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[Icolin]

I know right, that legit must suck having to record a whole episode only for it to not record aha. Pete's a legit stand up guy tho for coming back on.

Indeed. Can't wait for the next Gamescast, so maybe some of the topics that would've been in the last one, like Marvel's gaming strategy, might be covered.

That being said, of course I'm also looking forward to PSILYXOXO, as always.

 

[jacobeid]

In Kinda Funny related news, this week's Gamescast is Greg sitting down with Pete Hines from Bethesda. It's great so far and I highly recommend it to everyone ^_^

https://youtu.be/3EZkcAvi_dI

Awesome, thank you. Watching now.

 

[MakeMeFeelAlive]

Thank you for replying, but you didn't really answer the main point of each.

1. What have democrats done that is really the equivalent of the obstruction of the Republicans in the Obama era?

2. Yes, I know many of these people need help. I also don't like when people talk a lot of smack about them being dumb hicks or something (again, my own brother). But their ideas are abhorrent, and I have no desire to reach out to them in regards to politics. To some degree, like it or not, this is about ignorance - look at Kentucky where Obamacare is popular because it is called something different. How do you square that?

3. Obama met Romney's economic campaign promises re: the unemployment rate in half the time Romney was promising, without blowing up the deficit, which Romney's tax cuts would have done.

But set that aside, we don't need to re-litigate that. Obama won, and based on his near 60% approval rating when he left, most were happy he won. The main point was that you act like Romney was so demonized, but ignore the birther bullshit against Obama, which is 1000x worse than anything Romney faced.

In fact, reading back, you didn't acknowledge the birther point at all, and how these people I'm supposed to feel sorry for made the Birther-in-Chief commander in chief.

Democrats are in for a rough 2018 regardless unless Trump continues to be historically unpopular, the map leans too favorably to the GOP. But in 2020, unless Obama's economy saves Trump, he is probably going down. He only barely won this year thanks to a total of 80,000 votes across three states, and he lost the popular vote by millions (national polls ended up not being so far off, the state polls in the midwest were just busted).

Anyway, thank you for taking the time, hope your day is going well

I also think Mitt Romney got away with a lot. For instance, to this day, I meet people who are still under the mistaken impression that the Democrats had a super majority. That is wrong and false and was perpetuated by Romney during his campaign. Most of his campaign was aimed at suggesting the Democrats were forcing everything through and not working with the other side, which is comoletely false. In reality, the right completely avoided working with the left. This fueled and galvanized the the right which led to the creation that is trump. I honestly believe his, Trump, platform was a result of what the republicans propaganda for years.

 

[Caipirinha]

That's good to know that your stance hasn't changed. Given the other things you have said, it's become increasingly clear that you don't actually care much about minority issues. It's all just sort of lip service or this new platform or point for you to espouse your views about and around.

Tbf, Hillary Clinton doesn't care much about minority issues. Look at her track record.

To be fair to libertarians, their critique of the status quo eg. Hillary, the banking sector etc. is usually very good (and often far more analytical and specific than the broad moralising that the left currently defaults to), it's just their religious devotion to free market fundamentalism as an alternative that's the problem. The puritanism of that ideology appeals to their personality so much so that they really don't have time to imagine the practical effects it would have on society.

Doesn't matter really because the libertarians are quickly realising they are not benefitting from the collapse of the status quo any more than the left is. Trump/Brexit/Le Pen represent not just a failure of the left but a failure of the libertarian right, it's nationalism that is on the rise, just as it always does when capitalism fails to provide.

I suppose I should be more like Varoufakis and attempt to find common ground with libertarians in terms of the individual liberty side of things, but at the end of the day the true meaning of liberty to a libertarian is social freedom for all but economic freedom for themselves at the expense of others and absolutely no institutional means to limit inequality, for fear of it taking so much as a penny from their pocket. I just struggle to understand why Colin thinks that a video game pundit is likely to particularly prosper in that brave new world of massive inequality and precarious existence.

 

[meanspartan]

That's good to know that your stance hasn't changed. Given the other things you have said, it's become increasingly clear that you don't actually care much about minority issues. It's all just sort of lip service or this new platform or point for you to espouse your views about and around.

Since that's the case, I'll hop out of the discussion here and let you go back to talking with your fans and other posters here. I'm not interested in a discussion with another white, privileged male who feigns interest with passing cursory knowledge of the issues. Those are a dime a dozen on Internet as is.

His hatred of Hillary is baffling, at least in regards to how much he hates her over and above other "boring" politicians.

He calls her a "criminal", but no one has gone to prison for what she did, at most they've lost their job and security clearance. It was a fuckup sure, but one that was blown way out of proportion, especially compared to how outrageous Trump was.

Honestly, I feel that maintaining the position that if forced to choose between Trump and Hillary you'd pick Trump - after his clusterfuck first two weeks - it is pretty damn close to abhorrent. Hillary was irresponsible with her email. Trump is irresponsible in how he treats key allies lol. He's already done more damage to our image than any careless email practices ever did.

And don't even get me started on the Benghazi BS. Bob Gates said that anyone criticizing the response of the US essentially had a "Comic book understanding" of military capabilities, and he was right.

