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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love

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CygnusXS

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ErasureAcer said:
Hayes on MSNBC is an ass. Got owned by Sarandon. You're working real hard Chris, while you watch baseball as ur on air. Dude is a chump. Someone tell me Anderson is crushing him in ratings.
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I haven't seen the segment yet but I'm confident that Hayes did not and could not possibly get beaten by Sarandon in anything but acting and maybe sports. I don't know how fit Hayes is.
 
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whyamihere

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kirblar said:
People died in Virginia on 9/11. There was a line of people at the pay phones at my school full of kids trying to make sure their parents were ok. (I was one of them.)

He is deservedly going to get shit for that comment and the fact that he didn't know better than to not make it is a ridiculously huge red flag.
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It's not really a red flag. Gaffes happen. I get it.

This is why good people don't want to be politicians.

Holmes said:
Kaine also endorsed Northam. It's going to be Northam. Which is fine. He has the structural and organizational advantage and the political experience not to say stupid stuff. I'd rather go with safe and competent in the Trumpmera than risk giving Republicans a chance and, god forbid, a win.
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I'm kind of over this line of thinking. It was the defense for Hillary. And yes, while she won Virginia, Gillespie is going to be a much stronger candidate than Trump in the state. Northram is fine, but he's fucking wood. Safe seems like a bad play.
 
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kirblar

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whyamihere said:
It's not really a red flag. Gaffes happen. I get it.

This is why good people don't want to be politicians.
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Comparing anything to 9/11 that doesn't involve terrorists killing a fuck-ton of people is a very, very bad idea. Quadruply so if you're a politician.

This isn't about being a "good person", it's about common sense.
 
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whyamihere

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kirblar said:
Comparing anything to 9/11 that doesn't involve terrorists killing a fuck-ton of people is a very, very bad idea. Quadruply so if you're a politician.

This isn't about being a "good person", it's about common sense.
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Again, this feels like a mountain out of a molehill. Gaffes happen (to literally every politician), he apologized, oh well.

I'm not just saying that because he's a better candidate than Northram. He is. But this is also a who-gives-a-shit thing for me. We make such a big deal about stuff that might not even resonate.
 
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GAF A60-Rim A

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Not sure if already posted, but this is an AMAZING encapsulation from TWP today.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...487213952337&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.7baecae84cec
 
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kirblar

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whyamihere said:
Again, this feels like a mountain out of a molehill. Gaffes happen (to literally every politician), he apologized, oh well.

I'm not just saying that because he's a better candidate than Northram. He is. But this is also a who-gives-a-shit thing for me. We make such a big deal about stuff that might not even resonate.
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Would you be saying the same thing about a NY politician saying this?
 
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whyamihere

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kirblar said:
Would you be saying the same thing about a NY politician saying this?
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Yes. I'd be saying it about anyone.

Sometimes, and this includes political reporters and people on this board, put way too much stock into individual gaffes that mostly fail to break through or over estimate their significance.
 
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ErasureAcer

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Shake Appeal said:
Is this satire? Sarandon and Fox were embarrassingly bad, and I say that as a profound Clinton skeptic. It was awkward to watch.
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Hardly. They made their case well. Hayes was just awed by the celebrity and didnt want to talk issues. That or he's a complete ass.

Dude isnt much of a journalist.
 
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Mobius and pet octopus

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Dany said:
I mute the TV whenever he or the blonde lady talks. So agonizing to hear their arguments.
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I think it's important to understand their position on a subject. It's not difficult to get an idea of when they're actually putting forth their own opinion or just spewing the talking points sheet they got that morning.

I think people need to break out of their bubbles and even consider arguments they ultimately disagree with and sometimes even find offensive.

Conway though, you can just ignore her. Unless you want the lulz, she is extremely unreliable.
 
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metalslimer

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Mobius and pet octopus said:
I think it's important to understand their position on a subject. It's not difficult to get an idea of when they're actually putting forth their own opinion or just spewing the talking points sheet they got that morning.

I think people need to break out of their bubbles and even consider arguments they ultimately disagree with and sometimes even find offensive.

