theCalamity
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They wanted to destroy entire planets
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They wanted to destroy entire planets
Yeah, they were just running tests in R1. The ultimate goal was to eventually destroy planets, as we are reminded very early in the film. That was actually one of my favorite parts of the movie.. when the dude describes it as a "planet killer" to Cassian, and looks terrified out of his mind.
SuperStiltzkin
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Until you realize that was only 1% of its power.
The Driver
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Real talk, movie was ok to good at parts but outside of all that I would kill for a place that would make me a leather jacket with the rebel stripe/loop things on the sleeves!
Hippopuncher12
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You're right 3 is just as bad as the first 2. I would say it is the best of the 3 however. Plus I personally at least thought General Grievous was pretty badass.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Yeah but everybody seemed really impressed with it's ability to blow up a single city. You would think that wouldn't be very impressive in the star wars universe.
They also end the conflict on Jedha by blowing up the holy city with it. If that's all they needed to do and the city was that expendable, then why didn't they just nuke it beforehand?
BrokenFiction
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They were still pulling kyber crystals out up until the last minute.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Huh. Follow up: did they kill all the stormtroopers/imperials in the city? It doesn't seem like they had much time to evacuate.
They show the star destroyer and shuttles leaving prior to the destruction.
BrokenFiction
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I assume so. There was a shot of a bunch of ships leaving the city.
They state everyone was evacuated. In addition, they wanted to make a statement not a manifesto as things were still being watched by the senate before the emperor disolves it in ESB
How did they butcher it? You mean you didn't like how f.e. Darth Vader came to be and that ruined the magic behind him? Because the movies had a lot to offer, showing exciting new locales and people, a new emphasis on politics so you actually got to understand why things were going on the way they did, and showing some nice battles and action scenes. A breath of fresh visuals as well as SW tech and lore - that's a lot of mythological wonder in my book.
I guess TFA gets bonus points here, because it just banks on nostalgia? Because in my opinion that movie is completely devoid of any mythological wonder of its own. And repeating the plot of ANH is the most terrible way to start a new trilogy I could imagine. It's creatively bankrupt.
I don't know if this is a generational thing (I was born more than a decade after Star Wars first came out), but the prequels didn't have anywhere near the stark negative impact for me regarding how they handled Anakin. I always took them for what they are and not what they were supposed to lead up to.
Literally, almost. Star Wars is pretty much what happens when WW2 war movies meet old samurai movies.
moltonasty
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I love this scene tho... :/ honestly SW has always been cheesy, this concept that somehow the prequels introduced overacting or so bad it's good direction seems somewhat revisionist IMO
I loved R1 but Ep 3 is up there IMO as one of the all time best SW films
WadiumArcadium
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I wouldn't say cheese is the problem. It's Anakin going from 'What have I done?' to 'I'll do whatever you ask' in five seconds. I do love the opera scene where Palps tells Anakin the Plagueis story though.
It was just bad "how Vader came to be". From beginning to end.
Especially the end.
I do like that scene but it's another one of those scenes that kind of only works because Anakin is written to be a moron. Anakin should immediately be like "why the fuck do you know details about sith legends?" Also Palpatine doing two dramatic slow villain head turns absolutely kills me lol
rokkerkory
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Watching it again rite now!
Jack Scofield
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I dunno. I was still impressed by the sheer scale of the Jedha explosion. The explosion extended past the planet's atmosphere, almost what you would expect from a massive asteroid collision.
ffejeromdiks
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You're right, I had this problem with the movie as well. Star Destroyers alone are capable of some insane orbital bombardments.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Base_Delta_Zero/Legends
Can't remember the name of the planet, but in the lore there's even a case where a single star destroyer bombarded a planet long enough that it completely decimated all life on it, when one star destroyer is capable of that kind of destruction I fail to see what is so impressive about the mega-nukes the death star drops in Rogue One.
Cross-Section
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No kidding; that slow pan up past the fiery expulsion of rock and dust to the Death Star hanging over it all is one of my favorite shots in the entire movie.
It's not because they showed how Anakin became Vader.. but rather how. Literally everything here in bold was executed horribly. From the beginning to the end of the PT, there is an incredibly short list of things that were actually executed well. Which locations interested you? Which characters? What politics? I still don't fucking understand the opening crawl of TPM. Are you sure you're not just saying "because these things were included they were good"? Because that's sure what it sounds like to me. The PT, for me, is a solid case of "this shit sounds great in theory" but when it comes to execution, from the script to the end product onscreen, those three movies do very little right. You're actually telling me that you enjoyed Hayden Christensen's portrayal of Anakin? And his transformation into Vader?
I seriously doubt it's a generational thing. I grew up with the OT and I saw The Phantom Menace in theaters when I was 11 years old. I came out almost in tears because of how bad the film was. I was crushed.
I showed the OT to my girlfriend who isn't even into movies that much and she loved all three films. She hated the PT and cited Jake/Hayden as part of why the films were so bad, among lots of other issues.