Imagine if this current minor (in the grand scheme of things) clusterfuck in Yemen happened under a young Clinton administration - the GOP congress would have already declared 5 investigations. Right now, they refuse to even look into Trump hypocritically still using his unsecured phone and reports of his staff using RNC servers for email. The double standard is just insane.

Then again, re-arguing for Clinton is a waste of time. She would have made a decent President IMO, but who cares, she's done. Even aside from the email bullshit, she was just a terrible candidate. Her husband, or Obama, or perhaps even Bernie would have wiped the floor with Trump. Ya, she won the popular vote, but it should have never even been that close. Let's focus on getting a good candidate for 2020, and if Trump is unpopular enough, taking the Senate in 2018.

 

[Primethius]

Tbf, Hillary Clinton doesn't care much about minority issues. Look at her track record.

To be fair to libertarians, their critique of the status quo eg. Hillary, the banking sector etc. is usually very good, it's just their religious devotion to free market fundamentalism as an alternative that's the problem. The puritanical appeal of that ideology appeals to their personality so much so that they really don't have time to imagine the practical effects it would have on society.

Doesn't matter really because the libertarians are quickly realising they are not benefitting from the collapse of the status quo any more than the left is. Trump/Brexit/Le Pen represent not just a failure of the left but a failure of the libertarian right, it's nationalism that is on the rise, just as it always does when capitalism fails to provide.

I suppose I should be more like Varoufakis and attempt to find common ground with libertarians in terms of the individual liberty side of things, but at the end of the day the true meaning of liberty to a libertarian is social freedom for all but economic freedom for themselves at the expense of others and absolutely no institutional means to limit inequality, for fear of it taking so much as a penny from their pocket.

Tbh, as a minority whose entire extended family is Muslim, being told that there isn't much of a difference between a Republican candidate and a Democratic candidate in regards to minority issues is the funniest thing ever.

Guess I've been living in some bizarro America this entire time.

 

[meanspartan]

Tbh, as a minority whose entire extended family is Muslim, being told that there isn't much of a difference between a Republican candidate and a Democratic candidate in regards to minority issues is the funniest thing ever.

Guess I've been living in some bizarro America this entire time.

Ya, people aren't understanding that apathy towards a group, while not laudable, is still way way better than outright antagonism.

 

[Caipirinha]

Tbh, as a minority whose entire extended family is Muslim, being told that there isn't much of a difference between a Republican candidate and a Democratic candidate in regards to minority issues is the funniest thing ever.

Guess I've been living in some bizarro America this entire time.

I was referring mainly to African Americans when it comes to Hillary, who seems to be lauded as doing so much for that community (and Bill too), whilst in practice continued doing the same harm that republicans had been doing for decades before that.

It's all very well to say nice things at rallies and in press conferences but the bills she actually signed tell a very different story.

 

[Primethius]

Ya, people aren't understanding that apathy towards a group, while not laudable, is still way way better than outright antagonism.

Precisely. Largely, the democratic stance is slow progress with a side of status quo. The republican stance is "strip the rights baby, let's go!"

I was referring mainly to African Americans when it comes to Hillary, who seems to be lauded as doing so much for that community (and Bill too), whilst in practice continued doing the same harm that republicans had been doing for decades before that.

It's all very well to say nice things in press conferences but the bills she actually signed tell a very different story.

I was replying to Colin on an issue that was sparked by the recent immigration ban and so on, which primarily targets Muslim populated countries. And no, democrats are still far better than republicans for African Americans. That's why that block of voters favors democrats so heavily. And here's the thing: it's not about Hillary.

I personally, and I'm sure many others do the same, will laugh at a person who pretends to care about issues (such as minority related ones) and all they're really capable of is Internet lip-service. That might as well be good for nothing in actually accomplishing much of anything.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Unsubscribing until this trash heap is cleaned.

Thanks for all the content Colin and Greg. You guys and Giant Bomb are the only two I bother following anymore.

 

[Icolin]

Unsubscribing until this trash heap is cleaned.

Thanks for all the content Colin and Greg. You guys and Giant Bomb are the only two I bother following anymore.

It'll probably be gone when the next episode comes out tomorrow, because then there's something new to discuss.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

It'll probably be gone when the next episode comes out tomorrow, because then there's something new to discuss.

Yeah maybe for a day or two. Then people feel the need to bash people with different views.

I don't go on NeoGaf for politics.

 

[Arkage]

Tbf, Hillary Clinton doesn't care much about minority issues. Look at her track record.

To be fair to libertarians, their critique of the status quo eg. Hillary, the banking sector etc. is usually very good (and often far more analytical and specific than the broad moralising that the left currently defaults to), it's just their religious devotion to free market fundamentalism as an alternative that's the problem. The puritanism of that ideology appeals to their personality so much so that they really don't have time to imagine the practical effects it would have on society.

Doesn't matter really because the libertarians are quickly realising they are not benefitting from the collapse of the status quo any more than the left is. Trump/Brexit/Le Pen represent not just a failure of the left but a failure of the libertarian right, it's nationalism that is on the rise, just as it always does when capitalism fails to provide.

