gitaroo

Member
TurboButts said:
Some thought after having it for a couple of a weeks:

The built in chromecast is unreliable as hell. Giant Bomb video buddy connects to it about 1/4th of the time, so I've been using my actual chromecast that I used for my previous TV. Now tonight all of a sudden my actual chromecast won't display anymore? Turns on, screen turns black and shows "Chromecast..." at the bottom like its booting up, and then screen goes blank as if there's no input. Tried in other HDMI slots and same thing. Tested on another TV, the Chromecast is fine. And now it somehow messed up HDMI 4 because now everything displays 640x480 on HDMI and I can't for the life of me figure out how to fix it. I'm looking at my Xbox dashboard in a tiny window in the middle of the screen.

I'm flabbergasted. I'm the most technically literate person I know and I have no idea what I'm doing wrong.

This, in addition to freezing issues and sluggish UI. I'm not nearly as impressed with Android TV as everyone else seems to be.

Aside from the great screen quality, I haven't had the best experience with this TV.
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The google cast crap out on my x850D once and I have to reboot the tv, other than that one time things seems to work fine. As for the hdmi issue, do you have all ports set to enhanced? I usually one have 1 port set to enhance since everything is connected to my receiver. Try only setting one port to enhanced and leave the rest as standard.
 
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osiris3355

Banned
TurboButts said:
The built in chromecast is unreliable as hell.
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Did you do the latest software update? That seems to have cleared up the Chromecast bugs for me. I have zero issues with it now. Also performance improved with the newest update as well but really it's the hardware that's the issue here. See my other reply below.


Robot Pants said:
Android tvs are gonna crash on you. Apps are definitely gonna freeze. It's android.

The picture quality alone is worth it in my opinion and the occasional crashes don't bother me enough. I think any smart tv you're gonna run into issues and freezes. But it has some cool features like the talking search and stuff.
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Wrong. It's Sony choosing a slow ass chipset. They used a mediatek with ARM A53 cores. These cores were used for the low power operations on phones and not UI performance. Sony and Mediatek totally screwed the pooch there.

Android TV fucking fly's on the Shield Android TV and Mi Box.
 
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NHale

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So I keep reading on other foruns that the 49'' can have a IPS or VA panel without being possible to know unless you actually watch the panels. The 43'' is VA panel only.

Considering I don't know much about this, can someone explain if in my case (TV only for gaming mostly in dark environment) should I be worried if I get a IPS panel instead of VA panel like the 43''?

Also does anyone here have 49'' model? I've read on rtings that the 49'' has a power brick which makes it more difficult if you use a wall mount. Isn't the power brick external, so how does it make it more difficult?

I never expected getting a new TV to be as hard as rocket science.
 
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XP_version2

Member
NHale said:
Also does anyone here have 49'' model? I've read on rtings that the 49'' has a power brick which makes it more difficult if you use a wall mount. Isn't the power brick external, so how does it make it more difficult?
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No idea about the VA/IPS thing. Think it's something to do with viewing angles? Either way, I'm still impressed with 49". Horizon 3 is a thing of beauty. But I'm sat straight on.

The power brick is humongous though, maybe even slightly larger than the one that came with the original Xbox One. I imagine that if you were wall mounting it then extra weight pulling on the cable (not to mention a massive black block dangling below your screen) would be an issue.
 
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Omnistalgic

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Man I really don't need an extensive UI on my tv...wish they gave you an option. Would rather have a stable plain Jane UI, instead of apps preinstalled, I have my own devices for all of that.

Either way, I'm waiting till next year unless I get an amazing deal on that Samsung one on Black Friday or something.
 
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julrik

Member
NHale said:
So I keep reading on other foruns that the 49'' can have a IPS or VA panel without being possible to know unless you actually watch the panels. The 43'' is VA panel only.

Considering I don't know much about this, can someone explain if in my case (TV only for gaming mostly in dark environment) should I be worried if I get a IPS panel instead of VA panel like the 43''?

Also does anyone here have 49'' model? I've read on rtings that the 49'' has a power brick which makes it more difficult if you use a wall mount. Isn't the power brick external, so how does it make it more difficult?

I never expected getting a new TV to be as hard as rocket science.
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If you are to use it in a dark environment, you should definitely hope for a VA panel. VA panels have lower black levels, but very narrow viewing angles. IPS is the other way around - lighter blacks, but very good viewing angles.

Not sure if the 49" is VA, IPS or both. Would like a definite answer to this as well, as I may buy the 49" if it has a VA panel.
 