Before we watched these six films, I told her nothing about them other than that I love the original trilogy. I let her decide for herself if she enjoys the PT. I know that's just one person's opinion but it really goes to show you that the nostalgia/blinders arguments are complete bullshit when it comes to the quality of the original three films, even if they aren't perfect by any means.
Some people just refuse to admit that the PT's issues overwhelmingly overshadow their strengths. That's not to say you can't enjoy them but I do think lots of people are willing to give them a pass because it's "George Lucas' story". I can't imagine anyone would defend them if they were created by someone else (the PT films).
And for the record, I know (in person) MORE people who enjoyed TFA who were not SW fans before than HC or even casual fans. So again, I really don't think there's much merit to "you just like these films because of nostalgia" argument.
No.. there's a HUGE difference between what we saw in the original trilogy and the comical cheese we see in Ian's Vader conversion scene. I mean goddamn, every other word that comes out of his mouth is unintentionally hilarious, whether it's his freakishly awkward breathing, ridiculous facial expressions, line delivery, or creepy staring. Again, I love Ian and think he's a brilliant actor and plays a great Emperor, but you're kidding yourself if you think the Vader conversion scene is of high quality. That's my opinion, of course.
To compare that level of cheese to anything in the OT is absurd. It's in a different category entirely.
Some perspective.. my GF and I were talking about how we thought the only decent scenes from the PT came at the end of EP3 so we went back and watched it. We literally laughed out loud at each scene and I ended up just shaking my head at how bad it is, mainly because of Ian's ridiculous antics. It wasn't even like I went in with the intention of bashing it. And my god the CGI has NOT aged well.
That's not revisionist.. that's just recognizing horrid filmmaking. It becomes more apparent when you see new SW films that exhibit much higher quality. It's pretty easy to recognize that R1 and TFA, objectively, do a LOT more things right than wrong in comparison with the PT.
While I agree that's a ridiculous transition, the cheese is a HUGE part of it. Like I said above, the PT is on a different level of cheesiness.
The Plagueis story is one of the best scenes in the PT.
Yup. Another scene that exemplifies the theme of "fucking up saga defining moments" in EP3.
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Cross-Section
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There's a difference between physically destroying an entire planet and merely decimating its surface.
BrokenFiction
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In Aftermath: Life Debt, three Star Destroyers use their turbolasers for orbital bombardment on Kashyyyk. Not even close to what a single reactor ignition of the Death Star could do, from the description.
Legends nonsense doesn't count. Every Star Destroyer in the fleet combined couldn't blow up a planet.
Um, you guys are talking about different things.
Star Destroyers could wipe out all life on a planet. It's what they were for and what they were named after. What they couldn't do is physically blow a planet up. Turn everything on the surface to rubble and magma - yes. Literally blowing a planet up so there is no planet left - no.
And the EU and back story stuff was always very clear that the main point of the death star wasn't as much its technology but the fact it was a symbol of fear. You can fight back against a fleet laying siege to your planet, you couldn't do anything if a death star turned up and just blew you up in one single shot.
Star Destroyers could wipe out all life on a planet. It's what they were for and what they were named after. What they couldn't do is physically blow a planet up. Turn everything on the surface to rubble and magma - yes. Literally blowing a planet up so there is no planet left - no.
And the EU and back story stuff was always very clear that the main point of the death star wasn't as much its technology but the fact it was a symbol of fear. You can fight back against a fleet laying siege to your planet, you couldn't do anything if a death star turned up and just blew you up in one single shot.
Septimus Prime
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In a single shot, no less.
That's a huge difference from the Imperial fleet being able to wipe out all life on a planet over time. Even if they could (and indications from Rebels, which is canon, is that they can), it probably takes a massive amount of effort and bombardment and gives targets an opportunity to fight back or at least escape, whereas the Death Star just takes one shot from orbit, and it's over.
Weltall Zero
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Frankly, the one with the narrative that liking stuff that isn't shit somehow makes up for also liking stuff that isn't shit is you. I mean, how does that even make sense?
Soooooo... you disagree with basically everyone (critics, fans, GAFers in this thread), and they're all the ones living in a bubble? Heck of a bubble that must be. I mean, feel free to have shit taste by all means, but this is such an odd comment to make, it was only missing "wake up sheeple".
How long does that take? If it takes longer than the time needed for ships to leave the planet (which is, minutes?), then the Death Star is still better. As per the wiki:
A catastrophic prospect to be sure, but even then not the same as "your planet and everything/everyone on it suddenly ceased to exist".
Just saw it!
I had very low expectations due to some negative impressions and was completely spoiled.
By the end I really loved it.
Quick summary of my impressions:
Negatives:
- Slow and exposition filled start.
- Characters first impressions are fairly bad for the most part
- Doesn't feel like Star Wars at the start
- Some of the Soundtrack
- Vader's voice and Tarkin's CG face
- The whole story happens too fast.
- Plam-tree planet just doesn't fit.
Positives:
- Some of the Soundtrack. ( by the end the soundtrack is amazing and classic giacchino)
- Some beautiful shots
- The space war was amazing.