I suppose I should be more like Varoufakis and attempt to find common ground with libertarians in terms of the individual liberty side of things, but at the end of the day the true meaning of liberty to a libertarian is social freedom for all but economic freedom for themselves at the expense of others and absolutely no institutional means to limit inequality, for fear of it taking so much as a penny from their pocket. I just struggle to understand why Colin thinks that a video game pundit is likely to particularly prosper in that brave new world of massive inequality and precarious existence.

I agree with all of this. My strategy is to just keep quoting the CATO institute at them. Honestly I find libertarians much more rational than conservatives at this point. They keep the budget cutting issue that conservatives love, and do so without the anti-immigration, anti-social liberty, pro-Christian(laughable considering Trump), pro-executive powers, pro-altright garbage. But then I doubt they'll get the limelight anytime soon running goofballs like Gary Johnson, and the debate committee pushing out 3rd parties via arbitrary rules.

 

[Icolin]

Yeah maybe for a day or two. Then people feel the need to bash people with different views.

I don't go on NeoGaf for politics.

If you think this thread is a lot of bashing on different views, then you definitely missed the last Colin Was Right thread.

Although this thread is a lot more reasonable than the other one.

 

[family_guy]

Sorry, but I'm not going to be taking my moral compass from NeoGAF. If you think that I need to read what's been said about me to understand, I suggest you do the same. Many of these threads are the definition of unhinged, and NeoGAF is well, well, well outside of the political mainstream with its viewpoints.

When you classify NeoGAF collectively as if it's a hive mind, you're acting no better than those people who call all Trump supporters racists, misogynist, etc. That's the very thing you told people to be careful of. Sure there's a bunch of vitriol being thrown your way, but there's also people who try to engage you with respect, but it seems like you want(or originally wanted) to focus more on the negativity, which caused you to leave in the first place. Are you telling me you can't take any criticism in these threads as constructive criticism because it's NeoGAF? When you left the forum, it's almost as if you left to go to a safe space, something you seem very much against going by your Twitter comments.

https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/632215201618595840?lang=en

 

[meanspartan]

https://twitter.com/notaxation/status/632215201618595840?lang=en

Well, I don't disagree with him there. While I am fine with the principle of "don't be a dick" (as in, if you know someone who had a traumatic experience, don't bring up that subject around them), PC culture went way too far.

I'm in the Bill Maher school of though on that shit lol, and it mostly overlaps with Colin's views. Fuck the regressive left, they are not real liberals.

My own disagreement was just equating the regressive left to the right. We didn't go and make our worst elements President.

 

[Sauce Marlow]

I still want to know who thought it was a good idea to title a video "The Last Guardian Review" when only one person had played more than an hour. Did you expect anything other than negative backlash?

 

[Mezoly]

I still want to know who thought it was a good idea to title a video "The Last Guardian Review" when only one person had played more than an hour. Did you expect anything other than negative backlash?

Tim's idea because he finished the game and reviewed it in the video. I think he retitled later on though.

 

[notaxation]

Well, I don't disagree with him there. While I am fine with the principle of "don't be a dick" (as in, if you know someone who had a traumatic experience, don't bring up that subject around them), PC culture went way too far.

I'm in the Bill Maher school of though on that shit lol, and it mostly overlaps with Colin's views. Fuck the regressive left, they are not real liberals.

My own disagreement was just equating the regressive left to the right. We didn't go and make our worst elements President.

I love Bill Maher, because he calls things as he sees them, and not in such a way so as to conform to what his "side" wants. Radical Islamic terrorism is a great example. He's spot on about it. That doesn't mean he isn't a hardcore liberal, because he is. It just means he's not orthodox. And I fucking LOVE that.

Of course, I disagree with him a ton, too, but that's why I watch him every week. My girlfriend even got me tickets to see him live in the coming months, which was shockingly expensive, extremely generous, and something I'm looking forward to.

I still want to know who thought it was a good idea to title a video "The Last Guardian Review" when only one person had played more than an hour. Did you expect anything other than negative backlash?

Tim names KFGC topics, and I agree that we've been off on the way some of them have been titled. But we're listening and trying to improve. Like me, the rest of the guys will also make some mistakes.

That's good to know that your stance hasn't changed. Given the other things you have said, it's become increasingly clear that you don't actually care much about minority issues. It's all just sort of lip service or this new platform or point for you to espouse your views about and around.

Since that's the case, I'll hop out of the discussion here and let you go back to talking with your fans and other posters here. I'm not interested in a discussion with another white, privileged male who feigns interest with passing cursory knowledge of the issues. Those are a dime a dozen on Internet as is.

I'll just reiterate what I said above, in another form: I hold zero shame being a straight, white male. That's how I was born. I've treated people with respect and dignity since I was a small child. That's how I was raised. I've done the very best that I can.

That said, it's strange that you'd ignore all of the work I HAVE done for social causes in propagating positive discussion in videos and podcasts with millions of cumulative views and listeners ranging on topics from Ferguson to the Muslim ban. Which, I hate to say it, is far more actionable and positive than a vast majority of folks have done, including you, I assume.

But cover your ears so your feelings don't get hurt. If I don't agree with you, I'm a bad, bad man!

