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Legend of Zelda Mafia |OT| A Lynch to the Past

Sophia

Member
So... with Ty4on being mod confirmed as an item giver, confirming he gave an item to Splinter, Splinter claiming to have used said item on Night 3, and cop-claiming Nin as town... that's pretty strong towards them all either being town or not being scum-aligned, isn't it? Probably the closest thing we'll have to confirmation without them dying.

And since confirmation is on everyone's minds: I am Pink-Haired Link, vanilla town.

I didn't post this earlier because I didn't want to be a sitting duck for scum or the sk, but I guess there's no point of that anymore.

Also why would you do this when you're under no pressure and no mass claim was asked for?
 

*Splinter

Member
Yeah it does seem odd that you could potentially screw over a neutral AND effectively take the form of an on-command Innocent Child too.
Maybe the thief is the SK, maybe the thief is scum. I dunno, we're making assumptions here and I don't see it being a useful mystery to solve.
 

Kyanrute

Member
If I give up D1, the thief's presumed steal x items win con is impossible. Seems a bit weird.

This all makes me think that scum thief might be the simpler solution to the puzzle. Alternatively if neutral after all, wincon is something like steal just two items, what is relatively little.
 

nin1000

Banned
Why did you check Nin?

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Who would not check this madman
 

Ty4on

Member
So... with Ty4on being mod confirmed as an item giver, confirming he gave an item to Splinter, Splinter claiming to have used said item on Night 3, and cop-claiming Nin as town... that's pretty strong towards them all either being town or not being scum-aligned, isn't it? Probably the closest thing we'll have to confirmation without them dying.



Also why would you do this when you're under no pressure and no mass claim was asked for?
I don't understand the logic here in the slightest. There's nothing confirming Splinter in any way unless you town read him.
 

Sophia

Member
I don't understand the logic here in the slightest. There's nothing confirming Splinter in any way unless you town read him.

I guess it's possible Splinter lied about the item/use, but that also casts doubt on Nin still... that said, do you think he's scum?
 

Ty4on

Member
I actually can't read Nin too well this game either.

I didn't listen to your soundcloud file, so answer this when you get back, but why did you give an item to cabot, Ty?
Funny you should know that I answered that in the SoundCloud file

I wanted to be as certain as possible it didn't hit scum. Had no idea what the item did.
 

Ty4on

Member
You should be focused on driving, not recording SoundClouds. : |

And hmm... you realized cabot was a likely target to die, right?

Yes. Nobody getting the item is better than scum getting it. There was always the chance of cabot surviving another night as well.
 

Sophia

Member
Yes. Nobody getting the item is better than scum getting it. There was always the chance of cabot surviving another night as well.

*checks flip*

Ooh, I see. You *HAD* to give the item out. That makes the Innocent Child aspect of it make much more sense.

Okay, I fully understand where you were going with that.
 

Ty4on

Member
Holy shit, can I get a transcript of that? Quality and noises are killing me :p


//I'm not a part of this game, this is just a very... interesting... way of trying to communicate :D

But it's nice hearing you ;)

Hold on, that SoundCloud file you posted actually mattered? Guess I need to listen to that when I get back home...

I changed things here and there because I was so rambly, but here are the transcripts. The first few lines are kinda useless now, I just wanted to get the stuff about my role out there seeing as the mods were asleep.
Anyhow, about my role. I'm an item giver. I'm a masks sales man according to the fluff. I have no idea what items I'm giving away so I have no idea if the items are good for town, but I presume they are good because I am town myself. When it came to targets I chose Natiko on N1 because I read him very closely. I felt fairly confident that he was town. Splinter was a kind of odd choice, but again reading through him closely I couldn't see any of his scum tells... Actually the real reason was that I made a list, randomized the list and chose whatever was at the top, read that closely, that was Splinter, and I couldn't see any reason why Splinter was scum.

((Extra thoughts: The main tell was a slight lack of engagement. Splinter was late for the D1 lynch. Scum were probably quite aware of acohr's situation and I don't see scum!Splinter staying silent there.))
When I chose cabot I didn't know what any of my previous items had been so I was scared of hitting scum accidentally. I couldn't choose Splinter again because I can't pick the same person consecutively. So I chose to just play it safe and choose cabot. If he died at least I didn't give it to scum.

When it comes to today and lynch targets for me it's Sophia and AbsolutBro. I think if you look at Sophia, for me at least it's quite clear she's not playing as normal. She's asking a lot of questions, but they all seem meaningless - they don't progress - and there are no real conclusions drawn from the. If you look back, especially D1, and look at everybody she's suspicious you'll see they're almost all confirmed town now. I mean it's ok, we all make bad reads - I read Sorian as scum on D1 - , but a player as good and experienced as Sophia should also be making some town reads.
((Extra thoughts: ...and not just be suspicious of everybody))
When she does make a read of someone she's suspicious of you'll see that she doesn't go very far and never really going hard. I know she's generally a cautious player, but she's really cautious in this game. I mean she's one of the top posters and she didn't even vote on D2. How does that even happen. I'm almost thinking she's hiding a weird side effect from her scum role.