- All characters were cool and likeable by the end
- Vader killing rebels. Just amazing.
- The continuity to Ep 4 is done beautifully.
- Great pacing on the second part of the movie
- Everything else.
Bad expectations. Didn't like it for the first 20 minutes or so, then started to like it, then ended up loving it!
Hyped for ep8 !
I had very low expectations due to some negative impressions and was completely spoiled.
By the end I really loved it.
Quick summary of my impressions:
Negatives:
- Slow and exposition filled start.
- Characters first impressions are fairly bad for the most part
- Doesn't feel like Star Wars at the start
- Some of the Soundtrack
- Vader's voice and Tarkin's CG face
- The whole story happens too fast.
- Plam-tree planet just doesn't fit.
Positives:
- Some of the Soundtrack. ( by the end the soundtrack is amazing and classic giacchino)
- Some beautiful shots
- The space war was amazing.
- All characters were cool and likeable by the end
- Vader killing rebels. Just amazing.
- The continuity to Ep 4 is done beautifully.
- Great pacing on the second part of the movie
- Everything else.
Bad expectations. Didn't like it for the first 20 minutes or so, then started to like it, then ended up loving it!
Hyped for ep8 !
Lol Star Destroyer. What a misnomer.WTF?
The old EU was a mistake
Actually in empire, wasn't the ground assault on hoth a plan b because they jumped out of hyperspace too close? (At least to the empire's knowledge - it would seem that Han pre-empted they attack). I assume they had other plans if the shield wasn't up.
Chuckie
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Yes. The admiral wanted to surprise the rebels. Vader killed him for doing that.
I have my toe in that cesspool. It's not a pretty sight.
(Crosspost from the SW Community Forum)
I don't believe this for a second from The Trickster, but if people want to keep an eye out:
He has hurt me one too many times.
It's too bad my father couldn't get this same reaction out of the inclusion of Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen. Chirrut and Baze were major players, yes, but in the end, (1) Did not add too much to the story, (2) Had very little kickass moments and (3) Their eventual fates - my father was especially bummed with point 3.
Sure, Donnie Yen accepted the role of Chirrut because "the role was more than a hook for the Chinese market", but in the end my father felt that this was exactly the reason they cast those two.
Good on the Mexicans getting a win though! 👍
CadetMahoney
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Someone mentioned it before, but I wanted to see the big ships, I dunno, fight. There where a few laser shots here and there, but they felt like aircraft hangers.
At the beginning of ROTS they where shooting each others shit out like it was a rave.
At the beginning of ROTS they where shooting each others shit out like it was a rave.
Fun movie. Some really good action scenes. Main complaints would be
- Jyn was weak
- The first act was cobbled together. In retrospect the careless jumping from location to location at the beginning makes sense given that they inserted the reshoots.
- Some of the cheesy dialogue didn't mix well with the film's heavy tone.
- The CG character(s) was distracting
I would agree with point (1) only. They were non-essential side characters for sure.
- Jyn was weak
- The first act was cobbled together. In retrospect the careless jumping from location to location at the beginning makes sense given that they inserted the reshoots.
- Some of the cheesy dialogue didn't mix well with the film's heavy tone.
- The CG character(s) was distracting
"Their eventual fates"....but everyone died.It's too bad my father couldn't get this same reaction out of the inclusion of Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen. Chirrut and Baze were major players, yes, but in the end, (1) Did not add too much to the story, (2) Had very little kickass moments and (3) Their eventual fates - my father was especially bummed with point 3.
Sure, Donnie Yen accepted the role of Chirrut because "the role was more than a hook for the Chinese market", but in the end my father felt that this was exactly the reason they cast those two.
Good on the Mexicans getting a win though! 👍
I would agree with point (1) only. They were non-essential side characters for sure.
Bucket Mouse
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Very interesting.
always crazy bacon
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Where did they get more crystals and plans for the 2nd Death Star if those things got destroyed in this movie?
They had a ton of kick ass moments! More than Cassian. And their fates wasn't a negative at all since all of them died. Only 1 that really makes sense is your first point.It's too bad my father couldn't get this same reaction out of the inclusion of Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen. Chirrut and Baze were major players, yes, but in the end, (1) Did not add too much to the story, (2) Had very little kickass moments and (3) Their eventual fates - my father was especially bummed with point 3.
Sure, Donnie Yen accepted the role of Chirrut because "the role was more than a hook for the Chinese market", but in the end my father felt that this was exactly the reason they cast those two.
Good on the Mexicans getting a win though! 👍
Yeah, that seems like a strange criticism.
They mined the shit out of planets during Rogue One.
They had more kick ass moments than any member of the crew really.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I wonder if they had to be replan the Death Star from scratch considering that the rebels stole the only schematics and madds is dead
KeyBladerXIII
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I can't remember if it was specified that those were the only plans for the Death Star anywhere ever or if the Empire had a copy uploaded elsewhere.
Or maybe the Empire just had a really good memory and were able to recreate it in 2 years.
always crazy bacon
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All Madds Engineers were slaughtered though.
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