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NHale

Member
XP_version2 said:
The power brick is humongous though, maybe even slightly larger than the one that came with the original Xbox One. I imagine that if you were wall mounting it then extra weight pulling on the cable (not to mention a massive black block dangling below your screen) would be an issue.
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That could be a issue especially if the cable is not big enough to rest the power brick on the floor. Is the cable short (less than 1 meter)?

julrik said:
If you are to use it in a dark environment, you should definitely hope for a VA panel. VA panels have lower black levels, but very narrow viewing angles. IPS is the other way around - lighter blacks, but very good viewing angles.

Not sure if the 49" is VA, IPS or both. Would like a definite answer to this as well, as I may buy the 49" if it has a VA panel.
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RTings only reviewed the 43'' (VA Panel) and because they initially said every X800D has VA panel everyone believed until a couple of people said it had IPS (proven with pictures of the pixels). I've looked at AV Forums and everyone that posted the picture of the 49'' actually have IPS panels. At this point it seems like everyone believes the 49'' has both VA and IPS panels only because of that review even considering Sony never had a panel lottery within the same model/size.

At the same time what everyone with a 49'' is saying is that they don't actually notice the lower black levels and contrast at the 49'' but they notice the better viewing angles though. Of course maybe it's placebo or they are using the TV at brighter conditions.

Unfortunately there is no way to test if I can live with this at darker conditions. Also I'm unsure to bet on a 49'' now because if the panel is different, it's possible the 49'' has a less impressive HDR/WCG and higher input lag than the 43'' rtings tested, right?

Maybe I should just buy a 43'' considering I've been using a 40'' since 2008 and I play 2m away from the TV... but I want 49'' though.
 
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greekappi

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greekappi said:
This is where I'm confused and very surprised by Sony here. They are pushing 4K and HDR with the PS4 Pro very hard but their sets seem to be lacking in the most important (to me at least) aspect of gaming on a TV and that's input lag.

I'm upgrading next fall (saving cash from now) to a Sony TV, (I always buy Sony as I think their picture quality and true to life reds and skin tones outmatch any other TV maker) but I'm wondering which one to get. Is there somewhere that lists all of Sony's input lag specs?

I'm torn between these two and can't seem to find a comprehensive list of differences.

1) http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-75-class-74-5-diag-led-2160p-smart-3d-4k-ultra-hd-tv-with-high-dynamic-range-black/4803900.p?skuId=4803900

2) http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-65...h-dynamic-range-black/5480900.p?skuId=5480900
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Can anyone help me with the difference between these two?

Also, is there a list somewhere that shows all TVs and their response time?
 
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Gitaroo

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greekappi said:
Can anyone help me with the difference between these two?

Also, is there a list somewhere that shows all TVs and their response time?
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the 65" is their newest flagship Z9D, input lag kind of sucks, around 45ms. If you are not too into competitive gaming it ok, should be one of the best 4K LCD tv around this year. The 75" is the flagship that came out earlier this year, SoC in it is slower and the input lag is most likely the same as the x930D, 100+ms outside of 1080 game mode.
 
SolVanderlyn

SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Was supposed to get here Monday, got here today. Amazing picture quality. Couldn't be happier with this TV for the price I paid. 43 inches is more than big enough for a smaller room.
 
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NHale

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So digitalfernsehende have confirmed that the 49'' is an IPS panel. Also people on AVS have taken pictures on stores that confirm that 49'' and 55'' is an IPS panel and 43'' has a VA panel.

Can a different kind of panel have an impact on the data obtained from the rtings review of the 43'' model like input lag, picture quality, etc?
 
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Tiduz

Eurogaime
got a displayport 1.2 to hdmi 2.0 adapter but still cant get 4K 60 hz, anything above 1080p is capped at 30 hz, ordered a new cable thats labeled hdmi 2.0 and is 15 meters, hope this works.
 
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mrklaw

MrArseFace
NHale said:
So digitalfernsehende have confirmed that the 49'' is an IPS panel. Also people on AVS have taken pictures on stores that confirm that 49'' and 55'' is an IPS panel and 43'' has a VA panel.

Can a different kind of panel have an impact on the data obtained from the rtings review of the 43'' model like input lag, picture quality, etc?
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Absolutely. Always be careful if you see good reviews for a TV in a different size than you're considering.
 
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Hagi

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Was looking to get the 43 but ended up with the 49 instead. Only pissed about with in built Netflix and played a little Destiny on the PS4. Quite an amazing upgrade from my last TV but it seems the blacks were crushed while watching How To Train Your Dragon on Netflix and playing Destiny. Hopefully when I mess with the settings I can fix that.
 
