Ultra Numb
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I think what makes Negan scary is that he's up front about things. He isn't trying to hide what they're all about like The Governor or the Termites.
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The Walking Dead Season 7, Part 1 Sundays on AMC
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J_Macgrady
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Why are some people acting like Glenn didn't shoot a bunch of Negan's people and stabbed someone in the head while they were sleeping? I know the show is focused on this group and that's why everyone grows attached to these characters, but let's not act like they were saints.
-Pyromaniac-
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I agree that in hindsight I think it was a good decision to end before the kill. Seeing it all play out and then having that moment with all of them sitting there and then driving home was just perfect.
Not to excuse them, but they did it quickly, and not torturing them.
SuperSonic1305
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Why are they so afraid of the F word on this show? Didn't Breaking Bad use it frequently on the same network?
Yes and all his friends and his son dies. Sounds great.
SneakySneaks
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No, it was always muted. Mr. Robot did on USA though, and it was uncensored too. No advertisers or viewers really cared (in a bad way, most thought it was a good thing), but they muted in that show after the season 2 premier anyways.
Keyser Soze
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It's all about selling commercials and for silly reasons swearing is worse than gore
...and no Breaking Bad was not allowed it. It was allowed less as far as I remember.
At least TWD is going to get a Blu-ray cut for a whole bunch of Negan scenes.
Lasthope106
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Because it felt manufactured to me, and they were squeezing every last drop they could. They didn't immediately show who died. We had to go on this mini trip where Rick flashbacks. Then we finally see who died, but oh wait, they start showing others getting killed. So now you are feeling like they are still trying to confuse you about who actually died. Just be done with it already. IMO it would have been a lot better if they had shown the killing scenes right away. So you have that, but they are still intent on emotionally destroying you with the whole "Get my axe" sequence, and then the "Cut the Hand."
I get it. They are being broken down. The only thing I did appreciate was the teasing of whether Rick was going to get his hand cut off. That did keep me on the edge of my seat.
In other shows, that want to show you and intense moment, there is build up, and that build up is earned. The Walking Dead has not earned any payoffs for a long time. It's just shock value.
And at this point is not the show I have an issue with. It's the whole Walking Dead story. It's never ending, and this cycle of finding a new place, meeting bad people, surviving, shit hitting the fan, and finding a new place is not exciting anymore.
Seductivpancakes
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I never saw them as saints, but let's also not pretend they murdered those people for shits and giggles. Glenn didn't want to do it and his face was visibly disgusted after he did it the first time. Heck it was an awful experience didn't want Heath to go through the same thing.
J_Macgrady
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I honestly don't think that difference matters that much. It's not like the Saviors came to Rick's group in the first place.
I'm just not seeing how someone who's been watching this show since Day 1 or near that can try to act like they're somehow above what they saw last night. It was fucked up and I wasn't even 100% comfortable with what was shown, but we've seen fucked up shit happen throughout this entire series. Just because said fucked up shit was done in a different way doesn't make the other stuff that happened less worse by a big margin.
Remember Rick's group were the ones who said let's kill them so we can get more stuff from Jesus' group. Morgan even warned them that they shouldn't do it. Rick and everyone felt overconfident and now that someone out there is crazier than they are they're like "please don't hurt us."
Even if Glenn didn't feel right doing it, you can't erase the fact that he killed those people. They're the heroes to us and Negan was this crazy before he met this group, but this is the one time where the bad guys didn't come to them first so things are a bit more complicated.
More_Badass
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That hasn't been the cycle for at almost two seasons Now it's protect new home, meet and maybe form alliances with new groups.
Lasthope106
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Because it has. This show has covered every possible thing they might deal with before. They just keep coming up with a bigger bad guy. I didn't like it in Dragon Ball Z and I certainly don't like it here.
I haven't kept up with the comics, but I'm going to guess that after Negan they are going to get their "Cell," and then another more powerful bad guy with a higher power level, more characters will die, and it just will keep doing what The Walking Dead does.
Lasthope106
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It was pretty gross. I did appreciate they had him talk. That really increased the disturbing factor and made me remember that scene in The Fly.
The shot of Glenn's destroyed... everything starting from the bottom of the neck while his left hand twitched bothered me way more than the eyeball. My friend who doesn't watch the show asked if this was worse than the elevator scene in Drive, to which I said it's about 100 times worse. Equivalent to the fire hydrant scene from Irreversible.
Yeah, Christ. That type of head trauma/trying to talk always gets me.
Seductivpancakes
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Yes you are right, they did attack first, but they saw them as future threats. They just managed to be smart about it and got a deal out of it with Jesus's group out of it.
I'm not ignoring, pretending they didn't or erasing that they killed those people. They did what they thought was best for them, and their neighbors. They actually sort of validated their reasons for doing so when they found all those Polaroids on the wall of one of the Saviors. Rick's group most definitely did not torture, coerce them into submission, or make examples of them.
Again, I don't see them as saints, or even heroes, but I don't think the context is the between the two groups actions and reasons are the same.
I think the Saviors would have found them eventually tho.
PadWarrior
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My wife finally watched and almost turned it off when she thought Rick was gonna chop off Carl's arm. Had to tell her to just watch.
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Vilix
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I'm rooting for Negan. Disaster and death follow Rick and company where ever they go. I've seen them as the bad guys for sometime.
J_Macgrady
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I think they would have found them eventually as well and maybe nobody would have died if they just played by the rules.
I'm just not going to look at killing someone and torturing someone before they die as two things completely different from each other in TWD when the result is the same. One thing isn't more "pure" than the other. People are still dying.
