Going to need a source on that spoiler.
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Ellie is the main playable character in The Last of Us: Part II
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Going to need a source on that spoiler.
broscientific
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Basketball
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I hope this means there will be female human enemies in the game as well and it matches the brutality of male enemies deaths
I don't want this to end up like a Tomb Raider situation where little Reboot Lara massacres trained fully armored dudes left and right yet no females in sight.
I don't want this to end up like a Tomb Raider situation where little Reboot Lara massacres trained fully armored dudes left and right yet no females in sight.
excelsiorlef
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And marketing Croft 1.0 was sold to boys on look how hot she is...
Deckard Chapel
Banned
...and I also said that I enjoy the Tomb Raider games which are famous for it's female protagonist. What are you trying to insinuate?
I'm not understanding what you're gonna get out of convincing other people why YOU don't wanna play the game. It's been going on for pages and nothing is being accomplished.
Be cool with your choice and be cool that other people don't agree.
Basketball
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Fear Effect
WooHooAlex
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Killing the surgeons/doctors at the end is optional, right?
If you killed them, you're the monster, not Joel
If you killed them, you're the monster, not Joel
I killed them too, blew their heads off without thinking twice about it.
Garrett Hawke
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Not in a video game ever, but apart from Jacob Frye I think she is the first in a AAA game.
They say, verbatim, "
only surgeon left on earth who can do this"
the player does not attack the surgeon, and just walks towards him, Joel slashes the guy 's throat.
already attacked first during the whole stage
There's no question here. It's what the character was written to do. It's what he does, no ambiguity.
Darryl M R
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My point is that you are bringing up reason why you do not like Elli as a character when you very clearly stated your opinion that you also do not want to play any character that is a young woman.
And you question why people laughed at your opinion pages back.
The notion that a young female character is less relatable and thus unenjoyable is laughable because of how accurate it reflects past AAA trends based on catering to a very homogenous demographic.
Chobel
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You seriously linked a video from Milo Yiannopoulos? fucking MILO?
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Would have much rather played as Joel since I'm not as big a fan of hers as everyone else seems to be, but fuck it I'll be there day 1.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I'm not sure what this blubbering on about metal is supposed to mean.
She's not metal. She's mentally deranged. There's a difference.
She's not metal. She's mentally deranged. There's a difference.
Killing the surgeons/doctors at the end is optional, right?
If you killed them, you're the monster, not Joel
I killed them too, blew their heads off without thinking twice about it.
The second and third ones yes, but not the first. Joel does it even if you don't press anything. Happened to me.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Jacob Frye from AC:Syndicate, Max from Life is Strange are two very recent examples.
Wait really? Did they touch on that towards the end of the game or something, I didn't finish the game, but played most of it
broscientific
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I'm not sure why you're calling the response of 3-4 posters in a single thread "outrage"
Yes it must suck to have a father figure who saved your life countless times.
Deckard Chapel
Banned
Again, opinions.
*Sigh*
All I'm saying is that I am disappointed that we don't play as Joel [as the main character]. Maybe Naughty Dog should have Noctis as a DLC character - then everyone will be happy
tallbroski
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hmm you might have something there, interesting plot
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Deleted member 325805
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I can't wait to find out what broke her.
John Kowalski
Banned
Sounds like I need to finish Syndictate.
I never picked up on the Jacob Frye stuff and i loved Syndixate. Mind blown.
I think we
it in TLoU Part I.
I think we
played
TimeEffect
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Oh trust me, I'm excited. I just wonder how they'll make the gameplay. I know it'll be brutal, but it's definitely going to be different.
Ellie being 19 still makes me feel like she's still a kid. I wonder if she's fully grown or if they'll try to still emphasize her being a young and hate filled kid. Joel's whole thing is that he's experienced and over everything. Ellie is finally on her own here and that has to correlate with her age.
It's odd that Joel isn't even that protective considering what she's done. It's like he's not as paranoid and protective. And Ellie still seems like she's coping with everything. The way her hand trembles and she has to calm herself
I still think Joel is dead and she's going to totally break down mentally. I love the idea of ghost Joel, like dexters dad . We all know he's dead, but it simply tells us about her mental state
There's a scene in the game where a bad guy referes to Joel as a psychopath since he killed us while gang.
If this doesn't make you reflect on the amount of people Joel killed, with ease then nothing will.
Forget the last scene. That moment right there is the first time you are supposed to question his actions.
And yeah, he was a cannibal but the tone of that scene is really "do you realize how your actions look from the other side?)". And they aren't good. I think that scene is the pivotal moment where the game makes you look at Joel in a different light.
Then in the end you kill a bunch more people for selfish reasons and that seals it. The final scene also drives the whole "Joel is an old lonely man who is trying to replace his daughter" point home.
