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Western Animation |OT| Cartoon, Cartoon, Cartoon

With Christmas almost here you can practically feel the cheer already. Unfortunately because of the time I'm not quite in the mindset to post long descriptions about specials. However, I do want to highlight two cartoon Christmas episodes I've enjoyed for years now.

The first is a Batman: The Animated Series classic.

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Christmas with the Joker is one of the earliest episodes of the series and remains one of my all-time favorites. It details the story of Batman and Robin(who also makes his first appearance) attempting to stop the recently escaped Joker from terrorizing Gotham on Christmas Eve.


This is the first exposure audiences had to BTAS' rendition of the Joker and in many ways it would immortalize Mark Hamill as the definitive voice of the character for any animated appearances. The Joker is wacky, over the top, and loony as a toon.

Yet he's also scary, intimidating, and fully committed to spreading evil. You realize sympathize with the people of the Gotham having to endure this nightmare of man as random tank attacks, bridge explosions, and cannon fire rains down on their city. Of course Kevin Conroy is at his best here with Batman, leading a commanding presence on screen. Shirley Walker, the composer for the series, brings together the whole picture with a wonderfully fitting leitmotif for the Joker that bounces perfectly against Batman's.

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The end result is a Christmas spectacle unlike anything else with an iconic struggle between the Caped Crusader and the Ace of Knaves.

The next special I want to talk about is quite different in tone.


Christmas Who?, otherwise known as the Spongebob Squarepants Christmas Special, was the first special done for this holiday by the show. It is without a doubt one of my favorite episodes of the series and one of the few episodes that runs the full half hour block.


This is Hillenburg's run of the show at its finest. The episode is about Spongebob, after listening to the wonders of Christmas from Sandy, trying to create his own Christmas under the sea, all while Squidward continually dismisses the holiday. Yet guilt ends up eating at Squidward's heart when he sees the giving spirit Spongebob has and he ends up playing the role of Bikini Bottom's own Santa Claus by giving out presents, including everything in his house, to everyone.


This episode is very sweet. It contains the very innocent humor of Spongebob and the citizens of Bikini Bottom trying to grasp the concept of Christmas with nothing but an undersea squirrel's stories to go off of. There's a wonderful little musical number too, that ends with a magnificent falsetto from Mr. Krabs.

Yet what this episode does most is show a loving side of Squidward that is rarely seen in the show. For all the curmudgeon like mood he gives off, the clarinet player still cares for other people. Of course his charitable deeds do not go unnoticed. In the end, Squidward is met by none other than Jolly St. Nick himself who thanks Squidward for all his hard work and...uh...does this.

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I don't understand myself. Regardless, this one of the best episodes of the show and a very good cartoon to watch if you're looking for something to make you smile this time of year.
 
It's Christmas Eve, and what a wonderful night it is. For such a time like this I thought I'd bring up one cartoon special that you may or may not be aware of.


Olive the Other Reindeer is a 1999 adaptation of the same named book. Produced by Matt Groening, this film is a strange one, to say the least.


The movie follows Olive, a small dog who becomes convinced that Santa needs her help when he announces that he hopes he can make Christmas with his injured reindeer Blitzen with "all of the other reindeer"(which can be misheard as Olive. She then embarks on a great journey with an expert con penguin named Martini. Together the two go on a wild adventure, all while an evil Postman tries to stop them to end Christmas.


This film has a charm that few can replicate. It uses a mixture of 3D background, 2D paper like characters, and traditional animation to bring about an environment unlike anything else.


In doing so you're left with a world of wonder and endearment. You're constantly rooting for Olive, in all her naivety and spirit, to make it to the North Pole and to somehow help Santa Claus against all odds. Every piece of the journey adds to the experience in its own way whether it's through musical numbers or maniacal machinations by the Postman.


The end result is a marvel of Christmas that can often be overlooked.Perhaps you should take some time to track this film down and watch it. It may be worth your while.

 

Neoxon

Junior Member
I just saw the fighting game episode of Justice League Action. The Batcave was literally ripped right out of Batman: The Animated Series (namely The New Batman Adventures). I guess it's safe to assume that Tim Drake is currently Robin in this continuity, while Dick Grayson is Nightwing.
 

Ross61

Member
I just saw the fighting game episode of Justice League Action. The Batcave was literally ripped right out of Batman: The Animated Series (namely The New Batman Adventures). I guess it's safe to assume that Tim Drake is currently Robin in this continuity, while Dick Grayson is Nightwing.

