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Behold Nintendo Switch (March 2017, Hybrid w/ Dock, Detachable Controllers, Nvidia)
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I Wanna Be The Guy
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The gamecube right stick was shit, the sticks didn't click and it didn't have as many shoulder buttons as other controllers. It also didn't even have a select button. The only reason I ever wanted a gamecube controller is because it was the only way to play gamecube games. Now we don't even need that!
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Not true at all. The second screen functionality of Wii U games would have to go, yes, but remember that all Wii U games were playable on just the gamepad. They were all playable on one screen. All NS would have to do for Wii U fuctionality is run the games as if they're being played in off tv mode.
Outside of Nintendo Land i'm having a hard time thinking of a game that can't be played with one screen. Maybe Starfox Zero? That's really it. Pretty much everything else is UI stuff which can be implemented by a press of a button to swap them.
I think porting Wii U games or even putting them in the virtual console will work just fine.
Joelstinton14
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I think this will happen in some form, there was there very good concept art that showed Tetris being played in Portrait mode, amongst loads of others.
But what as me excited. Virtual Console with Joy cons designed to emulate the system they are from.
As with the gamecube design above, Gameboy, nes, snes, with their own design. N64....well i'm not sure how that is going to work haha.
Incorrect.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Give me an example. Every single game I own can be played off tv. If there are exceptions then there are sobfew that is irrelevant. Just don't release those few games on the system in that case.
JoshuaJSlone
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Yeah, there's no simple logic to it. Like GameCube with its small discs. In Japan they used cases about the size of their GBA releases (which were themselves smaller than their western counterparts), while in the west they used full-size DVD cases.
Considering they now do the half-assed cases with holes in them anyway, I wish they'd just cut to the chase and use nice solid small ones.
As PSP and Vita have had some legit versions of not-ancient console games, I expect Switch is an obvious successor in this regard.Rogue Agent said:
It's not like they haven't put major Mario and Zelda close before. Super Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker were really close, moreso in Japan where they were both late 2002 than in the west where Zelda was early 2003. They've got enough major games they can't keep them all separaed by big gaps, especially if they're combining resources into one platform now.self_aware_keyboard said:
Same here. Late last year I bought a ~$100 Win10 tablet from a Chinese manufacturer that I'm very impressed with for the price, but as far as playable gaming it pretty much tops out at Fallout New Vegas at very low settings (and for about 2 hours on the battery). Given that, I did try a few other things like JC2 and Skyrim, but they wouldn't even launch properly let alone see how they would've performed at low settings.felipepl said:
It's not like AC has been a stranger to home releases, but it will be pretty nice to have the same town at home and on the go.AzaK said:
They don't HAVE to. If they're mostly the same game, they're not projects they've blown a lot of budget on, and merely selling to the massive crowd who didn't have Wii Us should be fine. How many other games that got rereleased from PS3->PS4, X360->Xbone, Wii->WiiU had cheap upgrade options?DownGrader said:
Yeah, I'm curious about how far that will go myself. I mean, easy to see 3DS game saves that took minor space, but something like Skyrim that on other versions allows unlimited save slots and saves that get into the megabytes?PSFan said:
Yeah. Glasses-free 3D isn't perfect (even on N3DS the ghosting can be bad with the wrong game), but stereoscopic with something like 640x720 resolution per eye would be pretty nice.m00h said:
I don't know how much Nintendo would consider that helping. Nintendo wants people to buy Skyrim Switch, not stream Skyrim they bought on Steam 5 years ago.N.Grim said:
As a standard, sure. Though I might guess the way it's actually done will vary by release, or allow multiple options for every game. For instance, games that primarily played on one screen while the other was a status or map screen, it might be better to have the primary screen be scaled larger than the status/map screen. Or in some cases the map screen could even be made a small transparent overlay, mimicing how single-screen games usually do it.Living the Dream said:
Most games that forced the dual screen use cut out the possibility. Game & Wario, LEGO City, Tokyo Mirage Sessions come to mind from my own library.I Wanna Be The Guy said:
brochiller
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There was an off angle shot of the bottom somebody grabbed from the trailer and it did kind of look like USB Type C. It was really hard to tell though.
Lightning_Roller
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cringe
Yeah, it was kinda stupid wasn't it?