When it comes to AbsolutBro it's similar in a way. One thing I see with both of them is they're kinda pushing back theories. This reminds me of Pop mafia where when Crab died at night we saw that he had been given some cop roles. Alignment cop and role cop. I was looking through his posts and figuring out the order of his roles and who he had cleared. And it was very obvious Burbeting and Sawneeks, both of whom were scum, were trying to push back and always being suspicious instead of trying to solve the game and figure things out. I think you can see from the start of today AbsolutBro first of all throwing shade at me ((Kinda stopped my train of though, I was at my destination. ABs opening isn't the best example, but it feels like he's just throwing shade to spread confusion. There's no conclusions drawn from why I tried to start a new wagon)) and Sophia in general this game is very skeptical. She doesn't seem engaged in trying to figure out this game, figure out who are scum and town, she just seems engaged at trying to make us doubt everything.
 

Sophia

Member
When it comes to today and lynch targets for me it's Sophia and AbsolutBro. I think if you look at Sophia, for me at least it's quite clear she's not playing as normal. She's asking a lot of questions, but they all seem meaningless - they don't progress - and there are no real conclusions drawn from the. If you look back, especially D1, and look at everybody she's suspicious you'll see they're almost all confirmed town now. I mean it's ok, we all make bad reads - I read Sorian as scum on D1 - , but a player as good and experienced as Sophia should also be making some town reads.

It is true. All of my suspected scum have turned out to be town this game. I have no counter-argument or defense to this.
 
Some good news: nin is clean

I received an item N2, used it on nin.
For clarity, if you don't mind answering, was it a role cop or alignment cop?

Trying to start a vote train against a town lynch, how scummy :>
We have seen your flip, so you had literally no way to know for sure that melon was town.

You trying to force a tie 'for the lulz' was extrememly scummy, though I realized eventually you had no chance of getting lynched. By the time I realized this, it was so close to the end that switching my vote to melon or ty would've made me look scummy.
Out of curiousity, if you had had more time, who if anyone would you have moved your vote to?


I changed things here and there because I was so rambly, but here are the transcripts. The first few lines are kinda useless now, I just wanted to get the stuff about my role out there seeing as the mods were asleep.
"Throwing shade" because you tried to mess with the voting <10 minutes before the day end? You seriously don't see how that's shit town play?I would have gone after you for it during this day phase, but Sawneek's confirmed you as town.
 

Ty4on

Member
I'm heading out to work now, but if you chose Cabot last night shouldn't the item have been revealed when he flipped? Unless whoever killed him had priority over the item giving. I guess I've always assumed kills happened after everything else.
Sorry Ynnek for missing this post
This is a good observation. Hadn't thought about that.

I checked with Sawneeks and cabot should've flipped with an item had he received one last night.
I lied, I didn't bestow cabot last night. Thought town should know since scum have probably figured it out already.
 

Ty4on

Member
Am I crazy for town reading that post by Ynnek? Scum are probably more interested in figuring out the target than town (and may know something contradictory), but it didn't look like he wanted to fish anything out of me.
I guess it's possible Splinter lied about the item/use, but that also casts doubt on Nin still... that said, do you think he's scum?
I still trust him, but from your PoV it hinges on Splinter being town. I don't see how my flip changes much. Make little sense for scum to claim an item they didn't receive when I could just counter claim.
 

Sophia

Member
Am I crazy for town reading that post by Ynnek? Scum are probably more interested in figuring out the target than town (and may know something contradictory), but it didn't look like he wanted to fish anything out of me.

I still trust him, but from your PoV it hinges on Splinter being town. I don't see how my flip changes much. Make little sense for scum to claim an item they didn't receive when I could just counter claim.

Nah, I town read it slightly too.
 

MagnumBoy20xx

Neo Member
OK, so with the new revelations on who has been confirmed as town I went back to look at the vote results from the past three days.

day one votes

day two votes

day three votes

Looking at the votes, I noticed a pattern in one player's voting in particular:ynnek7.

On day one he only voted for CCS, who we know was town. He did the same on day two as well. On day three he voted for stanleypalmtree,who has been confirmed as town,as his only vote for the day.

Ynnek7 has only voted once per day and every time he has voted, he as voted for someone who was town. This is something that, in my opinion, points to him as being scum.

vote:ynnek7
 

Sawneeks

Banned
Zelda Fact of the Day #10: Did you know that the Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons, Four Swords, and Minish Cap games were all made by Capcom? They are part of a small group of Zelda games that were not made by Nintendo. Now you know!