Or it's just a homage because Dini and Bruce Timm are the producers/executive producers.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
Or it's just a Dini and Bruce Timm homage since they are the producers/executive producers.
Perhaps. There's also a bunch of neat little nods to DC history in the episode. For example, Wonder Woman's alternate costumes included her costume from the recent animated movies....albeit with the neck area being light blue, her retro costume, & a few others. Various Batmobiles were featured in the background of the Batcave stage, including the classic 60's & BTAS Batmobiles (the former of which was used as a stage attack).
 

RedHill

Banned
I just saw the fighting game episode of Justice League Action. The Batcave was literally ripped right out of Batman: The Animated Series (namely The New Batman Adventures). I guess it's safe to assume that Tim Drake is currently Robin in this continuity, while Dick Grayson is Nightwing.
That's a reach to assume that
 

Nudull

Banned
I ended up catching Olive by complete chance. The animation style drew me into watching it, and I instantly fell in love with the whole thing. Christmas Who, on the other hand, remains not only one of my favorite Spongebob episodes but also one of my all-time favorite holiday specials.
 

Xe4

Banned
I just saw the fighting game episode of Justice League Action. The Batcave was literally ripped right out of Batman: The Animated Series (namely The New Batman Adventures). I guess it's safe to assume that Tim Drake is currently Robin in this continuity, while Dick Grayson is Nightwing.

You're really going to love it when you watch the episode "Time Share", then. Batman TAS references fo days.

JLA is what TT:Go should have been in my opinion; a show that was more for kids, but still contained lots of action and showed kids the lesser known parts of the DC Universe.
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
While we're focusing on holiday specials, I found the entire animated short used in the Star Wars Holiday Special.
Yep, Boba Fett's very first appearance. A full two years before Empire. Han's face looks ridiculous in the short, but I like this a lot. Got the usual Star Wars charm, and the animation looks pretty goofy but really cool to me. Reminds me of Heavy Metal or something Ralph Bakashi would make.
 

Nudull

Banned
While we're focusing on holiday specials, I found the entire animated short used in the Star Wars Holiday Special.
Yep, Boba Fett's very first appearance. A full two years before Empire. Han's face looks ridiculous in the short, but I like this a lot. Got the usual Star Wars charm, and the animation looks pretty goofy but really cool to me. Reminds me of Heavy Metal or something Ralph Bakashi would make.

Wait, Han Solo was in that short? All these years, I thought it was Mick Jagger.
 
Since it was mentioned on the last page, I thought I'd mention that I discovered last night that Mickey's Christmas Carol IS in fact on Netflix. It's hidden in the DTV "Mickey's Magical Christmas: Snowed in at the House of Mouse" I remember watching a couple episodes back in the day and kinda dug the idea. Watching it now with this special... ugh. It's a huge step down from the Paul Rudish shorts. The animation just looks so sterile. Even the voice actors (who, aside from Mickey are the same) seem to lack the fun energy of the shorts. Their take on the Nutcracker is fun though, I'll give it that (it's got John Cleese!)

But at the tail end they show Mickey's Christmas Carol seemingly intact (minus opening and closign credits) with NO botched attempt at restoration like the Bluray.

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Penguin

Member
I just saw the fighting game episode of Justice League Action. The Batcave was literally ripped right out of Batman: The Animated Series (namely The New Batman Adventures). I guess it's safe to assume that Tim Drake is currently Robin in this continuity, while Dick Grayson is Nightwing.

That episode is a love-letter to DC. Movies, comics, TV shows, etc

Also Merry Christmas to the newest part of GAF
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
You're really going to love it when you watch the episode "Time Share", then. Batman TAS references fo days.

JLA is what TT:Go should have been in my opinion; a show that was more for kids, but still contained lots of action and showed kids the lesser known parts of the DC Universe.
Oh I saw it, & I adored that episode. But yeah, JLA is what TT:Go should have been.

That episode is a love-letter to DC. Movies, comics, TV shows, etc

Also Merry Christmas to the newest part of GAF
And probably had a DC fighting game I could enjoy more than Injustice (not that there's anything wrong with Injustice).

Merry Christmas, Western Animation GAF!
 

Finaj

Member
Man, Guillermo Del Toro's Trollhunters is great. I'm only 6 episodes in and already the show has good characters, a well-established world, some creepy bad guys (one of which is voiced by Ron Pearlman) and some real violence/tension not found is most animated shows.

More people should be watching this. It isn't blowing up quite like Voltron did.
 
Merry Christmas!!!

To celebrate such a special day, I thought I'd talk about one last and very amazing Christmas special.


A Charlie Brown Christmas is the first animated special based off the world famous Peanuts comic strip. It's a story about Charlie Brown, a wish washy and somewhat depressed blockhead who can't seem to find happiness among the modern Christmas attitudes. Determined to resist the commercialism his peers and own dog have so readily embraced, Charlie Brown seeks to find the true meaning of Christmas.