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wwm0nkey

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Was over a friends house who ended up getting this, man it looks great. Might sell my current plasma to help pay for one
 
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MatrixMan.EXE

Member
Saw this in person today and was blown away. Having also looked at the KS8000 in the same shop, I didn't see enough of a difference in HDR quality to justify the £500+ markup. Definitely think I'll go with the this Sony TV.
 
rokkerkory

rokkerkory

Member
Hagi said:
Was looking to get the 43 but ended up with the 49 instead. Only pissed about with in built Netflix and played a little Destiny on the PS4. Quite an amazing upgrade from my last TV but it seems the blacks were crushed while watching How To Train Your Dragon on Netflix and playing Destiny. Hopefully when I mess with the settings I can fix that.
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Good choice 43 is just too small
 
Reallink

Reallink

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Tiduz said:
got a displayport 1.2 to hdmi 2.0 adapter but still cant get 4K 60 hz, anything above 1080p is capped at 30 hz, ordered a new cable thats labeled hdmi 2.0 and is 15 meters, hope this works.
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At 15 meters you need a cable rated specifically for 18gbps assuming you want 4k 60 HDR. That may or may not apply to your 2.0 cable, you need to find some actual specs on it. That long a run you're definitely gonna need an active cable. Check monoprice.
 
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Hagi

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rokkerkory said:
Good choice 43 is just too small
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Yup I didn't really realise when I bought it just how big 49 was coming from a 37 inch Samsung lol totally worth it.

Anyone know how to get rid of the info bar that takes up some of the top screen all across horizontally? I don't know why it won't go away, just says hdmi3 and the time.
 
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Vuze

Member
Hagi said:
Yup I didn't really realise when I bought it just how big 49 was coming from a 37 inch Samsung lol totally worth it.

Anyone know how to get rid of the info bar that takes up some of the top screen all across horizontally? I don't know why it won't go away, just says hdmi3 and the time.
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That should only be present if no input signal is found at that port and you selected it? Haven't had it stay for more than a few seconds otherwise
 
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Tiduz

Eurogaime
Reallink said:
At 15 meters you need a cable rated specifically for 18gbps assuming you want 4k 60 HDR. That may or may not apply to your 2.0 cable, you need to find some actual specs on it. That long a run you're definitely gonna need an active cable. Check monoprice.
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im not from the USA, i guess ill wait a year cause these certified cables ask like 150 euros for 10 meters, im not paying that price.

Also i just saw in the manual that HDMI 2 and HDMI 3 ports support 4k 60 hz, 1 and 4 do not? unless i misunderstood.
 
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Noctis3

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Hagi said:
Yup I didn't really realise when I bought it just how big 49 was coming from a 37 inch Samsung lol totally worth it.

Anyone know how to get rid of the info bar that takes up some of the top screen all across horizontally? I don't know why it won't go away, just says hdmi3 and the time.
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Just press display on the remote it happens sometimes don't know why though. It got stuck for me a a couple of times even with a source.
 
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Vuze

Member
Yopis said:
Does this have an 8 or 10 bit panel?
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8bit + FRC according to some unofficial panel site, tested for 10bit by rtings... I don't think anyone has torn their TV apart and checked for the panel ID etc though.
Seriously sucks that manufacturers omit these informations.
 
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Cyriades

Member
Vuze said:
8bit + FRC according to some unofficial panel site, tested for 10bit by rtings... I don't think anyone has torn their TV apart and checked for the panel ID etc though.
Seriously sucks that manufacturers omit these informations.
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Rtings pretty much said along as it can display in the 10bit color range(1.07 billion colors) they don't care about the panel Tech.. they'll naming it 10bit
 
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Vuze

Member
Cyriades said:
Rtings pretty much said along as it can display in the 10bit color range(1.07 billion colors) they don't care about the panel Tech.. they'll naming it 10bit
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Yeah, that is what I was trying to say. Basically it offers what a 10bit panel offers, but they haven't confirmed whether or not the panel is a "true" 10bit.
NeoBob688 said:
There is a 55'' version? Where can I buy that (US)?
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I think it's exclusive to the EU (and perhaps other) markets, weird as it may be.
 
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Cyriades

Member
USF said:
49X800D listed | Best 3 HDR 4K TVs under $1000
http://4k.com/what-are-the-three-best-2016-hdr-4k-tvs-for-less-than-1000-these-ones-16779-2
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Before or After finding out it was IPS?

Also they're wrong on Samsung UN55KU7000

quote;

Like the X800D and P50-C1 TVs from Sony and Vizio, the KU7000 offers HDR10 high dynamic range support for color and contrast/black performance but unlike these other two TVs, it lacks support for 10-bit color, offering only 8-bit SDR TV color instead. The difference between the two color specs is no minor thing either since 8-bits translates to 16.7 million colors while 10-bits means display of 1.07 billion colors.
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Sony's X800D uses the same 8bit+FRC as Samsung's KU7000 to display 10bit color on a 8bit panel. X800D spec sheet> http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/ae99638

Vizio P50-C1 is true 10bit.
 