Current Vote Count:

ynnek7 (1)
magnumboy20xx 2529

Majority is 6

Day 4 Ends in:
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Vote Count can be found HERE
 

*Splinter

Member
OK, so with the new revelations on who has been confirmed as town I went back to look at the vote results from the past three days.

day one votes

day two votes

day three votes

Looking at the votes, I noticed a pattern in one player's voting in particular:ynnek7.

On day one he only voted for CCS, who we know was town. He did the same on day two as well. On day three he voted for stanleypalmtree,who has been confirmed as town,as his only vote for the day.

Ynnek7 has only voted once per day and every time he has voted, he as voted for someone who was town. This is something that, in my opinion, points to him as being scum.

vote:ynnek7
Uhh

Ynnek is my top candidate at the moment (Bronx feels too aggressive), but this is some poor reasoning.
 

nin1000

Banned
hi mr narrative here again with a post that will rock your socks off

What were these arguments that you fancied and why?

So Kyan. Who would be the most likely you would vote for.
Or lets make it more interesting.

Your top 3 candidates.

I know ofc that i will not be voted out lol.

I will be trying to be more productive this day and will put down a legit list on who i think will be most likely be scum/neutral.

I love this game far too much.
 

Kyanrute

Member
So Kyan. Who would be the most likely you would vote for.
Or lets make it more interesting.

Your top 3 candidates.

I know ofc that i will not be voted out lol.

I will be trying to be more productive this day and will put down a legit list on who i think will be most likely be scum/neutral.

I love this game far too much.

Obviously not Ty. Nor should you die in my opinion, Splinter would be the one to go for if one would want to know what you two really are. Might need to kill you both to be sure, hopefully that is not needed. While Splinter's alignment is still bit hazy, I do not really see a good reason for scum to do what he did. Thus, I feel he and you can be trusted as long as there are more convincing cases to follow. Leaves Sophia, Absolut, myself, Ynnek, Bronx, Terra and Magnum. If I am correct with my theories for once, three scum and a very serious killer among those seven. The odds are not bad. I'll invoke the re-read clause here and state that my opinions are subject to change up to the point I get the chance to re-read through the suspects some time later today I imagine.

But the point of this post was to give you and everyone some insight to my thoughts right now, in order for you to judge if I am being coherent with my ideas. I don't want to be lynched after all. Me speculating about lylo and whatnot was done in order to determine if we can mislynch today. I think we can, technically at least. Enter the inactives and the vote record. Who voted to protect acohrs on day one? Everyone on the CCS d1 train apart from Ynnek and Bronx have been confirmed as town.

Candidate no. 1 right now is Ynnek. He has a bad vote record with CCS, CCS and Stan. I feel his posts can be bit safe and defensive. There are some other bits too, but those require quotes and that will come with the re-read.

2nd is Bronx. His aggressiveness and some of his comments that I find illogical trouble me. This is not scum play by the books. He assumes alignments too easily what seems like a careless mistake for scum to make. His logical strangeness as well seems like something that scum should pick up and fix before posting. Too scummy to be scum is a shit defense but that's why Ynnek goes 1st.

Number three is harder because a new argument has to be made. Magnum is entirely one-dimensional with his posts I feel. Surely scum would try harder is my thought. I have no clear opinion about Absolut or Terra without a re-read. Sophia for the 3rd candidate. I'll echo Ty a bit here: she's coasting in terms of committing to a vote. She is on the record for being indifferent towards CCS vs. acohrs iirc. She had no vote on day two. And her day three vote kinda had to be gouged out of her. Re-read should show if she has actually held any strong opinions throughout the game.
 
Obviously not Ty. Nor should you die in my opinion, Splinter would be the one to go for if one would want to know what you two really are. Might need to kill you both to be sure, hopefully that is not needed. While Splinter's alignment is still bit hazy, I do not really see a good reason for scum to do what he did. Thus, I feel he and you can be trusted as long as there are more convincing cases to follow. Leaves Sophia, Absolut, myself, Ynnek, Bronx, Terra and Magnum. If I am correct with my theories for once, three scum and a very serious killer among those seven. The odds are not bad. I'll invoke the re-read clause here and state that my opinions are subject to change up to the point I get the chance to re-read through the suspects some time later today I imagine.
Out of curiousity, what makes you so sure Splinter is not the SK? He is not in your list of potentials.

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why is it so silent ?
I am a US federal government employee. You can imagine things are crazy right now. ;_;
 

Terrabyte20xx

Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
I don't know what it is but something just feels a little off. Like there's something right in our faces that we're missing.
 

Kyanrute

Member
Out of curiousity, what makes you so sure Splinter is not the SK? He is not in your list of potentials.

You reminded me of a question that I wanted to bring up: can anyone give me some SK wincons from past Gafia games? This would be my 1st game playing with one.