What the makers of this short were able to achieve is nothing short of a miracle. Charles Schulz created a phenomenal screenplay that works alongside the kid voice actors to combine very adult themes with very youthful characters. Vince Guaraldi, the composer for this cartoon, used jazz to make what are arguably some of the most iconic and recognizable musical pieces in pop culture. Songs like Skating, Christmas Time is Here, and Linus and Lucy would become syonymous with the Peanuts legacy even decades after.


The mood of the cartoon is also surreal. The minimal background detail and lack of shading lead to an almost muted Christmas, not a bustling one filled with traffic and noise but rather one befitting the small town setting this story takes place in. The absence of a laugh track, a notable departure from some kid cartoons in the 60's, led to a picture that one can ease oneself into rather than being pushed into it.



This short isn't perfect by any means. There's sudden audio cuts in both the soundtrack and dialogue that show a lack of finesse. The animation is incredibly simplistic and in some cases feels almost nonexistent with weird frames and movement being connected. There's even some very noticeable animation errors like a sign changing what it says between cuts.


Yet the cultural importance of this film cannot be understated. Despite its heavy religious themes the central message of the film I believe can be understood and learned by all. Christmas isn't about extravagance or flair. At the end of the day its coming together and learning to appreciate what you have and come out happy.


Goodnight everyone. I hope you all had a good Christmas!
 

Cheerilee

Member
Doug Walker (the Nostalgia Critic) just reviewed Tinker Bell (the 2008 direct-to-DVD CGI movie) as part of his look at the dreaded Disney Sequels, and I thought the review was a little weak, so I thought "what the heck", I'll just make my own. With words stretching on for miles, ha ha ha! I've been meaning for a while now to expand on why I like this movie. And the Western Animation |OT| seems like as good a place as any.


So in the 2000's and earlier, Tinkerbell was a major marketing juggernaut. Her face was on so much merchandise that I heard her called Disney's female Mickey Mouse, except that she moves more merch than Mickey, and she dares to be public domain (as opposed to Mickey who is the sworn enemy of public domain). Disney Consumer Products (the corporate entity responsible for the Disney Princess line) realized that aside from the terrible Disney Sequel "Return to Neverland" (a passion-project from the head of Disneytoon, the notorious sequel-factory), Disney hadn't actually done anything with Tinkerbell in literally half a century. Dreamworks could practically claim to have more ownership over Disney's money-making character due to Julia Roberts' performance in 1991's Hook (okay, wrong Dreamworks, but you get what I mean). So Disney's artists were tasked with creating a world for Tinkerbell, with new adventures and new characters to expand the marketing potential of their newly created "Disney Fairies" line (that's right, Tink officially isn't a "Princess", she's the lead of a different team built entirely around her, because the little lady who flies an arc over the Disney Castle at the start of almost every Disney movie is a little too overpowered to be called a Princess).

The head of Disneytoon (being a Peter Pan fangirl) took to these new orders with great excitement and agreed to produce a several-movie franchise, using the new CGI technology they picked up due to a fight Michael Eisner was having with golden-goose Pixar. Well, we all know how that battle ended, with Eisner getting the boot and Pixar taking his job. And when John Lasseter rose to power the first thing he did was put a target on Disneytoon's back, putting an immediate end to the cheap cash-in Disney Sequels. Disney Consumer Products requested that their Tinkerbell plans be exempt from that, and Lasseter said that'd be fine, so long as the movies weren't bad. So he went to visit the studio and found that they were horribly overbudget and had burned through a dozen writers/directors, and the footage they had was an unwatchable mess. He pulled the latest writer/director aside and asked what the problem was, and they said it was the head of the studio, she had gone mad trying to cram her fanfiction into the series. Lasseter had the writer/director pitch him an entirely new Tinkerbell movie on the spot, and he liked what they said, so he ordered a fresh start on this new movie. The studio head didn't take that very well, so she belayed Lasseter's orders and put everyone back to work on her fanfiction. When Lasseter found out, she was removed from her position, and a new era for Disneytoon was cemented. Lasseter brought in people from Pixar to help Disneytoon finish their movie on time.

But enough about the background intrigue, on with the movie.



The film is a prequel (if it connects to 1953's Peter Pan at all), and it explains how Neverland is a magical place that's home to fairies, magical creatures who manually operate the change of seasons (it's a fairytale, so don't ask silly questions). And Tink is born into this world when a baby's laugh is carried to Neverland on a dandelion seed.