Hidden One
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Yeah when they were in that RV I'm pretty sure Rick could've handled Negan but he probably knew that there was no way the others would survive even if he pulled up in the RV and started firing at Negans group. They were out numbered and out gunned.
TrojanBlade
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Damn!!!!! That was one of the best episode of TWD in a while....I don't know how they can top this the rest of the season, except eventually when Negan will get his ass kicked by Rick (maybe?). Good thing I didn't see last night in my bed...I couldn't have slept after this. Just wow.
I must say Rick's acting was amazing. You could literally see him change from being a bad ass to a guy with no control. Amazing.
I must say Rick's acting was amazing. You could literally see him change from being a bad ass to a guy with no control. Amazing.
Well... Maggie's got a half-Asian baby on the way! I'm sure the pregnancy will go fine, it'll be a boy, then Glenn Jr. and Judith will grow up together, happy and healthy.
*sigh* baby Glenn is doomed. 
Razgriz-Specter
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WB better figure out a way to do damn Flashpoint Batman staring JDM and Maggie as the Joker asap.
MadLaughter
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My favorite thing about terrible TV moments is the reaction videos that come from it.
Any good ones for last night's ep? I tried looking it up, my google-fu was weak.
Any good ones for last night's ep? I tried looking it up, my google-fu was weak.
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I'm just thinking. It would have been awesome to have Abe killed in the S6 finale. And then have Glen get killed in the S7 opener. Have the audience thinking that everyone's safe, then BAM. There goes a Day one. You guys think that would have been cool or nah?
I said as much on reddit. It would've been far more shocking to have the opening be a continuation of that scene. It would've solved the cliff-hanger problem of last season AND gave the same shock because you'd be like "oh well they already killed the person they intended." NOPE.
Lasthope106
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Yeap that would have been awesome IMO. It would have made everyone let their guards down, and then BOOM. I kind of felt some of that with this episode, but I would have been devastated had they done what you described.
I know right lol
MulderYuffie
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Yeah his wandering off is what got Glenn captured in the first place that shit is all on him.
I know they filmed everyone getting the bop, but I'm not sure how detailed. Here's Maggie getting it. I'm sure its been posted.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=lI9D2-HbAY4
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=lI9D2-HbAY4
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Goddamn. This woulda caused even more uproar
Lumpy Onion
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Same here. That was some harrowing imagery that stuck with me.
The "I'll find you" is more gut-wrenching to me.
Totally. Mustering out his final words to his pregnant wife after literally having his skull bashed in...
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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Could anyone makeout what Glen was trying to say when he got hit in the head?
Fuck, he's never going to forgive himself. I mean look how he took Denise's death and he didn't even know her that long. Hopefully after 6 seasons of being a hothead he's finally learned. Going to be interesting to see what the writers do with him now going forward.Well, he doesn't have to worry about Daryl anymore. Seems like he'll be pretty broken for a while.
Also I just love how badass Carl was during that whole situation. Never looked away during the beatings and was willing to lose his arm for the group. Dad, just do it,". He's going to be more savage than season 3 Carl after all that shit.
"Maggie, I'll find you."
killer rin
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This is my main complaint. This proposed scene would have been less aggravating and would have garnered much more shock than what they did this episode. Kill someone off in the last episode of the previous season and suddenly everyone will think the rest of the crew is safe... until BAM Glen is now dead out of nowhere as well. It would completely subvert everyone's expectations
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
https://youtu.be/NSyeLiY6Zw4
The Double Toasted crew did a live viewing. They went into how after Abraham died, everyone thought that was it.
First 21 minutes is them predicting who will get it. After that is their reaction.
Agreed. When he first hit Glenn I was upset, then when Glenn sat up with his exposed eye I was sickened, but it wasn't until he says those words that my heart broke
. I wasn't even a big Glenn fan to begin with but it hurt. They delivered lol. By the way, that last shot of him demolished, dead and twitching on the ground is an example of them resorting to shock factor where it wasn't needed in my opinion.
RomanceDawn
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I say yes it is. I read the comic and my stomach was still turning.
I had never seen any piece of fiction in my life that had such an unsettling affect on me as Glen's death in the comic. This was darn near the exact same thing only live action.
In my 30 years I've seen some nasty, repugnant shit across movies, cable TV shows and premium TV channel shows. In those 30 years, I can only count on one hand how many times I actually found myself looking away and gagging.... this was one of those times
.EDIT: The emotional aspect of it makes it 100x worse than in the comic.
zkorejo
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In my 30 years I've seen some nasty, repugnant shit across movies, cable TV shows and premium TV channel shows. In those 30 years, I can only count on one hand how many times I actually found myself looking away and gagging.... this was one of those times
EDIT: The emotional aspect of it makes it 100x worse than in the comic.
I agree with every bolded word!
Negan is officially my most hated tv character.
I just thought about it for 5 more minutes. I think this is the only TWD episode that got me so hard. GOT has done it a few times but I never took TWD seriously because it has always been the "Rick and Co. Wins LOL".
I actually thought Rick was going to chop off the kids arm.
Glenn's death was.... seriously disturbing.
Just watched the episode today. I got spoiled however from some YouTube comment while listening to this today.
https://youtu.be/Q9aM9Ch97U8
I read the comics too but man. Seeing the exact same thing in live action...why you gotta make me live that twice AND more gruesome.
It hurt both times. An original cast member. Rick and Glenn been tearing shit up since season 1 episode 2!
I hope they fill that open Asian cast members spot.
https://youtu.be/Q9aM9Ch97U8
I read the comics too but man. Seeing the exact same thing in live action...why you gotta make me live that twice AND more gruesome.
It hurt both times. An original cast member. Rick and Glenn been tearing shit up since season 1 episode 2!
I hope they fill that open Asian cast members spot.
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