To answer the question, I did not speculate about the SK apart from the single mention there. I'm looking for scum, not for the SK. There are various reasons for this.

1. SK can kill scum - they are a threat to both sides. Just happens to be that town has been taking the hits so far, but as people keep dying off, it becomes more likely for the SK to hit scum.
2. Scum can kill the SK. Unless scum know who the SK is, they might hit them with their night kill. To town, this would be a potential threat removed and a townie saved, both at the same time.
3. Both scum and SK want to survive but only the scum are a team. Scum have to protect each other and this can leave tracks, making it easier to see them. SK on the other hand just wants to hide and do their thing. I think it is easier to get a hit on scum than on the SK.

In short, SK can hurt scum as well as town while scum only hurt town (scum wincon is to control votes, any non-scum player removed advances this). In addition, I think scum are easier to identify than the SK.
 

Sophia

Member
wth.gif

why is it so silent ?

I had stuff I had to do today and just got back. Sorry if that's an issue for you. :p

I don't know what it is but something just feels a little off. Like there's something right in our faces that we're missing.

Well, you are a bit of a wildcard, given your lack of presence in Day 1. Who are you reading as scum right now?

Personally, I'm most interested in those who weren't on the acohrs lynch. AB, Ynnek, Bronx, Magnum, and technically yourself too. It doesn't help that outside of AB, a few of you have been quiet to provide your opinions on stuff.
 

Sophia

Member
Also, Kyan, I am simultaneously impressed with how you've stepped up to the plate with observations... and also worried because you've done similar things in the past as scum. =P
 

Kyanrute

Member
Also, Kyan, I am simultaneously impressed with how you've stepped up to the plate with observations... and also worried because you've done similar things in the past as scum. =P

If this comment is genuine, I am happy. This all is an elaborate long con to make town Kyan and scum Kyan to seem as similar as possible.

then when i next get scum imma kill you all

: 3
 

Terrabyte20xx

Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
I had stuff I had to do today and just got back. Sorry if that's an issue for you. :p



Well, you are a bit of a wildcard, given your lack of presence in Day 1. Who are you reading as scum right now?

Personally, I'm most interested in those who weren't on the acohrs lynch. AB, Ynnek, Bronx, Magnum, and technically yourself too. It doesn't help that outside of AB, a few of you have been quiet to provide your opinions on stuff.
I don't think you are on the wrong track, but the thought did occur to me that it's possible there could be a hard core bus situation. I don't know if now's the time to actually consider that possibility though.

As for my scum reads, I said earlier that I interested more in the ones not on a main Lynch. Bronx, Ynnek and Ty. Ty is confirmed town now so that leaves us with Bronx and Ynnek. I'd like to add a third name to that list but I'm still working on that.
 
You reminded me of a question that I wanted to bring up: can anyone give me some SK wincons from past Gafia games? This would be my 1st game playing with one.

To answer the question, I did not speculate about the SK apart from the single mention there. I'm looking for scum, not for the SK. There are various reasons for this.

1. SK can kill scum - they are a threat to both sides. Just happens to be that town has been taking the hits so far, but as people keep dying off, it becomes more likely for the SK to hit scum.
2. Scum can kill the SK. Unless scum know who the SK is, they might hit them with their night kill. To town, this would be a potential threat removed and a townie saved, both at the same time.
3. Both scum and SK want to survive but only the scum are a team. Scum have to protect each other and this can leave tracks, making it easier to see them. SK on the other hand just wants to hide and do their thing. I think it is easier to get a hit on scum than on the SK.

In short, SK can hurt scum as well as town while scum only hurt town (scum wincon is to control votes, any non-scum player removed advances this). In addition, I think scum are easier to identify than the SK.
Had a long reply typed out but my tablet ate it so here is a shorter version.

1. SKs AFAIK have previously either won by 'kill x players' or 'be the last man standing'. This SK could, of course, have another win condition.

2. "I did not speculate about the SK, except when I speculated about the SK." You also did not answer my actual question: you excluded *Splinter from the list of possible SKs (and scum despite his alignment being "hazy"). Any specific reason why?

3. I realize and agree that scum is and should be the priority, but do not forget the SK has to be removed for town to win. If scum are so much easier to spot as you say, spending some time on the SK is not exactly wasted time.

More when my boss is not 10 feet from me.
 

nin1000

Banned
I don't think you are on the wrong track, but the thought did occur to me that it's possible there could be a hard core bus situation. I don't know if now's the time to actually consider that possibility though.

As for my scum reads, I said earlier that I interested more in the ones not on a main Lynch. Bronx, Ynnek and Ty. Ty is confirmed town now so that leaves us with Bronx and Ynnek. I'd like to add a third name to that list but I'm still working on that.
How about your brother ?
 
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