After a purple-wearing fairy guides the dandelion seed in for a landing, an apparently-male fairy dumps a cup of magic sparkles on her head and Tinkerbell is born, immediately self-aware and speaking, wearing a dandelion-based white robe. A Queen-fairy appears in an excess of magic sparkles to welcome her. After a quick flying lesson, a ring of objects is placed around Tink. The Queen explains that it's a magical test to determine Tink's place in the world, each one obviously representing a diferent group of pretty fairies. As Tink tries to interact with each one, a quick failure indicates that her talent lies elsewhere. She walks past a rock-hammer to look at more interesting items (note, this is important), but her mere proximity was good enough and the hammer flies to her. As she grabs it, a flash of light indicates that she's found her purpose, and the onlookers comment that it's the brightest reaction they've ever seen, even bigger than the reaction produced by a fairy named Vidia (and Vidia, the purple fairy from before, is shown to be somewhat bothered by that comment).


Sorting concluded, the newly-named Tinkerbell is introduced to her people, the Tinker fairies. Bobble and Clank shove their way through the crowd of beautiful people, and it's clearly shocking to Tink. Not only are they loud and disruptive, but Bobble is a glasses-wearing nerd and Clank is a mentally-challenged giant. I've seen some people complain that these two characters are borderline offensive, and while that might be true in later Tinkerbell movies, in this movie that's the entire point. It's all about the look in her face when she sees them. If you haven't figured out where we're going with this yet, she doesn't want to be a Tinker. But they're not being blatant about it. She's not objecting to anything, she's just going with the flow, but her reactions constantly reinforce that this isn't the life that she would choose for herself.


Bobble and Clank lead her to her new home, Tinker's Nook, and she looks with amazement at a mountain lake with waterfalls and colorful trees in bloom. "Oh no, not there Miss Bell, we live down here" and she looks down to see a quaint village of grass huts in the mud. "Oh."


She looks around the village with growing enthusiasm and learns that Tinkers are the industrial core of the fairy world, as they show her the beautiful house they built for her, hoping in advance that the newcomer would be one of them. Although the new clothes they prepared for her are an oversized tent. Left to her own devices, she quickly modifies them to suit her tastes, creating her iconic little green dress and tying her hair back (and the Tinkers are stunned by how pretty she looks). She's introduced to her immediate supervisor, Fairy Mary, an older woman with some meat on her bones who is let down by the dainty Tink's lack of muscle. Don't worry Tink, you can bulk up in no time. Fairy Mary is a vision of Tink's future as a Tinker, a strong not-cute working-class woman. Tink's forced smile says it all.


But Tink shows some loyalty and covers for one of Bobble and Clank's mistakes, volunteering to help them do some deliveries. Along the way she meets some of the fairies we saw in the beginning of the movie, and learns about their various talents and the preparations they're making to change over to the next season. Eventually she sees Vidia, and excitedly wants to meet her. But they get off on the wrong foot as Tink breaks Vidia's concentration, messes up her work, and unknowingly insults her. After her upstaging, the prideful Vidia makes things crystal clear to Tink, Vidia is a flying force of nature, Tink sits in the mud and fixes pots and pans. Tink stands up for herself, saying that she'll prove her talent on the mainland, revealing to Vidia that she hasn't learned yet that Tinkers are a support class which doesn't go to the mainland, and Vidia is all too happy to give Tink the rope she needs to hang herself, so she accepts Tink's challenge.


In an emotional scene, Tink tries to show off during a royal inspection, failing with her inventions and making a fool out of herself in front of everyone, Queen included, not just through the failures but by even trying, as Vidia drinks up the schadenfreude.


Crushed, Tink admits what she knew all along, that Vidia was right, being a Tinker is lame. She realizes that instead of being great at Tinkering, she would rather be sub-par at literally anything else. So she convinces her non-Tinker friends to try and teach her their talents (this doubles as more introduction to the expanded cast). She tries twice to brute-force her way into learning their jobs, but a Tinker fairy simply can't manipulate water with her gestures or grab onto light with her bare hands. At work she's confronted about her extracurricular activities, and blurts out her displeasure with Tinkers, hurting the friends who've been nothing but kind to her. Her next attempt at a new job causes even more trouble for Vidia. A dejected Tink randomly repairs a music box she finds broken on the beach, and her onlooking friends gush over how this is what she was meant to do, and how this is something special and important, but Tink says that they don't understand how she feels, as her friends now refuse to continue helping her in her quest to find some other job.


For her last hope, Tink foolishly turns to Vidia for help, and Vidia predictably sets Tink up to fail. Actually, with a bit of Tinker ingenuity, Tink started to succeed, but Vidia tipped the scales to ensure Tink's failure. And in doing so, the two of them caused an avalance which ruined months worth of preparations to usher in spring. With tears in her eyes, Tink apologizes to the Queen. The Chosen One is now a full-blown failure and Tink doesn't know what's wrong with herself.