Yeah, this was an awesome discussion. Shame that the original Gamescast with Tim and Colin also on had technical hiccups; would've loved to have heard Colin's insights and questions for Pete.

Dude, don't even get me started. The podcast we originally recorded with Pete was one of the best shows we've ever done. And I don't even mean we as KF. Greg and I have been podcasting for nearly a decade, and it was one of the best all-time. And it's gone to history. It's a bummer.

Do you know that's the first time Greg and I ever lost a podcast in the history of Beyond or KF? True story.

Indeed. Can't wait for the next Gamescast, so maybe some of the topics that would've been in the last one, like Marvel's gaming strategy, might be covered.

That being said, of course I'm also looking forward to PSILYXOXO, as always.

Tomorrow's episode of PSILY is interesting. I'm intrigued to see what people think of it. I'll spoil it for you a bit: it's all about the people in the industry who have helped us and guided us and assisted us along the way. IGN (and ex-IGN) folks. PR people. Devs. Pubs. You name it.

I think it was fun to record, and I hope it's equally fun to listen to.

His hatred of Hillary is baffling, at least in regards to how much he hates her over and above other "boring" politicians.

Find me a New York Republican -- Rockefeller-branded or otherwise -- who likes Hillary Clinton.

It might be baffling to you, but it certainly isn't baffling to us. ESPECIALLY if you come from Long Island (just look up Rick Lazio if you want more information).

Unsubscribing until this trash heap is cleaned.

Thanks for all the content Colin and Greg. You guys and Giant Bomb are the only two I bother following anymore.

You're welcome. I'm glad you enjoy the content.

I've heard a great deal about how great Giant Bomb is, but I never watch or listen. No time. A guilty secret, although I guess it's not that secret, as I bring it up once in a blue moon: I consume literally zero gaming content outside of reading news and The Jimquisition, and whatever is randomly circulating on Twitter. I don't watch videos on YouTube or elsewhere, I don't listen to podcasts, et cetera.

In the realm of entertainment outside of the act of playing, I'm all about those politics and that history, breh.

I agree with all of this. My strategy is to just keep quoting the CATO institute at them. Honestly I find libertarians much more rational than conservatives at this point.

There are rational people all over the spectrum. Libertarians should be lauded for their social stances, at the very least. The only sides I think aren't rational are the extremes.

I fucking hate, hate, HATE the terms "snowflake" or "cuck" or whatever else is thrown around, but I'm loving that term "regressive." Because it's true.

 

[TheCowboyPoet]

I've heard a great deal about how great Giant Bomb is, but I never watch or listen. No time. A guilty secret, although I guess it's not that secret, as I bring it up once in a blue moon: I consume literally zero gaming content outside of reading news and The Jimquisition, and whatever is randomly circulating on Twitter. I don't watch videos on YouTube or elsewhere, I don't listen to podcasts, et cetera.

In the realm of entertainment outside of the act of playing, I'm all about those politics and that history, breh.

Honest question, no snark. In your quest to improve, don't you think it would be beneficial to see what your peers are doing? You make YouTube videos for a living, wouldn't watching what Giant Bomb, Easy Allies, etc are up to be a good idea?

 

[hououinkyouma00]

You're welcome. I'm glad you enjoy the content.

I've heard a great deal about how great Giant Bomb is, but I never watch or listen. No time. A guilty secret, although I guess it's not that secret, as I bring it up once in a blue moon: I consume literally zero gaming content outside of reading news and The Jimquisition, and whatever is randomly circulating on Twitter. I don't watch videos on YouTube or elsewhere, I don't listen to podcasts, et cetera.

In the realm of entertainment outside of the act of playing, I'm all about those politics and that history, breh.

I actually enjoy hearing your political beliefs, its just the other people in this thread arguing that's the issue.

I've been a fan since Greg first joined Beyond.

Spoiler

BEYOND!

You guys got me through so much during high school and college. I wish I could have made it out to one of the big shows, Ohio is so far away haha

As lame as this may be I still can't watch that last episode of Beyond without tearing up a bit.

Keep up the good work though, I love the content. I'll continue to support the patreon as long as you guys keep putting out content.

 

[Primethius]

I'll just reiterate what I said above, in another form: I hold zero shame being a straight, white male. That's how I was born. I've treated people with respect and dignity since I was a small child. That's how I was raised. I've done the very best that I can.

That said, it's strange that you'd ignore all of the work I HAVE done for social causes in propagating positive discussion in videos and podcasts with millions of cumulative views and listeners ranging on topics from Ferguson to the Muslim ban. Which, I hate to say it, is far more actionable and positive than a vast majority of folks have done, including you, I assume.

But cover your ears so your feelings don't get hurt. If I don't agree with you, I'm a bad, bad man!

Strange of you to start assuming stuff about other people just because you find the actions you've done meaningful.

I'm a lawyer. I've done pro bono work. I've helped indigent clients. I've done case work for the Innocence Project. I've helped on immigration cases. Most of the areas I've worked with are largely minority centric or impoverished neighborhoods. A large portion of my resume is centered around these jobs and areas.

Please, try again.

