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Most of my Chinese-American friends in CA are voting for Trump, mainly for education

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I have a lot of Chinese-American friends in Bay Area and LA areas. Most of them have received higher education, some have master or Ph.d degrees. Some are Christian and some are not. Some have wealthy parents and some came from middle-class families. But most of them, and their churches, are voting for Donald Trump in this election. They post on facebook about their political tendency, and I have had conversations with some of them during last few months. They are voting for Trump because they will never consider voting for Democrats.

Their main reason is that Democrats, especially those in CA, are the major force to push SCA5, an amendment about Affirmative Action (AA), thus resulting a huge disadvantage for and de facto discrimination against their kids to receive higher education.

To give some perspective, UC system currently has over 35% Asian students, compared to about 15% Asian population in California. SCA5 is, however, about race quota admission instead of merit-base admission in public institutions, including UC system.

Some of my friends told me that they are fully aware that Trump is a racist and bigot brat, but SCA5 and other track record of Democrats in CA is such a deal breaker for them that they simply cannot vote for a democratic nominee. They consider it absolutely unfair for their kids to only compete with other Asian kids when applying for university and jobs in public sectors in the future. They understand the reasoning behind AA but they think it is inherently discriminating towards them when Chinese people are not considered minority in California. There is even push for policies that aim to categorize the Asian group into sub-groups such as Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc, and then implement admission quotas based on sub-groups. They find it absolutely unacceptable so they have to choose the lesser of the two evils, which results in a Trump vote. According to my friends, at least Republicans will not actively try to abolish California Proposition 209.

Honestly, if what they told me are all true, I can understand their reasoning to vote for a Republican nominee, regardless how terrible Trump is. I am not sure about the status of AA in other states, so I don't even know whether this apply at all. But do Gaffers consider AA a form of discrimination? And do you consider education for your kids when voting?

Update:

OP here. I see my anecdotal experience has "stirred some shit" here XD. The intention of my post was to share some perspectives why some people are voting for Trump, and seek discussion about SCA5 specifically.

SCA5 aims to abolish California Proposition 209, and the point of California Proposition 209 is that "the state constitution to prohibit state governmental institutions from considering race, sex, or ethnicity, specifically in the areas of public employment, public contracting, and public education". To me this is the definition of equal opportunity: no racism, sexism etc is allowed at all in admission or employment. And in terms of political position this is quite far on the left, no? So how come a left-wing party in California actively tries to abolish it? And how is it not racism? Shouldn't admission and employment be based on merit and merit alone? Hardship and family background can be fully taken into consideration as merit, regardless of race or sex. That is where I don't understand.

Also, my friends are definitely my anecdotal experience, I was not trying to argue beyond that. But what is not anecdotal though, is the source one of my friends keeps posting on social media. Most of her posts are from Zhihu, a Chinese website that is dedicated to spread expert knowledge and insights into various topics. The website is quite successful at doing so and it is highly regarded among young generation. The website operates as reddit r/ELI5 with top answer as the most upvoted ones. If you go to that website and search for US16 election, you will see many top posters cites various reasons why they are voting for Trump.

For example this post (it is in Chinese, duh) asks the question "If you are a Chinese who have live in the U.S. more than 2 years, who will you vote for?", and all top answers (with hundreds or thousands upvotes) would vote for Trump, citing feel oppressed under the reign of democratic party. The top answer cited various historical evidence to argue that "whenever Chinese people worked very hard to gain an advantage, there will always be a political force trying to eliminate such advantage under the mask of law, tax, or equality". The examples includes the "foreign miner's tax" in 1850 to drive Chinese out of mining industry, "Fisherman's tax" and Scott Act to drive Chinese out of fishing industry, Yick Wo v. Hopkins to drive Chinese out of laundry business, and the most recent ones being SCA5 and AB1726 spun by democratic party.

Who knows, that post and website might be an Trump echo chamber, but I can guarantee it is nothing like r/Donald but the exact opposite. They mostly cite sources when making an argument and most of the time the reasons are sound, at least at the first glance. But the lop-sided answers do however, influence many Chinese voters to "not vote for democrats" in the upcoming election, including my friends and other potential voters who upvoted those answers.