As Tink prepares to run off into self-imposed exile, she bumps into Terrence, a dust-keeper fairy who rations the supply of Pixie Dust. He empathasizes with her, because his job is lame too. Tink is aghast because Terrence's job is amazing, and Terrence agrees. He was just messing with her. He knows that his job is amazing, the question is, why can't Tink see that her job is amazing?


With something new to think about, Tink goes back to sit in her workshop until she realizes the flaw in her previous inventions. With the aid of Tink's new tools, the fairies are equipped to repair the damage and improve productivity in the future. Vidia blows up at the idea of Tinkerbell as the big hero, and in the heat of the moment she exposes her role in Tink's downfall. The Queen hands down an appropriate punishment, and Vidia takes it like a scolded child.


Tink is rewarded with a visit to the mainland, because it doesn't really matter if she visits the mainland, although Tink initially tries to turn it down, because it doesn't really matter if she visits the mainland. Tink delivers the music box to it's previous owner, a young Wendy Darling, but that's just a bit of Peter Pan fanservice. The End.


Overall, I really like the way the movie is about characters, and how they play off each other without an unneccasary amount of dialogue. Vidia is a real piece of work, but her character makes sense and you can tell where she came from and why she's acting the way she is. Tink plays around with themes of needing to be okay with who you are even when you're not getting exactly everything you want out of life. Doug suggested that she had themes of standing up for yourself and trying to take what you want to try and make your life better, which isn't what I saw in the movie, but that's the great thing about introducing something like a career crisis and then not beating anyone over the head with the "right answer". The scene of Tink's near-exile is given extra weight because this fairy world doesn't seem to exist in Peter Pan. It seems entirely conceivable that Tink could be headed towards a banishment, or worse (or, as becomes increasingly likely, the fairy world is simply not seen by Neverland's human visitors).

The music is great, and the CG graphics are fine. They were pretty advanced when the movie came out in the 2000's but they've become dated in hindsight, which is the curse of all CG. The real kick in the pants is that the ending has a series of images drawn in 2D, and after getting used to the CG over the course of the movie, it's shocking how good the 2D looks. Why oh why can't they just make these cartoons in 2D?


If there's any interest, I could probably review the Tinkerbell sequels too, or not, whatever.

Happy new year everybody!
 
I'd be interested in seeing you review the other movies, but I'm also interested in hearing about the development conflicts you touched on. I vaguely recall you talked about this in the MLP community thread, but that was a while ago.
 

Cheerilee

Member
I'd be interested in seeing you review the other movies, but I'm also interested in hearing about the development conflicts you touched on. I vaguely recall you talked about this in the MLP community thread, but that was a while ago.

Really not much more to say on that front (from the rumors I managed to dig up).

The studio head's version of the movie was to be called Tinkerbell and the Ring of Belief. Some test footage emerged.

It was a dream project for the Eisner-appointed studio head and she couldn't handle the blow to her artistic vision, so she straight-up defied Lasseter and got fired for it (technically, they moved her to an empty office on another floor and waited for her contract to expire, because that was cheaper than firing her, one could say she got Kojima'd, but with different context).

None of the other movies have any juicy stories that I'm aware of.
 

Psxphile

Member
BBC One's Revolting Rhymes, a two-part CG animated feature.

EDIT: looks like the videos got copyrighted off of youtube

It's based on the book by Roald Dahl.
By the end of Part One I was completely enthralled.
I swear that this won't be a waste of your time.
And by the end of it all, you might even rhyme.


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Does anyone else follow the fight animators on YouTube? The ones like Hyun's Dojo and others? I just love that stick fights took off from its more simpler times in the early 2000s and still going strong. I also love the awesome characters the animators make to have "fights" with each other. It's so cool.
 

zulux21

Member
Bravest Warriors Season 3 coming January 10th.

Teaser

keep in mind that it's vrv exclusive for a while.

I am not sure if you have to get a paid membership to vrv or if you just need to watch it on there, but either way vrv needs some more work put into it.

at the very least they should have a pc client but they don't :/
 
keep in mind that it's vrv exclusive for a while.

I am not sure if you have to get a paid membership to vrv or if you just need to watch it on there, but either way vrv needs some more work put into it.

at the very least they should have a pc client but they don't :/

You don't need a paid membership, except to watch the latest episodes i think, but that is only for a limited amount of time. At least that seemed to be the case with Bee and Puppycat(which, btw, had some crazy shit go down in the last episode) on my PS4. But yes, the program needs some work. First time i tried to watch it wouldn't even run the episode correctly (thankfully it got fixed later). I feel like it has way to many commercials(at least if you are watching for free) as well which just makes trying to watch anything annoying.
 