 

[Icolin]

Dude, don't even get me started. The podcast we originally recorded with Pete was one of the best shows we've ever done. And I don't even mean we as KF. Greg and I have been podcasting for nearly a decade, and it was one of the best all-time. And it's gone to history. It's a bummer.

Do you know that's the first time Greg and I ever lost a podcast in the history of Beyond or KF? True story.



Tomorrow's episode of PSILY is interesting. I'm intrigued to see what people think of it. I'll spoil it for you a bit: it's all about the people in the industry who have helped us and guided us and assisted us along the way. IGN (and ex-IGN) folks. PR people. Devs. Pubs. You name it.

I think it was fun to record, and I hope it's equally fun to listen to.

It's a damn shame that the episode with Pete is lost; if you're saying it's one of the best you've ever done, KF or otherwise, then it's gonna be something special, given that I've loved pretty everything you've done since I started listening to Beyond around the time I started college. Also, really excited for the episode tomorrow, that topic sounds really really intriguing!

Thanks for all the work you do, and have done for the past decade plus (especially your History of... series, spreading the word about games like Ni No Kuni and Spec Ops: The Line, and starting KF on your own), and good luck with Colin was Right, and any future endeavours that you and KF pursue.

 

[meanspartan]

I love Bill Maher, because he calls things as he sees them, and not in such a way so as to conform to what his "side" wants. Radical Islamic terrorism is a great example. He's spot on about it. That doesn't mean he isn't a hardcore liberal, because he is. It just means he's not orthodox. And I fucking LOVE that.

Of course, I disagree with him a ton, too, but that's why I watch him every week. My girlfriend even got me tickets to see him live in the coming months, which was shockingly expensive, extremely generous, and something I'm looking forward to.

Awesome! Very jealous.

Your total embrace of free speech is why I still keep listening to your political side even when I vehemenently disagree with you.

Right now, it's the left that is more regressive on free speech, and that bums me out because that was long our hill to die on (it used to be conservatives pushing flag burning laws and such)

Again, my main bone to pick was that Democrats didnt give their nomination to any regressive leftists, whereas the right seemingly sold its soul to Trump. That was my original point re: false equivalence.

Thanks for humoring me today, and good to see you round these parts.

Also, unrelated, I owe you an apology for exploding at one of your retweets on twitter equating the Manning commutation to Wikileaks influencing an election. Wasnt aiming it at you, and I still think its way off base, but I reacted childishly lol. So my bad for that.

Night y'all.

 

[meanspartan]

Strange of you to start assuming stuff about other people just because you find the actions you've done meaningful.

I'm a lawyer. I've done pro bono work. I've helped indigent clients. I've done case work for the Innocence Project. I've helped on immigration cases. Most of the areas I've worked with are largely minority centric or impoverished neighborhoods. A large portion of my resume is centered around these jobs and areas.

Please, try again.

Hey me too, lawyer here

Immi law has been fun this week lol

 

[Icyflamez96]

Strange of you to start assuming stuff about other people just because you find the actions you've done meaningful.

I'm a lawyer. I've done pro bono work. I've helped indigent clients. I've done case work for the Innocence Project. I've helped on immigration cases. Most of the areas I've worked with are largely minority centric or impoverished neighborhoods. A large portion of my resume is centered around these jobs and areas.

Please, try again.

To be fair, you're the one who started jumping to false conclusions about him in the first place.

 

[notaxation]

Honest question, no snark. In your quest to improve, don't you think it would be beneficial to see what your peers are doing? You make YouTube videos for a living, wouldn't watching what Giant Bomb, Easy Allies, etc are up to be a good idea?

I don't, personally, though I think you could certainly make an argument to the contrary. I actually think that Beyond/PSILY are so beloved, as an example, because Greg and I literally listen to zero video game podcasts and therefore just did what we thought a video game podcast should be, as opposed to what others were or are doing. I have literally no idea what other gaming podcasts do. I don't care. We just do what we do, and it's clearly resonating, and has been for years. PSILY is one of the biggest gaming podcasts on the planet.

Our video content is surely shaped by others by proxy, but again, I don't watch many videos at all, either. When I came up with the idea for PlayStation Conversation at IGN, which was then parlayed into the "conversation" video product generally, it spawned in my head as something we should do because I thought it would be useful and fun, not something we should do because others were. I kind of like that approach! It seemed obvious, but no one was doing anything like it.

Likewise, when I came up with the format for what would become The GameOverGreggy Show, I thought having four topics for each of us a week would be novel. I don't know if anyone else was doing that; it just seemed right. And it eventually parlayed to KFGC, as you know. Tim ran with the format to help our Patreons, and it's worked out fantastically. (I miss the ORIGINAL format of GOGS, which was that none of us knew the other peoples' topics... but I'm the only one in our group that feels that way. LOL. Still, it was Tim's brainchild to split the podcast up and all the rest, which was a fantastic notion.)

The Morning Show idea (well, C&GL) is something I came up with entirely from mimicking what I was seeing in political and (especially) sports shows. Without PTI, Morning Joe, or Mike & Mike, C&GL/KFMS wouldn't exist. And I'm shocked that it hasn't been copied more. I thought FOR SURE we'd be squashed out of that market by bigger fish in no time, but I guess folks aren't paying attention.

