chillybright
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I have a lot of Chinese-American friends in Bay Area and LA areas. Most of them have received higher education, some have master or Ph.d degrees. Some are Christian and some are not. Some have wealthy parents and some came from middle-class families. But most of them, and their churches, are voting for Donald Trump in this election. They post on facebook about their political tendency, and I have had conversations with some of them during last few months. They are voting for Trump because they will never consider voting for Democrats.
Their main reason is that Democrats, especially those in CA, are the major force to push SCA5, an amendment about Affirmative Action (AA), thus resulting a huge disadvantage for and de facto discrimination against their kids to receive higher education.
To give some perspective, UC system currently has over 35% Asian students, compared to about 15% Asian population in California. SCA5 is, however, about race quota admission instead of merit-base admission in public institutions, including UC system.
Some of my friends told me that they are fully aware that Trump is a racist and bigot brat, but SCA5 and other track record of Democrats in CA is such a deal breaker for them that they simply cannot vote for a democratic nominee. They consider it absolutely unfair for their kids to only compete with other Asian kids when applying for university and jobs in public sectors in the future. They understand the reasoning behind AA but they think it is inherently discriminating towards them when Chinese people are not considered minority in California. There is even push for policies that aim to categorize the Asian group into sub-groups such as Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc, and then implement admission quotas based on sub-groups. They find it absolutely unacceptable so they have to choose the lesser of the two evils, which results in a Trump vote. According to my friends, at least Republicans will not actively try to abolish California Proposition 209.
Honestly, if what they told me are all true, I can understand their reasoning to vote for a Republican nominee, regardless how terrible Trump is. I am not sure about the status of AA in other states, so I don't even know whether this apply at all. But do Gaffers consider AA a form of discrimination? And do you consider education for your kids when voting?
Update:
Their main reason is that Democrats, especially those in CA, are the major force to push SCA5, an amendment about Affirmative Action (AA), thus resulting a huge disadvantage for and de facto discrimination against their kids to receive higher education.
To give some perspective, UC system currently has over 35% Asian students, compared to about 15% Asian population in California. SCA5 is, however, about race quota admission instead of merit-base admission in public institutions, including UC system.
Some of my friends told me that they are fully aware that Trump is a racist and bigot brat, but SCA5 and other track record of Democrats in CA is such a deal breaker for them that they simply cannot vote for a democratic nominee. They consider it absolutely unfair for their kids to only compete with other Asian kids when applying for university and jobs in public sectors in the future. They understand the reasoning behind AA but they think it is inherently discriminating towards them when Chinese people are not considered minority in California. There is even push for policies that aim to categorize the Asian group into sub-groups such as Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc, and then implement admission quotas based on sub-groups. They find it absolutely unacceptable so they have to choose the lesser of the two evils, which results in a Trump vote. According to my friends, at least Republicans will not actively try to abolish California Proposition 209.
Honestly, if what they told me are all true, I can understand their reasoning to vote for a Republican nominee, regardless how terrible Trump is. I am not sure about the status of AA in other states, so I don't even know whether this apply at all. But do Gaffers consider AA a form of discrimination? And do you consider education for your kids when voting?
Update:
OP here. I see my anecdotal experience has "stirred some shit" here XD. The intention of my post was to share some perspectives why some people are voting for Trump, and seek discussion about SCA5 specifically.
SCA5 aims to abolish California Proposition 209, and the point of California Proposition 209 is that "the state constitution to prohibit state governmental institutions from considering race, sex, or ethnicity, specifically in the areas of public employment, public contracting, and public education". To me this is the definition of equal opportunity: no racism, sexism etc is allowed at all in admission or employment. And in terms of political position this is quite far on the left, no? So how come a left-wing party in California actively tries to abolish it? And how is it not racism? Shouldn't admission and employment be based on merit and merit alone? Hardship and family background can be fully taken into consideration as merit, regardless of race or sex. That is where I don't understand.
Also, my friends are definitely my anecdotal experience, I was not trying to argue beyond that. But what is not anecdotal though, is the source one of my friends keeps posting on social media. Most of her posts are from Zhihu, a Chinese website that is dedicated to spread expert knowledge and insights into various topics. The website is quite successful at doing so and it is highly regarded among young generation. The website operates as reddit r/ELI5 with top answer as the most upvoted ones. If you go to that website and search for US16 election, you will see many top posters cites various reasons why they are voting for Trump.
For example this post (it is in Chinese, duh) asks the question "If you are a Chinese who have live in the U.S. more than 2 years, who will you vote for?", and all top answers (with hundreds or thousands upvotes) would vote for Trump, citing feel oppressed under the reign of democratic party. The top answer cited various historical evidence to argue that "whenever Chinese people worked very hard to gain an advantage, there will always be a political force trying to eliminate such advantage under the mask of law, tax, or equality". The examples includes the "foreign miner's tax" in 1850 to drive Chinese out of mining industry, "Fisherman's tax" and Scott Act to drive Chinese out of fishing industry, Yick Wo v. Hopkins to drive Chinese out of laundry business, and the most recent ones being SCA5 and AB1726 spun by democratic party.
Who knows, that post and website might be an Trump echo chamber, but I can guarantee it is nothing like r/Donald but the exact opposite. They mostly cite sources when making an argument and most of the time the reasons are sound, at least at the first glance. But the lop-sided answers do however, influence many Chinese voters to "not vote for democrats" in the upcoming election, including my friends and other potential voters who upvoted those answers.
Also I saw someone posted an interesting poll graph. What is the source for that graph? What is the demographics for the poll? Is it from one state or national-wide? And how skewed is the case in California?