Really not much more to say on that front (from the rumors I managed to dig up).

The studio head's version of the movie was to be called Tinkerbell and the Ring of Belief. Some test footage emerged.

It was a dream project for the Eisner-appointed studio head and she couldn't handle the blow to her artistic vision, so she straight-up defied Lasseter and got fired for it (technically, they moved her to an empty office on another floor and waited for her contract to expire, because that was cheaper than firing her, one could say she got Kojima'd, but with different context).

None of the other movies have any juicy stories that I'm aware of.
Only related in the sense that it's DisneyToon, but I'm really curious as to what their upcoming theatrical release is, listed here: http://deadline.com/2015/10/ant-man-sequel-incredibles-2-release-dates-disney-1201570867/

I feel like if it was a Tinker Bell or Planes movie they would just say as much.

Personally I think it'd be a great opportunity for DisneyToon to start producing original 2D animated films. They clearly have the facility for it, their last sequels looked like they absolutely could have been put in theatres. Would be nice to see Disney invest in the medium, and it wouldn't take away from the main studio's ability to produce CG movies (which have all been great so it's not like I just hate CG animation, but come onnnnn).
 
Just finished Trollhunters. God damn, what a good show. Seriously, check it out.

Went through the whole show over the new years weekend after deciding to try it on a whim. Really enjoyed the first part and I am looking forward to see what happens next. I hope the death of the voice actor who plays Jim doesn't complicate things.
 

Penguin

Member
So question more for my personal enjoyment, but does anyone know any good animated/cartoon-centric podasts?

More shows than movies, but guess can do movies too
 
Likely of more interest to the MLP crowd, but Hasbro has announced a new cartoon based on the Hanazuki clothing and toyline (despite the name, it's apparently of Dutch origin), headed by Dave Polsky, who wrote many MLP episodes (and incidentally, thus won't return for season 7), and I believe this is the first new girls show from Hasbro since Meghan McCarthy became Hasbro’s "head of storytelling for girl brands".
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Starting with nine, 11-minute episodes that are a mix of colorful psychedelia crossed with anime influences, viewers will meet a girl named Hanazuki, who is gifted with powers that are tied to her many moods. In her orbit are bunny-like creatures called Hemkas, a sheriff of the moon named Dazzlessence Jones, and Kiazuki, who may or may not be a friend.

It's clearly targeted toward little girls, but it could be decent.
 

aasoncott

Member
Likely of more interest to the MLP crowd, but Hasbro has announced a new cartoon based on the Hanazuki clothing and toyline (despite the name, it's apparently of Dutch origin), headed by Dave Polsky, who wrote many MLP episodes (and incidentally, thus won't return for season 7), and I believe this is the first new girls show from Hasbro since Meghan McCarthy became Hasbro’s "head of storytelling for girl brands".


It's clearly targeted toward little girls, but it could be decent.

Oh hey, I worked on Hanazuki! I did concept work and was lead animator on an early iteration of the property. It's been through a lot of iterations since then. When I worked on it, it was very...fever-dream? And super gender-neutral. Sounds like pretty much every major idea and concept was gutted from it (including, from the looks of it, the main character).

Disappointed that they didn't keep it gender neutral, I really liked where it landed originally. Hopefully it retained some of its sheer insanity, though.

This explains why everything Hanazuki-related was scrubbed from the internet a while back.
 
Oh hey, I worked on Hanazuki! I did concept work and was lead animator on an early iteration of the property. It's been through a lot of iterations since then. When I worked on it, it was very...fever-dream? And super gender-neutral. Sounds like pretty much every major idea and concept was gutted from it (including, from the looks of it, the main character).

Disappointed that they didn't keep it gender neutral, I really liked where it landed originally. Hopefully it retained some of its sheer insanity, though.

This explains why everything Hanazuki-related was scrubbed from the internet a while back.

Really interesting! I'm guessing you can't say too much more, but it would be great if you could add more.

On the gender neutral subject, I think that there's room for obviously-girly things that are good.
 

aasoncott

Member
Really interesting! I'm guessing you can't say too much more, but it would be great if you could add more.

On the gender neutral subject, I think that there's room for obviously-girly things that are good.

Oh, definitely. And even though older incarnations had a gender-neutral design, they would have been...problematic. Originally, it was a male lead, and the title character was just the object of his affections, a diva-type character he was constantly trying to impress by bringing her gifts. Every plot revolved on him trying to guess the right type of gift to bring her. There were a series of mechanics around that, which all seem to be gone now.