I guess what I'm saying is, apart from Let's Plays, nothing we do is inspired by the gaming industry, and I love that about us! Makes us unique.

 

[Primethius]

To be fair, you're the one who started jumping to false conclusions about him in the first place.

I didn't jump to any false conclusions about him. Sorry, the arguments he throws around are a dime a dozen. Just because you make a video doesn't automatically exempt you from criticism about said video. Not all acts are equal, not all views need to be given due merit. There's no reason to pretend that you don't hear the stuff he's saying every day from a bunch of other folk in similarly priviledged positions.

 

[Jerm411]

Colin....do you foresee 2017 GOTY being the bloodbath I'm forecasting in my head...?

We've already got Nioh, RE7, etc. and Horizon is right around the corner along with Breath of the Wild...Mass Effect as well. Then you figure in RDR2, Ni No Kuni II, Mario Odyssey, Persona 5...and then games that don't have a release date yet or will be announced at E3.

What an insane year for gaming TBH.

Also have you tried The Flame in the Flood yet? Was really happy to see you shout it on the Gamescast and was curious if you had played it yet.

 

[mr_chun]

Colin's super cool for coming back to this thread in engaging with both the happy folks and the pissy folks alike.

I sure as hell wouldn't have.

 

[Jerm411]

Colin's super cool for coming back to this thread in engaging with both the happy folks and the pissy folks alike.

I sure as hell wouldn't have.

Agreed, really cool to see...just hope posters on here keep it sane with him and engage in real back and forth instead of shitposting.

 

[Wesley-Sigma]

I just want to know how Nioh is going.

 

[Sauce Marlow]

I love Bill Maher, because he calls things as he sees them, and not in such a way so as to conform to what his "side" wants. Radical Islamic terrorism is a great example. He's spot on about it. That doesn't mean he isn't a hardcore liberal, because he is. It just means he's not orthodox. And I fucking LOVE that.

Of course, I disagree with him a ton, too, but that's why I watch him every week. My girlfriend even got me tickets to see him live in the coming months, which was shockingly expensive, extremely generous, and something I'm looking forward to.



Tim names KFGC topics, and I agree that we've been off on the way some of them have been titled. But we're listening and trying to improve. Like me, the rest of the guys will also make some mistakes.



I'll just reiterate what I said above, in another form: I hold zero shame being a straight, white male. That's how I was born. I've treated people with respect and dignity since I was a small child. That's how I was raised. I've done the very best that I can.

That said, it's strange that you'd ignore all of the work I HAVE done for social causes in propagating positive discussion in videos and podcasts with millions of cumulative views and listeners ranging on topics from Ferguson to the Muslim ban. Which, I hate to say it, is far more actionable and positive than a vast majority of folks have done, including you, I assume.

But cover your ears so your feelings don't get hurt. If I don't agree with you, I'm a bad, bad man!



Dude, don't even get me started. The podcast we originally recorded with Pete was one of the best shows we've ever done. And I don't even mean we as KF. Greg and I have been podcasting for nearly a decade, and it was one of the best all-time. And it's gone to history. It's a bummer.

Do you know that's the first time Greg and I ever lost a podcast in the history of Beyond or KF? True story.



Tomorrow's episode of PSILY is interesting. I'm intrigued to see what people think of it. I'll spoil it for you a bit: it's all about the people in the industry who have helped us and guided us and assisted us along the way. IGN (and ex-IGN) folks. PR people. Devs. Pubs. You name it.

I think it was fun to record, and I hope it's equally fun to listen to.



Find me a New York Republican -- Rockefeller-branded or otherwise -- who likes Hillary Clinton.

It might be baffling to you, but it certainly isn't baffling to us. ESPECIALLY if you come from Long Island (just look up Rick Lazio if you want more information).



You're welcome. I'm glad you enjoy the content.

I've heard a great deal about how great Giant Bomb is, but I never watch or listen. No time. A guilty secret, although I guess it's not that secret, as I bring it up once in a blue moon: I consume literally zero gaming content outside of reading news and The Jimquisition, and whatever is randomly circulating on Twitter. I don't watch videos on YouTube or elsewhere, I don't listen to podcasts, et cetera.

In the realm of entertainment outside of the act of playing, I'm all about those politics and that history, breh.



There are rational people all over the spectrum. Libertarians should be lauded for their social stances, at the very least. The only sides I think aren't rational are the extremes.

I fucking hate, hate, HATE the terms "snowflake" or "cuck" or whatever else is thrown around, but I'm loving that term "regressive." Because it's true.

I'm glad you guys do seem to be listening a lot better this year. My only complaint about Kinda Funny has that it's been just a little bit tone deaf at times when it comes to legitimate complaints from actual fans.

 

[Rival]

Agreed, really cool to see...just hope posters on here keep it sane with him and engage in real back and forth instead of shitposting.

Can't wait to see how that goes. They can't help themselves. Sometimes it feels like people are just hoping to get quoted.

 

[Icolin]

Agreed, really cool to see...just hope posters on here keep it sane with him and engage in real back and forth instead of shitposting.

This thread will be fine. Even the people who disagree with Colin, like Primethius, are being very civil.