Also I saw someone posted an interesting poll graph. What is the source for that graph? What is the demographics for the poll? Is it from one state or national-wide? And how skewed is the case in California?
 
From work I've done at a southern major university, a lot of admission counselors told me that Asian Americans often don't write down their correct race because of competition and AA.

Food for thought.
 

Mesoian

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So, in short, we'll vote for the guy who wants to keep people like me from coming to this country in the same way my parents did because fuck them, I got mine?

Sounds like a lot of republicans advocating for Trump.
 
Something has to be done.
Chinese cram schools are a crazy thing. Most selective public education spots in sydney are taken in Australia by ethnically Chinese kids and most of them got in because their dragon mom's put them in a succession of cram schools (owned and operated by Chinese) that prep the kids to max out the score on tests that are supposedly can't be gamed. But they can because the science of testing iq is imperfect and a government run program is imperfect etc etc. The cram schools have the stats and drill the kids till they drop. It's free selective place or die. And that continues right up thru uni. But the universities have already sold out they get more money from overseas students on study visas so that's what they admit. It's supposed to be a multi cultural society but it's turning into a mono culture of second generation Chinese, or overseas Chinese.
 

Fusebox

Banned
The world is on fire but everything will be okay if your kid can just make it to University...

Something has to be done.
Chinese cram schools are a crazy thing. Most selective public education spots in sydney are taken in Australia by ethnically Chinese kids and most of them got in because their dragon mom's put them in a succession of cram schools (owned and operated by Chinese) that prep the kids to max out the score on tests that are supposedly can't be gamed. But they can because the science of testing iq is imperfect and a government run program is imperfect etc etc. The cram schools have the stats and drill the kids till they drop. It's free selective place or die. And that continues right up thru uni. But the universities have already sold out they get more money from overseas students on study visas so that's what they admit. It's supposed to be a multi cultural society but it's turning into a mono culture of second generation Chinese, or overseas Chinese.

Different country, different issue man.

And it's Tiger Mum btw, not Dragon Mom.
 

see5harp

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it wasn't until much later in life I realized that not getting into your first choice school wasn't life and death. No one ever looks at their dentists degree and says hey you didn't even go to a top 50 school fuck this you can't clean my teeth. If these kids have the grades to get into ucb, ucla, and ucsd, they would have little problem getting into top state schools across the country. I don't know why they all insist on going to Irvine.
 
I mean you can vote locally republican and still not trump.

This feels like they are cutting their noses off.

But I respect their opinion. Its actually a valid one. I can't say that often.
 
Why do they think voting for Trump will stop that, he's running for president of the US. They should be voting for Republican Senators and Assemblymembers.
 

Bebpo

Banned
Splitting Asian into separate ethnicities based on country makes a lot of sense. Calling everyone from Asia general Asian seems a bit old fashioned in today's date.
 

double jump

you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
Taking the short term loss for the long term gain. Must be nice to have options.
 

pigeon

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wikipedia said:
The following Asian American organizations supported SCA 5:[7]

* Asian Americans Advancing Justice | Asian Law Caucus
* UC Asian American & Pacific Islander Policy Multicampus Research Program (AAPI Policy MRP)
* National Commission on Asian American and Pacific Islander Research in Education (CARE)
* Chinese for Affirmative Action
* The Civil Rights Project
* Asian Pacific Americans for Higher Education (APAHE)
* Southeast Asia Resource Center (SEARAC)
* Hmong Innovating Politics (HIP)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Constitutional_Amendment_No._5

I'm unsympathetic, and voting for Trump is morally unacceptable.
 
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Stay mad
 

ReAxion

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You are not very bright if you think voting for the impossible is going to change what the state assembly does.
 

Kwixotik

Member
The world will burn, but at least my kid will hold a degree from the nearest state University as the water wars begin

Also: what the fuck does presidential nominee Trump have to do with state affirmative action policies in California?
 

Flo_Evans

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Affirmative action is a bad solution to a bad problem IMHO. Making higher education a competition instead of a right is at the root of it.
 