It wasn't exactly feminist, so I'm glad things didn't actually end up going that way. The designs were great, though. "Fever dream" really is the best way to describe it. Stories had very little continuity, it was just a steady stream of insanity.

I did a handful of episodes, which never saw the light of day. It's sad how often that happens. I have a whole pile of stuff I was an animator or technical director on that I can't even acknowledge having ever existed. And some that I can acknowledge, but were buried very, very deep upon release (read: animated tie-ins for movies that bombed, which led the studio to immediately try to hide anything related to it).
 
Oh hey, I worked on Hanazuki! I did concept work and was lead animator on an early iteration of the property. It's been through a lot of iterations since then. When I worked on it, it was very...fever-dream? And super gender-neutral. Sounds like pretty much every major idea and concept was gutted from it (including, from the looks of it, the main character).

Disappointed that they didn't keep it gender neutral, I really liked where it landed originally. Hopefully it retained some of its sheer insanity, though.

This explains why everything Hanazuki-related was scrubbed from the internet a while back.
Wait, based on your profile, are you at Titmouse Vancouver? Or are you freelance. I have a handful of guesses who you might be I R L, but don't want to out you or embarrass myself.

I revised the final design of Hanazuki, rigged every character, did some animation here and there, and did storyboard revisions until the last few episodes. I guess by the time it was greenlit for a full production, it had already gone through some significant development changes, but all the material I remember seeing were some dialogue-free, AE-heavy, insane-o shorts without a narrative. Hanazuki still looked like a Hot Topic design at that point, before someone (who I dont think is you but could be) did a significant design pass that's close to the final design. Were those yours? Was there really a romance angle between Hanazuki and... Little Dreamer?

You're super right that the final product is VERY different in tone from the original property as well as what Hasbro initially conceived it as before their story department and Titmouse had some input, but (non-NDA-breaking spoilers) the writing and art direction on the show is still very purposefully gender neutral, so I'm surprised the announcement came down firmly aimed at a girl demographic. I feel like it might be as arbitrary a reason as the marketing department feels like boys won't have any interest in a show about a moody girl.

At least if the merchandise is marketed to girls, it increases the likelihood of hemka plushes.

The real revelation from Hasbro's press release is that Nerf is now a story-driven franchise. Huh.
 
While we're focusing on holiday specials, I found the entire animated short used in the Star Wars Holiday Special.
Yep, Boba Fett's very first appearance. A full two years before Empire. Han's face looks ridiculous in the short, but I like this a lot. Got the usual Star Wars charm, and the animation looks pretty goofy but really cool to me. Reminds me of Heavy Metal or something Ralph Bakashi would make.

The reason why it looks like Heavy Metal is because it was animated by Nelvana Studio's in Canada. Heavy Metal was actually made by many different studios (some from New York and some from Canada), but a couple of the segments were done by Nelvana. I also read rumors that Bakashi may have done some of the background art in this short. But he left his name off the credits for some reason. So It is hard to say.

The psychedelic portions of the animation does look like season two of the 1967 Spider-Man cartoon, which was produced by Ralph Bakashi's studio in New York. Season one was produced in Toronto by Krantz Films.

Nelvana did a lot of weird stuff like this in the mid '70's and early '80s before they went completely Care Bears. Rock & Rule was an odd quasi-follow up to Heavy Metal that was produced by Nelvana. It is not a sequel, but tries to follow the formula of Heavy Metal.

They also made two other Star Wars cartoons in the '1980's, Droids and Ewoks. Droids was done in the style of the Holiday Special cartoon while Ewoks was going for a more "kiddy" look.

Canadian produced animation always interested me.
 

aasoncott

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but all the material I remember seeing were some dialogue-free, AE-heavy, insane-o shorts without a narrative.

Ah, those 5-10 second shorts? I think that's what Niko Stumpo and Hanneke Metselaar gave Hasbro when they originally bought the property, just early animation proof-of-concepts. They were given to us as reference, but I think that was all pre-Hasbro.

At the time Hasbro was sticking pretty close to their original concepts, which (as you know from those clips) were PRETTY CRAZY. And super aggressive. But it was a ton of fun to work on, I could just go nuts with the animation.

This was pre-Titmouse. If you imagine those original proof-of-concepts stretched out into longer, more polished pieces, it's not shocking that Hasbro ended up reworking the whole thing. It was a little too far out there.

I have a warm place in my heart for Hanazuki. I really loved working on it, especially so early on in its life. I'm really curious to see how it turned out, in the end. Also, I'd love a Hemka plushy.

Little Dreamer trying to woo Hanazuki was the focus of everything, until Titmouse reworked it.