I'll just be on my way then.
Walks away into the sunset to the tune of the Incredible Hulk hitch hiking theme.
TheMoon
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Here's a few easy ones...
Nintendo Land, ZombiU, Affordable Space Adventures, Star Fox Zero, Kirby Rainbow Curse, Splatoon, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, Fatal Frame, Captain Toad, Game & Wario, Lego City Undercover, Star Fox Guard...
All the others would require rejiggering to boot into Off-TV Mode which works differently for many games. This isn't as straightforward as you make it sound.
Has anyone noticed this yet? if this are ventilation apertures, maybe has a fan.
Was among the first things discussed, yes.
Chances are, the GameCube controller adapter for Wii U will be supported by the dock.That'd be implying that Nintendo isn't gonna make us fork over more dough for THIS:
Last_colossi
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Has anyone noticed this yet? if this are ventilation apertures, maybe has a fan.
My guess would be that the fan is there for when it is docked and ramps up along with the clock speed of the Tegra chip, when on the go I'd imagine the console would go in a low power/portable state that doesn't require or barely requires the fan for cooling and because the internal display is only 720p paired with maybe some game optimisation on the developers part (dropping fps to 30 in some games maybe) should make the same games fully playable on the go for a couple of hours depending on what kind of battery Nintendo decides to throw in this thing (hopefully a decent one).
Either way, I'm super hyped and it's a day one buy for me just based on the fact that you can play MK8, Zelda and Skyrim on the go.
test_account
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When the Vita was launched, some people here said that one reason why it sold poorly was because people didnt want console-like games on a handheld. They rather wanted bit sized games that were easy to pick up and play. I'm curious of anyone has changed their mind on this, especially now with Nintendo Switch?
Personally, i think console like games have been on handheld all the way since the first Gameboy, so for me its no major difference. Just curious if anyone has changed their mind on this.
EDIT: Fixed a typo.
Personally, i think console like games have been on handheld all the way since the first Gameboy, so for me its no major difference. Just curious if anyone has changed their mind on this.
EDIT: Fixed a typo.
brochiller
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More evidence that the spot indicated by the blue arrow in that pic is an air intake.
It will definitely be important for them to implement a decent stand-by mode or something similar. You want to be able to un-dock it, put it in a bag, and then bring it out later and pick up right where you left off. There should be no waiting for it to start up or having to save your game. Just take out and play.
shira
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More evidence that the spot indicated by the blue arrow in that pic is an air intake.
That's a double
More evidence that the spot indicated by the blue arrow in that pic is an air intake.
It will definitely be important for them to implement a decent stand-by mode or something similar. You want to be able to un-dock it, put it in a bag, and then bring it out later and pick up right where you left off. There should be no waiting for it to start up or having to save your game. Just take out and play.
Looks pretty concrete to me. I just hope the fans aren't too loud. It seems like most modern console manufacturers do not consider noise pollution.
The bolded can easily be played on a single screen, hell one of them is already being ported to Switch.
Obviously there needs to be some 'rejigging' as you pointed out but all the bolded games can be played on one screen with almost Zero value lost.
I don't know about game and Wario, Affordable Space adventures, Lego City Undercover, or Starfox Guard. But they are still in the minority compared to the full library of Wii U games.
Last_colossi
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I've always wanted to have console-like games on the go and it's one of the reasons why I bought a vita at launch, but even though the Vita is a great handheld the lack of triggers, clickable full size thumbsticks and full size buttons are the real turnoffs for me, don't get me wrong the Vita has some fantastic games but I'd honestly just be more comfortable playing them on my PS4 if I could.
TheMoon
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You're now talking about ports and no longer about virtual console. This is an entirely different argument now. Wii U games as they are simply don't work. You can port anything to anything else. You could play Wii Sports on the DS.
Cheeseman Battitude
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That's a double
That's a pretty shitty scratched finish around those vents.
Thanks!
broncobuster
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More evidence that the spot indicated by the blue arrow in that pic is an air intake.
It will definitely be important for them to implement a decent stand-by mode or something similar. You want to be able to un-dock it, put it in a bag, and then bring it out later and pick up right where you left off. There should be no waiting for it to start up or having to save your game. Just take out and play.