What won't be fine, however, will be the next Colin Was Right thread. They've been bloodbaths so far, and that's probably not going to change anytime soon, given that the majority of the people who post in those threads aren't, and have never, been fans of Colin or KF, as opposed to this thread, where the majority of posters here are or have been fans of Colin and Greg, and by extension KF.

 

[Rival]

This thread will be fine. Even the people who disagree with Colin, like Primethius, are being very civil.

What won't be fine, however, will be the next Colin Was Right thread. They've been bloodbaths so far, and that's probably not going to change anytime soon, given that the majority of the people who post in those threads aren't, and have never, been fans of Colin or KF, as opposed to this thread, where the majority of posters here are or have been fans of Colin and Greg, and by extension KF.

I just read quite a few pages of that and no kidding. As a casual follower of their videos and listener of psily I had no idea some people find him so controversial.

 

[Jerm411]

This thread will be fine. Even the people who disagree with Colin, like Primethius, are being very civil.

What won't be fine, however, will be the next Colin Was Right thread. They've been bloodbaths so far, and that's probably not going to change anytime soon, given that the majority of the people who post in those threads aren't, and have never, been fans of Colin or KF, as opposed to this thread, where the majority of posters here are or have been fans of Colin and Greg, and by extension KF.

Yeah it went off the deep end quick...I just think Colin is always going to be one of those guys that people just can't wait to tear apart and go apeshit on no matter what he does.

 

[Dangansona]

What won't be fine, however, will be the next Colin Was Right thread. They've been bloodbaths so far, and that's probably not going to change anytime soon, given that the majority of the people who post in those threads aren't, and have never, been fans of Colin or KF, as opposed to this thread, where the majority of posters here are or have been fans of Colin and Greg, and by extension KF.

Is this Colin's GAF account?

 

[Mezoly]

Is this Colin's GAF account?

I understood that reference.

 

[GReeeeN]

I'm glad you guys do seem to be listening a lot better this year. My only complaint about Kinda Funny has that it's been just a little bit tone deaf at times when it comes to legitimate complaints from actual fans.

what are these complaints?

 

[messiaen]

I fundamentally disagree that the government should be in any permanent "social" businesses, like Medicare and Social Security. That said, they exist, people have paid into them for decades, and it would be unfair to just get rid of them at this point. Hell, we're slowly nearing Social Security's 100th anniversary.

My take on government's involvement is this: help people when they really need it, for a limited time, and get something in return for it, when possible. For instance, work-for-welfare. Go plant trees or clean up the local park or something. But nothing should be permanent. I actually have a pretty detailed "idea" of what I'd want ALL of this to look like, but this isn't the place for it.

As for those permanently fucked in some way, we of course should make sure they are taken care of (e.g. the disabled).

The fact that we have a sixth of our population on food stamps is embarrassing. People flout that number like it's something to be proud of. I've personally seen people using food stamps at Safeway as they're typing away on their iPhone 7. There's nothing wrong with that picture?

We have to fix this entire social safetynet system, ASAP. Medicare's age should be raised, Social Security's age should be raised and be means-tested, et al.

Why is it that you disagree with social services? I understand if you don't want to get into the trick of it, but from my life's experience as being pretty fucking poor, food stamps, public schools and the like helped quality of life to a great degree.

I understand the sentiment of the iPhone 7 example, we certainly didn't have it like that when I was growing up--I only had a 2600 until 1999, when I got a Gameboy Color--but I would argue that it's on the onus of the individual to not spend their money ill-responsibility and we've become a culture of conspicuous consumption, etc. etc. However, on the flipside I don't think it's perfectly right to judge there as the iPhone could be being used as a medical assistance device or something of the sort/Uber driver/whatever. I have a friend who has some sort of ill-regular heartbeat condition where if he sits/remains inactive for too long his heartrate begins to slow and he could die--the iPhone/iWatch combo monitors that and notifies him when his heartrate has slowed enough to tell him, to get up; but again I do understand the sentiment of what you're saying. He's the only person I've met with any kind of wearable technology.

Social Security is hurting being of the baby boomers, is it not? I would think by the time it's our turn to receive benefits the program won't be bleeding at the seams like it is now. I've done very little research into this though, so I could be totally wrong.

I love Bill Maher, because he calls things as he sees them, and not in such a way so as to conform to what his "side" wants. Radical Islamic terrorism is a great example. He's spot on about it. That doesn't mean he isn't a hardcore liberal, because he is. It just means he's not orthodox. And I fucking LOVE that.

Of course, I disagree with him a ton, too, but that's why I watch him every week. My girlfriend even got me tickets to see him live in the coming months, which was shockingly expensive, extremely generous, and something I'm looking forward to.

Bill puts on a great show. I've seen him back home and here in LA, he's great. Hope you guys have a good time!

Just listening to this week's GameoverGreggy show, if I could suggest some reading for you guys, Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death. What makes me suggest that is your conversation about Twitter, Facebook and the like.

