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NFL 2016 Week 10 |OT| - The Dream is Dead.
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VeryGooster
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DeaconKnowledge
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As usual, Rodgers isn't taking enough (actually, any) of the blame.
Rodger's deserves some of the blame. But honestly, I think it's a biproduct of the offense McCarthy is trying to run. He's trying to run an offense that simply doesn't work with the talent of the team. Rodgers always looks 10x better when they have to abandon the run and pass everywhere. Rodgers seems to regress when he has to ride along with McCarthy's stubborn attempts to make the running game work when they have nobody at RB - partially because it results in the offense becoming vanilla as fuck.
yankeehater
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I thought that Zimmer was going to be a great head coach but I really wonder if he is part of the problem. Vikes have a historically bad rushing attack, every play that they hand the ball off is basically a wasted play. They need to keep getting the ball out quick and focusing on what Bradford does well.
DeaconKnowledge
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No offense, but do you know how silly this sounds? All it takes to fuck Rodgers up is giving your RB touches?
We have running backs? Who did we sign?
Like I said, when McCarthy wants to commit to a balanced run/pass game his play calling in general becomes vanilla and completely lacking in creativity. Things tend to improve when the play calling goes pass-heavy and he calls for receivers to do more creative routes other than "run straight and try to outrun your cover guy". Even though it was a loss, one of their best offensive showings was against Atlanta when they had no RB available. I've been saying for about the last year or so that Eddie Lacy was inadvertently the worst thing that happened to their offense.
James Starks, bro
and who wouldn't want balance when you have all-pro TEs Dick Rod and fat white long hair guy
Rodgers has been trash, but Montgomery not getting more snaps before injuries forced their hand shows that Mike has no fucking clue
Romo gives them a better chance to win. It isn't like Dak is going out there and carrying the team. He's game managing. Romo can take over a game in ways that Dak cant.
A team with a good defense and competent offense beats DAL by forcing them to throw the ball.
Zimmer wants to avoid turnovers, shorten games, and let his defense win games. That works when the defense is playing all world like earlier in the year. They are still good but not good enough to carry a bad offense. I just don't get the heavy personnel sets. They don't work. RBs are bad at finding space but mostly it's like trying to drive around a pileup on the interstate
BannedEpisode
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Might be good to let off the breaks a bit. Zimmer is a good coach. You can only do so much when you have had a year from hell when it comes to injuries, especially to the Oline.
And they are focusing on rhythm throws. You can't completely abandon the run, especially when the aforementioned injury ravaged Oline can only block for 2 seconds.
It's a non starter.
Lost: 2 Right tackles, 2 left tackles, our starting RG from last year has an undisclosed head injury and still hasn't played, Sullivan never came back and got released, Boone and Berger and Fusco have all missed time, our child beating RB is out, our starting QB might never play again, and there are a few others.
I mean, what can you expect?
On Blair: what an amazing fall from grace. His rookie year was one of the best by a kicker ever. It's crazy to think that one horrible kick could so horrifically scar someone.
Broken bones can't really be prevented, and from what I read his injuries the last 2 years is really just bad luck. I don't think the risk of injury is any higher than normal.
It is hitting me though that Romo may not start again for the Cowboys.
Romo has been with starters of this team sans Zeke for a long time. He could throw option routes to Witten in his sleep. If Dak's threat of running is a huge factor in the success of the running game then I would agree to let Dak play. But I think what Romo offers in the pass game is greater than holding the backside defender.
I agree with your post. There isn't much to add.
We don't know if the offense is better with Dak, we don't know if it is better with Romo. I wish we could find out before the playoffs though. I do think the better player deserves an opportunity to showcase his talents. I am just arguing to give Romo an opportunity.
The only starters who have better Quarterback Ratings than Dak right now are Tom Brady, Matt Ryan, and Drew Brees. He's only thrown 14 TDs but he's only thrown 2 INTs. Plus he's developed a chemistry with the team and the team has confidence they can win with him right now. Sitting him for Romo would be a horrible choice right now.
DeaconKnowledge
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Okay, that's different.
Still, I think it's a little silly to pin this all on McCarthy. Lacy is fat and can't stay healthy, sure, but also the Packers wide outs just are not as good as season's past. I remember watching Packers games (after they beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl :/) and grinding my teeth at how wide open the receivers were down the field. I felt like the field was 60 yards long when the Packers were on offense.
Now that isn't the case. Somewhere along the line someone figured out Packers receivers hate being bullied, and the Packers haven't been able to separate as consistently ever since.
He's game managing. He has the best line, Rb, and a top 5 WR.
He played so bad against the eagles D, and our DBs suck. He all hype right now, and if Dallas wants a SB then you have to go with Romo. Cause a rookie QB isn't doing it.
I do agree that Zimmer is a good coach, but he bungled the Lions game into a loss. He also overreacted to the loss to Philly. That fiery temper that has served him well has not helped them out of a pretty ugly losing streak
BannedEpisode
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They're 8-1 right now. I'm a firm believer in not shaking up the most important position on the team when you're doing that well. Especially for Romo, a guy who's only had one truly good playoff game in his entire career. Romo's just as likely to be a liability in the playoffs as Dak is.