So, no, I wasn't at Titmouse. But it's probably pretty easy to guess my identity regardless :p

Also, since everything about the design and characters changed, I'm guessing this is a bit of a collector's item now? :)

 
Really loving this thread, and especially some of the animation posted so far including the Becky Prim stuff. Has me falling down a rabbit hole of animation and now I just want to watch The Incredibles or Ratatouille right now.

I guess my real contribution to the conversation is the fact that I took a class taught by the creator behind CatDog: Peter Hannan. What a stellar guy. It was mostly about animation idea development and how to craft good stories episode to episode, but also across a series. Creating real characters was another big point of his. He really liked a lot of my ideas which was super cool to hear at the time. Super encouraging!

Oh and fun fact: he composed and sang the CatDog theme song himself. He thought it was only going to be a demo reel and that an actual musician would be brought in to record it better. The studio liked his version so much that they just kept it. So, that's him singing and playing in the intro.
 
I'm really curious to see how it turned out, in the end. Also, I'd love a Hemka plushy.

Little Dreamer trying to woo Hanazuki was the focus of everything, until Titmouse reworked it.
That's amazing, and is the missing piece of the puzzle why Hasbro insisted on making sure the
space baby that spoke gibberish in a baby-voice wasn't implied to be as an actual "baby."

I hope you enjoyed doing development on the show, and see nuggets of your work in the final product. It certainly has come a long way from that original property, into a direction that makes sense for a toy company. You can see how we fared in putting hemkas with every color of the rainbow over a rainbow-colored background.

If the show defies all odds and becomes MLP lightning in a bottle somehow, liquidating that piece of sweet merch might buy you a new house. Also that the female Little Dreamer on the label is BLOWING MY MIND.
 

TEJ

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With Disney recently putting out a second animated series based on the lion king and future series based on tangled and big hero 6....which disney animated film do y'all think deserves the small screen treatment?

Zootopia would work I think. Plenty of storytelling potential there. Or maybe The Rescuers? Sword in the stone maybe?

It's a shame that disney ignores almost every tv series they've done that was based on an animated film when it comes to physical re-releases...
 

Tizoc

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I watched Revolting Rhymes from BBC. Pretty good IMO.

I need to get Ronald Dahl's books someday @_@
 
Chip n Dale Rescue Rangers was originally supposed to be a Rescuers show IIRC.

I always thought that was interesting.

Some lazy copy and paste:

tv tropes said:
Originally, the series was going to star Bernard and Bianca from The Rescuers, which would likely have departed from the books in favor of original content. However, when The Rescuers Down Under was greenlit for production, the series was extensively retooled. In the revised idea from series creator Tad Stones called Metro Mice, the show would center around a new team of heroic animals, which included a chameleon, a baseball-obsessed cricket, a far-sighted eagle, an earlier draft of Gadget, and a mouse that was like Monterey Jack, but had a different name. The main character, though, was an Indiana Jones-type mouse named Kit Colby who sported a fedora and a fluffy collared World War II bomber pilot jacket. When he proposed the show in a meeting with Michael Eisner and Jeffrey Katzenberg, the idea was well-received...except for the character of Kit Colby. At Eisner's suggestion, he was replaced with the chipmunk duo to give the show some established Disney characters to work with. The eagle, cricket and chameleon were dropped, and a fly was added to the mix.

a fansite said:
Some Ranger “facts”—some from Stones, some attributed to him—on the history and development of the Rangers.

From Stones

“The Rescuers was one of the first shows pitched after the success of ‘Ducktales’. Jeffrey Katzenberg nixed the idea because they had plans for a sequel (which became “Rescuers Down Under”). When we developed ‘Metro Mice’ (which eventually became ‘Chip ‘n Dale’s Rescue Rangers’) he said to ‘make this your ‘Rescuers’’.

“In many ways the Rescuers would be a better canvas for a series. Certainly there would be the chance of a repeating cast of international agents that would work with Bernard and Bianca. But at the center, I think the chipmunks were more appealing to kids than B & B since they felt like such middle-aged characters."
Attributed to Stones

Interview by Joseph Luna - When I interviewed Tad Stones (for a UCLA class), he showed me his original character designs, before Chip and Dale were integrated into the series. Chip's role was filled by a bland-looking Indiana Jones-type mouse; Gadget's role was filled by a chameleon (!) with glasses (I think; it was a while ago); I don't remember the others, except Monty was basically the same.

When the chipmunks were introduced, and further revisions adopted, the final picture emerged. But Stones’ designs were a little more "edged". Gadget, especially, was less cute and more... attractive, I guess, is the right word.

Once you start going down the rabbit hole, you can imagine Bonkers being a retooled Who Framed Roger Rabbit series as well.
 
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