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Spycarnegy

Member
WHY MUST THIS DECISION BE SO HARRRRDDDD.....

Kinda wish I jumped on that 100$ off for the Vizio p50 earlier this year in May...still salty about that. It has to drop during black friday right?
 
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MatrixMan.EXE

Member
Cyriades said:
Before or After finding out it was IPS?

Also they're wrong on Samsung UN55KU7000

quote;



Sony's X800D uses the same 8bit+FRC as Samsung's KU7000 to display 10bit color on a 8bit panel. X800D spec sheet> http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/ae99638

Vizio P50-C1 is true 10bit.
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This seems to be the only place purporting that this is an 8-bit panel though. When I was in-store over the weekend I was told it's a 10-bit panel and this information is widespread on many specialist sites.
 
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Cyriades

Member
MatrixMan.EXE said:
This seems to be the only place purporting that this is an 8-bit panel though. When I was in-store over the weekend I was told it's a 10-bit panel and this information is widespread on many specialist sites.
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The industry considers 8bit+FRC 10bit. Rtings(DanielOKeeffe) post on AVS on X800D > http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...x800d-x800d-owners-thread-9.html#post46429569

I don't disagree... as-long as it can display 1.07 billion colors. But I disagree with that site naming X800D 10bit and not KU7000 when they're both using the same tech.
 
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MatrixMan.EXE

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III-V

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Cyriades said:
Sony's X800D uses the same 8bit+FRC as Samsung's KU7000 to display 10bit color on a 8bit panel. X800D spec sheet> http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/ae99638
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Uh, thats not their 'spec sheet' that just a website posting. Without actual images of the internals or something more concrete that that, it seems like speculation. Of course, it could be accurate.

If it is 8 bit + FRC, it would not be able to pass 10 bit test images that are static...

EDIT: O'Keefe says that the reason that the panel failed initial test was due to a malfunction of the test equipment, not the TV itself.

EDIT #2: Compare the static gradient images on Rtings. There is significant banding in the KU7000. The Sony X800D displays a finer step.
 
JeffG

JeffG

Member
Cyriades said:
The industry considers 8bit+FRC 10bit. Rtings(DanielOKeeffe) post on AVS on X800D > http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...x800d-x800d-owners-thread-9.html#post46429569

I don't disagree... as-long as it can display 1.07 billion colors. But I disagree with that site naming X800D 10bit and not KU7000 when they're both using the same tech.
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Thanks for that website. Allowed me to look up the Phillips 6000 series (also 8bit with FRC) but very cheap in Canada. The 55" was $900 and the 65" was $1200.
 
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BigSoftieFF

Member
Almost bought this during the weekend but after much deliberation I ended up with the KS8000. Set looks great and the price/features are outstanding but I really wanted something 55+

Can't wait till the pro hits 😁
 
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lordkosc

Member
I have the 43" Sony and its just fantastic as a PC screen. Played some Endless Legend @4k and Deux Ex Mankind Divided @1080p upscaled to 4k last night, looked great from 5 feet away. My GTX970 can't handle 4K fps at native resolutions (was getting 19 frames in DX MD), so upscaling for me till the next round of Nvidia cards come out. The colors are so much better than they were on my 6 year old 32" 1080p Samsung.
 
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peppermints

Member
Have this TV and am loving it.

Does anyone know the CPU + RAM specs for it? Running into issues playing back local files via Kodi and assuming it's because it's not allocating enough memory for buffering.
 
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infinityBCRT

Member
Cyriades said:
The industry considers 8bit+FRC 10bit. Rtings(DanielOKeeffe) post on AVS on X800D > http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...x800d-x800d-owners-thread-9.html#post46429569

I don't disagree... as-long as it can display 1.07 billion colors. But I disagree with that site naming X800D 10bit and not KU7000 when they're both using the same tech.
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Does X800D have wide color gamut? KU6290/KU7000 doesn't so it can't display HDR content in true HDR. It just can't produce the colors that are required to see HDR content in its fullest form. I'm not sure how it down scales HDR content, but whatever you are seeing probably isn't much better than non HDR 4K.
 
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Yopis

Member
BigSoftieFF said:
Almost bought this during the weekend but after much deliberation I ended up with the KS8000. Set looks great and the price/features are outstanding but I really wanted something 55+

Can't wait till the pro hits 😁
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Grabbed an ks8000 2 days ago also. Awesome tv really impressed. I will grab the Sony as a present to my mother.
 
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