Ridiculous
yankeehater
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I hope so. I really want to see Sam get a chance in the playoffs. I only watched a little of the Skins game, but they would pass the ball down the field it seemed and then try to run twice setting up a third and long situation. It seems like once things started to go bad with all the injuries Zimmer got more involved with the offense and now it is a mess and the D isnt bailing them out any more for what ever reason.
DeaconKnowledge
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Dez Bryant is not a top 5 WR.
CrocMother
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That chemistry is the key. Having two rookies leading the offense has breathed a lot of life into the veteran players like Witten. The line loves blocking for him, and he's really the only QB Zeke knows
He makes a lot of mistakes, but the team believes in him. You hear stories about how this is the closest the Cowboys have been in the post Aikman era. Can't change now.
BannedEpisode
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I'm actually not very sure the Vikings will make the playoffs. The struggle has been too real.
It's a good thing we still have a lot of picks next year. Move up into the bottom of the first, get a tackle, and draft about 5 interior linemen through the rest of the draft.
Also Kluwe just tweeted:
"Karma's a nasty lady."
Lol
It's a good thing we still have a lot of picks next year. Move up into the bottom of the first, get a tackle, and draft about 5 interior linemen through the rest of the draft.
Also Kluwe just tweeted:
"Karma's a nasty lady."
Lol
People look at those charts where teams have a good offense/defense and then the other side of the ball isn't good. Well, that's what happens when there is a hard cap and teams have limited picks. MIN has only taken 2 OLs in the top 3 rounds in the past 10 years. They have used their premium picks on defense and so that side of the ball should carry the team
Goro Majima
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Don't really care who is to blame in Green Bay.
Coaches are more replaceable than elite quarterbacks. Time to make a change and then re-evaluate Rodgers under a different coach.
Coaches are more replaceable than elite quarterbacks. Time to make a change and then re-evaluate Rodgers under a different coach.
We're looking at a year where the Vikings and Packers, the division champ and a heavy favorite, are potentially going to miss the playoffs and the Lions might take the division.
2016 is fooked up
pats vs cowboys at nrg!
As the whole county takes the L, Houston has to take it more!
tears*
AbortedWalrusFetus
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Pretty sure PFF has him in the top 5, or had earlier in the season. I also know that Dak has the highest passer rating in the league when passing to Dez.
DeaconKnowledge
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PFF you say? Marvelous.
Cowboys WILL NOT make the Super Bowl. I would bet my avatar for two months if it does happen
yankeehater
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I will have you know that Mike McCarthy is a very successful head coach. One of the Green Bay beat writers was on NFLN yesterday and he said that his statement read like someone trying to convince their boss not to fire them. So maybe their is hope for you guys.
Futurevoid
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Week 1 did happen, ya know.
Himynameischris
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MAH MUTHA FUCKEN MIAMI DOLPHINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Goro Majima
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I about threw up when he said that. Fucking show us that you're that good.
CrocMother
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Who exactly are the "top tier" defenses? Denver and...?
Edit: Seattle, who else
Edit: Seattle, who else
For sure. And if MM is out there than JAX should hire him right away. I think Ted is as responsible as anyone there and MM would have the Jags looking good pretty quickly
Week 1 did happen, ya know.
I almost did include the Giants there, they've been playing well. I'm curious to see how the second time they play goes. Dak and Zeke were in their first game, but on the other hand the Giants D hadn't settled in yet, and the next game is in NY
Goro Majima
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Minnesota and Arizona maybe? Seattle as usual?
The fact that McCarthy said that I think shows that he doesn't have a fucking clue right now. This is the same guy who basically said "nothing is wrong" when the Packers were imploding in the second half of last season.
Alternatively, if McCarthy would get canned and sign with someone else, we might see McCarthy get exposed since he wont have hall of fame caliber players around him to bail him out of terrible calls.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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I mean, what other stat do you want? The fact that he has as many yards per reception as Julio Jones? He was injured for 3+ weeks and plays in a run first offense, so it's not like he's going to have world beating numbers, but that doesn't mean he's been playing poorly this season. Dez has always been great when/if he can stay healthy.
CrocMother
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That I'm highly successful line from McCarthy is some Trump tactic shit
DeaconKnowledge
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This is a huge pet peeve of mine. What do you expect him to say? "Christ, we're fucked sideways and I have no answers".
Evaluating coaches based on what they say in press conferences is stupid.
That's just it, he can't stay healthy.
A healthy Dez is probably top 5 in the league, but when was the last season that happened?
That "I'm highly successful" line is going to get brought up every single time the Packers lose this season from here on out. In other words, it's going to be interesting when the Packers eat these next two road Ls coming up.
I expect him to not double down on his own ego. McCarthy has been deflecting blame away from himself as far back as the 2007 NFC Championship game against the Giants. I'll admit I'm a bit biased because I simply don't like him. But his ego and refusal to accept any responsibility has only gotten worse in recent years.
I expect him to not double down on his own ego. McCarthy has been deflecting blame away from himself as far back as the 2007 NFC Championship game against the Giants. I'll admit I'm a bit biased because I simply don't like him. But his ego and refusal to accept any responsibility has only gotten worse in recent years.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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Football Outsiders has the Eagles defense ranked 1st. I don't know if we're just dismissing all stats sites these days though.