Man is this game good.
If this doesn't make you reflect on the amount of people Joel killed, with ease then nothing will.
Forget the last scene. That moment right there is the first time you are supposed to question his actions.
And yeah, he was a cannibal but the tone of that scene is really "do you realize how your actions look from the other side?)". And they aren't good. I think that scene is the pivotal moment where the game makes you look at Joel in a different light.
Then in the end you kill a bunch more people for selfish reasons and that seals it. The final scene also drives the whole "Joel is an old lonely man who is trying to replace his daughter" point home.
Man is this game good.
By player choice. You could count player-made RPG characters from Bioware games by that standard.
Again, opinions.
*Sigh*
All I'm saying is that I am disappointed that we don't play as Joel [as the main character]. Maybe Naughty Dog should have Noctis as a DLC character - then everyone will be happy
I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you don't need to keep trying to convince people why you feel the way you do about this. You're not gonna see eye to eye.
Nah, Joel being dead is way too easy. Druckmann won't go for that. He will use Joel's ultimate fate as a device to build up sustained tension throughout the game for pretty much free, in addition to everything else he comes up with. Joel was such a nominal character that he won't be killed offscreen or in a flashback. This is "ellie kills joel at the end" all over again.
The main argument here for females as the leading role in violent games is women should be allowed to murder too. If men kill all the time, women should equally murder too.
The other main one is usually, I prefer to stair at a female's ass over a males ass while playing violent games.
The other main one is usually, I prefer to stair at a female's ass over a males ass while playing violent games.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Sequence 8 is a near constant metaphor for Jacob Frye and Roger Roth having a romantic relationship that falls through, it's why Jacob acts so much different around him compared to the other targets. This is the only time we see Jacob being bashful and a little submissive is when he reacts to the things Roth says:
The player has no choice but to complete sequence 8 with Jacob. Evie is not involved in that sequence whatsoever.
For totally selfish reasons and also murdered your mother figure while not giving two fucks about your wishes. He also killed the people trying to find a cure when you wanted them to do whatever they could.
Joel is a murderer that kills with no compassion and used you as a surrogate daughter above all else.
Endorphineforeverybody
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Dont think so, grass is moving when he comes in...
Joel is her stand
Tal Shiar Agent
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You people.
When it's a woman player character you want character selection but if it's a male player character it's against the "artistic integrity" to have character selection.
Only meant Max. Jacob is a different case for sure.
Garrett Hawke
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Don't forget
"Go make your own games instead of complaining!"
Game gets made
"I'm uncomfortable with this and cannot relate!"
Sorry just rewatched the hospital scene and don't see where they said that, not to mention
how are they suppose to know what is happening in the rest of the world.
"It is unknown if he was the only surgeon the Fireflies possessed"
And about
Joel attacking first, I mean they did threaten to kill him if he did anything but leave. They weren't exactly being great about the whole thing
Just about everyone Joel kills tries or would try to kill him if they'd get a drop on him. A lot of people seem to take Joel and his actions and judge them by our current society's standards which obviously makes him into a monster. Instead we should judge his actions by the standards of his society in which almost everyone seems to be hunting others. It seems to be the norm in everywhere but the few larger settlements. He is NOT a nice guy, he is a bad guy, but he isn't evil. It doesn't make sense to be Joel and not kill when it would mean that he would lose the only thing he sees worth living for to other predatory people. Basic comforts largely no longer exists. Being alive is just surviving, and when you do find that something extra that gives you reason and purpose you hang on to that because everyone else will do so also at the expense of you and the thing you hold most dear.
This is gonna be good.
I think most people are absolutely fine with it (as they should be).
The few that aren't just post a lot, and even more people are answering them.
Deckard Chapel
Banned
Finally someone with the same opinion!
This.
"What do I have in common with a teenage, angst-ridden girl? How can I relate to her struggles and view of the world?"
That's the only thing I would think picking up the controller to play this game. I would also think that I'm playing as a character I didn't like originally and now I'm playing as her for the entire game this time. It's just not something that sounds like fun to me. I don't like her demeanor or her character design, so I'm just going to have to pass on this one.
ForsakenLotus
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Happy about this so long as she still cracks jokes.
Why would there be ? Tomb raider, horizon, Nier 2, people are not complaining....
People enjoyed playing Elie in left behind and TLOU anyway...
broscientific
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Tell me, do you decide whether or not to play every game based on the level of identification you share with the main character?
John Kowalski
Banned
This reminds me of Sarkeesian's comments about Mad Max, about how feminism must be against violence in art because it is a symbol of negative masculinity, which I kind of agree with. In truth I'm hoping this game is about Ellie giving up on violence, or at least on killing people out of sheer anger.