Affirmative action is a bad solution to a bad problem IMHO. Making higher education a competition instead of a right is at the root of it.

Even if we had free college in the US, AA would still be necessary because college's still need to accept students, and not all colleges have equal standards
 
Being religious and being from money probably makes a person more apt to vote for the republican candidate. They may say it's for education but it's probably not their actual reason.
 

studyguy

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"Good luck."

-The Hispanic voters in California.

To be fair, Filipinos are the next largest Asian voting block in CA that rival Chinese at this point and from all senses it seems like they dropped Trump hard as a motherfucker after he called them terrorists and wanting to ban immigration from the Philippines a while back. I didn't hear much about it but apparently it ran for weeks on Filipino news outlets. Remember hitting up a debut for a friend's niece and a lot of unkind shit was said about that man between drinks lmao.

Oh... nevermind apparently Filipinos outnumber Chinese in CA since 2013?
 

Brakke

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Hey goofballs you can't use "AA" as an abbreviation in a thread about Affirmative Action and Asian Americans.
 
Affirmative action is a bad solution to a bad problem IMHO. Making higher education a competition instead of a right is at the root of it.

I disagree. Also most people can achieve an higher education. It's an issue for certain people that they didn't get into Yale, but they got into their state school.


People can't face the fact that their application is bland.

One example let's imagine two demographics are applying for Yale:

Chinese-American
Wealthy
4.0 GPA out of 5.0 GPA (took 20+ AP courses)
Simple community service
No job experience (they are wealthy so they did not have to get a job)
Graduated from a top tier high school
(300+ applicants that fit this profile)

vs

Latina
Lower-Middle Class
4.0 GPA out of 5.0 GPA (took 3 AP courses because that is all her school offered)
A lot of community service (active in her local church which helped her stay focus in life)
Some job experience (had to buy her own luxury items)
Graduated from a poor performing school district
(~50 applicants that fit this profile)

Top tier universities (think top 30 within any given year) care about seeing an underdog story and they do not want to get the same narrative in their starting classes. Diversity of thought is extremely valuable for recruiting departments.
 
The world is on fire but everything will be okay if your kid can just make it to University...



Different country, different issue man.

And it's Tiger Mum btw, not Dragon Mom.

Tiger mum yep.
Different country
Same issue.
ANU (a big Australian uni) is going to put a quota system.similarly because.68% of their students are erhnically Chinese.

Anyway lol at anyone not white thinking trump will help them if he gets voted in he would do much worse for the ABCs it's just his attention isn't there yet..
 
There are only so many seats in California for admission. There has to be a way to balance merit with having a representative student population. Asians are already extremely overrepresented in California admissions versus the population if the article in the OP is to be believed.

Cali also isn't the end all be all to good to great education in the US. These applicants are free to apply to schools all over the country. Good chance tuition is lower and they'd earn more merit scholarships anyway. There is more to higher education in the US than the top 25 US News/Ivy schools.

This just seems like the UT Austin girl that was slapped down by the SCOTUS earlier this year. And clearly it's unbecoming of an educated person to prefer a clear racist, who by the way, shits all over China all of the time, to vote for a person like Trump.
 

Borgnine

MBA in pussy licensing and rights management
Their votes for Trump aren't going to count anyway. They'd be better spent on anyone else as a rejection of this type of candidate.
 

norm9

Member
I disagree. Also most people can achieve an higher education. It's an issue for certain people that they didn't get into Yale, but that got into their state school.


People can't face the fact that their application is bland.

One example:

Chinese-American
Wealthy
4.0 GPA out of 5.0 GPA (took 20+ AP courses)
Simple community service
No job experience (they are wealthy so they did not have to get a job)
Graduated from a top tier high school

vs

Latina
Lower-Middle Class
4.0 GPA out of 5.0 GPA (took 3 AP courses because that is all her school offered)
A lot of community service (active in her local church which helped her stay focus in life)
Some job experience (had to buy her own luxury items)
Graduated from a poor performing school district

You can change it to a poor Chinese kid and he's still out of luck though.
 
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