Could be intakes or speakers. Without shots of the bottom of the tablet, it's hard to tell.
Actually, speakers might be the two small slits on the bottom of the bezel.
Dark Cloud
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More evidence that the spot indicated by the blue arrow in that pic is an air intake.
It will definitely be important for them to implement a decent stand-by mode or something similar. You want to be able to un-dock it, put it in a bag, and then bring it out later and pick up right where you left off. There should be no waiting for it to start up or having to save your game. Just take out and play.
i bet that space in the dock is for the power cable. it's only on one side while the ns has two "intakes".
Virtual console doesn't need to include every single game out there. It can be select games, and the majority of games on the Wii U can be present on the virtual console without much hassle, including some of the games on your list.
The rest can appear as remasters or ports. The difference between what I'm talking about and Wii Sports on the DS is the fact that you will still get the exact same experience with no value lost. That's my point.
In short, any game that supports Off-TV play is doable on Switch.
EDIT: I realized that I said "all" games are playable on Switch. Which you proven to be folly. But by and large most games on the Wii U can still be played on the Switch so my point still stands on that lol.
ShockingAlberto
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Zombi U and Lego City Undercover off the top of my head.
brochiller
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Pretty sure we've seen the speakers on the front of the tablet. Plus putting an air intake on the bottoms wouldn't make much sense since it would be blocked the majority of the time.
Graphics Horse
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Blocked by what?
I think there's enough evidence to say there's active air cooling, and it's only going one direction on the top edge.
Dark Cloud
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The tablet has holes on the top. I thought those holes were for air?
jts
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Pencil holders.
theSlacker
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More evidence that the spot indicated by the blue arrow in that pic is an air intake.
Well I now see the reason for that little indent in the back of that side of the base.
brochiller
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Blocked by the table you're sitting it on or the dock itself.
LordRaptor
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I still don't think people want to play stuff like TPS games on a handheld and that handhelds are more suited for 'bitesized' gameplay that can be easily stopped / started at any moment.
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What the switch actually is doesn't particularly impact that thinking.
shira
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Why would you need speakers on the side of the dock that is facing opposite the viewer?
The bottom right picture is not the dock its the car stand bracket.
Nintendo is also better at bite sized video game experiences than most other developers. I'd argue that most of their console games are nicely playable in bite sized chunks in general.
broncobuster
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The (incorrect) hypotheses was to not cover speakers, but upon inspection I see the two small holes on the front of the tablet. Sometimes tablets down or rear fire audio to maximize the screen real estate.
That'd be implying that Nintendo isn't gonna make us fork over more dough for THIS:
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air gets sucked in through the back vents, passes over the circuitry to cool it, and exits through the top vents
or the Switch has lungs
whatever is more plausible
That's a double
Hmm, seeing that the support has also those holes, does that mean that the active cooling works also in handheld mode?
I'm really interested to see how the Joy-Con feel when used in each hand.
I am a big fan of ergonomics of using the Wii Remote + Nunchuk combo. It's by far the most comfortable way to play games IMO. Resting one wrist on each knee while sitting on the couch feels amazing, as does laying downing and letting each hand simply fall where they want.
I'm typing this from my laptop while laying down, and I can definitely see myself playing a lot of Switch in a similar position with the screen resting on my knees and one Joy-Con in each hand.
I am a big fan of ergonomics of using the Wii Remote + Nunchuk combo. It's by far the most comfortable way to play games IMO. Resting one wrist on each knee while sitting on the couch feels amazing, as does laying downing and letting each hand simply fall where they want.
I'm typing this from my laptop while laying down, and I can definitely see myself playing a lot of Switch in a similar position with the screen resting on my knees and one Joy-Con in each hand.
Ahah, I wanted to photoshop this a couple days ago. Splitting the GC keyboard controller in two and putting the screen in between.
While I agree that Wii U VC is out of the question and any Wii U games that make it over will make it over through porting, I don't think that Wii games are out of the question, even if they have to make a special line of Switch-branded Wiimotes for it. Especially now that so many third parties are theoretically supporting it and all have huge back catalogues of Wii shit to dump onto a VC, they'd be crazy to ignore the possibility. Sega alone could dump dozens of Wii titles onto the VC.
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