Neil more or less talks about why public discourse has become unhinged in the past 100 or so years. Since the telegram, according to him, but more importantly because of television and the medium of the discussion in television is intrinsically not rational because of the way people consume media with television--the stimulus no longer being in the words read, but the heads talking. He backs this up by looking at past Presidential debates and the public discourse surrounding those debates, the language being used was extremely complex and I would doubt 80% of people in this country would be able to follow along. Literacy is another big staple in his argument, I'm probably doing a disservice to it as I've had a long day. But please do read it if you find the time! I personally think it's a more important book than either 1984 or Brave New World, which he talks about as well.

 

[Wedzi]

I don't, personally, though I think you could certainly make an argument to the contrary. I actually think that Beyond/PSILY are so beloved, as an example, because Greg and I literally listen to zero video game podcasts and therefore just did what we thought a video game podcast should be, as opposed to what others were or are doing. I have literally no idea what other gaming podcasts do. I don't care. We just do what we do, and it's clearly resonating, and has been for years. PSILY is one of the biggest gaming podcasts on the planet.

Our video content is surely shaped by others by proxy, but again, I don't watch many videos at all, either. When I came up with the idea for PlayStation Conversation at IGN, which was then parlayed into the "conversation" video product generally, it spawned in my head as something we should do because I thought it would be useful and fun, not something we should do because others were. I kind of like that approach! It seemed obvious, but no one was doing anything like it.

Likewise, when I came up with the format for what would become The GameOverGreggy Show, I thought having four topics for each of us a week would be novel. I don't know if anyone else was doing that; it just seemed right. And it eventually parlayed to KFGC, as you know. Tim ran with the format to help our Patreons, and it's worked out fantastically. (I miss the ORIGINAL format of GOGS, which was that none of us knew the other peoples' topics... but I'm the only one in our group that feels that way. LOL. Still, it was Tim's brainchild to split the podcast up and all the rest, which was a fantastic notion.)

The Morning Show idea (well, C&GL) is something I came up with entirely from mimicking what I was seeing in political and (especially) sports shows. Without PTI, Morning Joe, or Mike & Mike, C&GL/KFMS wouldn't exist. And I'm shocked that it hasn't been copied more. I thought FOR SURE we'd be squashed out of that market by bigger fish in no time, but I guess folks aren't paying attention.

I guess what I'm saying is, apart from Let's Plays, nothing we do is inspired by the gaming industry, and I love that about us! Makes us unique.

It would be super cool if you guys could do a graphic on the side of C&GL like PTI or Sportcenter has telling you what stories you guys would cover next.

 

[Sauce Marlow]

what are these complaints?

There's a bunch, but things like Colin & Greg seemingly going through the motions on the Gamescast, calling things reviews when sometimes none of the guys had played more than a handful of hours and the excessively long ad reads amongst other things.

They look like they're addressing the review thing and the ad-reads have already been more succinct so far this year.

 

[MHWilliams]

I have no clue what's all going on in here.

This thread is for "PS, I Love You- Greg Miller's new PlayStation Podcast". Not politics. One of the podcast creators is open to answering questions on the matter, but generally, it's good to stay on topic.

A certain amount of thread drift is fine and normal. If the podcast has an episode on political topics, it's also fine to bring that up, like the other thread on Colin Was Right. But consistent talk off-topic isn't always the greatest look. People have complained and that's why I'm here.

If you want to talk to Colin about his politics, the Colin Was Right thread or perhaps the Community thread are better places, but beyond that, it's better to start something in Off-Topic.

Otherwise, this thread is about PS, I Love You. This has been your warning. Be good people.

 

[Sauce Marlow]

Politics and Colin go hand in hand and come up on the podcast all the time and he always integrates them into his gaming content (see his most recent CWR). Not letting people discuss that kind of thing with Colin here is lame.

 

[Icolin]

Is this Colin's GAF account?

Well played, sir.

 

[MHWilliams]

Politics and Colin go hand in hand and come up on the podcast all the time and he always integrates them into his gaming content (see his most recent CWR). Not letting people discuss that kind of thing with Colin here is lame.

Like I said, if it comes up in the podcast, by all means.

But you are not the only one in the thread and others have expressed that they would prefer a more on-topic thread, privately and in the thread itself.

I didn't say you could never speak with him on these topics on GAF. The current Colin Was Right thread or a new thread in Off-Topic would be a better fit for that discussion though.

 

[Lashley]

What time is PS I Love You out today? 6PM GMT?

 

[SamNW]

Like I said, if it comes up in the podcast, by all means.

But you are not the only one in the thread and others have expressed that they would prefer a more on-topic thread, privately and in the thread itself.

I didn't say you could never speak with him on these topics on GAF. The current Colin Was Right thread or a new thread in Off-Topic would be a better fit for that discussion though.

If the rules say that this thread needs to stick to a narrow topic, I suppose I'll follow them, but:

On the other hand, there are quite a few people (myself included) who very much think that this thread is a fine place for any and all discussion of Greg, Colin, and PS I Love You. That's what it has become organically. This thread doesn't get that much traffic anyway, even when a new episode comes out. So, I sort of think it's weird to me to say that the thread should "stay on-topic" instead of discussing Colin—one of the hosts of the show—which is both a) plausibly on-topic and b) not preventing discussion of the show.

 

[Icolin]

What time is PS I Love You out today? 6PM GMT?

9:00 AM Pacific (5PM GMT).