Conway though, you can just ignore her. Unless you want the lulz, she is extremely unreliable.
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Er no. Lord and Mcnewhatever literally just spout BS for almost the entire time they are on. You are not living in a bubble because they just give the pro republican line which you can get anywehre

whoa whoa whoa you're not gonna shit on Hayes up in here, dude is a saint.
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Eh... he's not the best interviewer.
 
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AntraxSuicide

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Mobius and pet octopus said:
I think it's important to understand their position on a subject. It's not difficult to get an idea of when they're actually putting forth their own opinion or just spewing the talking points sheet they got that morning.

I think people need to break out of their bubbles and even consider arguments they ultimately disagree with and sometimes even find offensive.

Conway though, you can just ignore her. Unless you want the lulz, she is extremely unreliable.
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Eh, Nazis literally rely on you saying this though. It's how ideas live and spread; they're repeated. If you remove the platform, then you halt the spread. The internet alone massively helped these people out, and the wrong response is to then give them coverage in the places they were wanting it for decades but couldn't get it.

For this specific example, Milo does not give a single shit what Maher says, at all (and let's be honest, they'll bond over "PC run amok!" shit). Milo is going to use his time just like Tim Kaine did in the VP debate; he'll just ignore the person sitting there and use the time on air to spout his shit.

I'm really starting to think we actually lost WW2. Lord knows we didn't defeat the Nazis.
 
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IggyChooChoo

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metalslimer said:
Er no. Lord and Mcnewhatever literally just spout BS for almost the entire time they are on. You are not living in a bubble because they just give the pro republican line which you can get anywehre



Eh... he's not the best interviewer.
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I remember liking Chris Hayes's weekly Saturday morning show a lot more than his nightly shows.
 
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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Morts said:
Why? What is the downside to investigating?
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Republicans care about party above country. They're making calculation, probably correctly, that if they dig and find out more shit, it'll cause pain for other Republicans and damage their agenda.
 
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kirblar

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whyamihere said:
Yes. I'd be saying it about anyone.

Sometimes, and this includes political reporters and people on this board, put way too much stock into individual gaffes that mostly fail to break through or over estimate their significance.
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I really don't understand that. Minor stuff is fine, but I don't view this as minor.

I also don't view Perello as a good canddiate- I see him as someone who got voted in on a wave, then immediately voted out on a wave, and who's talk of "conviction politics" is just that- talk. He's got very little experience running for office and in elected office, and his flippant 9/11 remark underlines that.
 
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neurosisxeno

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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
neurosisxeno said:
...what agenda? They literally have no proposed legislation other than like, regressive religious freedom laws and "cutting taxes". They have pretty much given up on repealing Obamacare, and haven't bothered with much of Trump's proposed agenda.
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They're doing minor shit. They don't want blowback in any form.
 
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Carpe Libertatem

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kirblar said:
I really don't understand that. Minor stuff is fine, but I don't view this as minor.

I also don't view Perello as a good canddiate- I see him as someone who got voted in on a wave, then immediately voted out on a wave, and who's talk of "conviction politics" is just that- talk. He's got very little experience running for office and in elected office, and his flippant 9/11 remark underlines that.
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Periello lost by 3.9% in 2010 in his R+5 district, while Glenn Nye (also Democratic freshman in R+5 district) lost by 11%

Not sure I'd want to reduce that to just being voted out on a wave
 
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Bonen no Max'd

Banned
kirblar said:
I really don't understand that. Minor stuff is fine, but I don't view this as minor.

I also don't view Perello as a good canddiate- I see him as someone who got voted in on a wave, then immediately voted out on a wave, and who's talk of "conviction politics" is just that- talk. He's got very little experience running for office and in elected office, and his flippant 9/11 remark underlines that.
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Hillary said that Nancy Reagan was a "very effective" advocate wrt the AIDS epidemic in the 80's and that killed way more people than 9/11.

It was a dumb gaffe but he apologized and I think people will get over it.
 
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whyamihere

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Carpe Libertatem said:
Periello lost by 3.9% in 2010 in his R+5 district, while Glenn Nye (also Democratic freshman in R+5 district) lost by 11%

Not sure I'd want to reduce that to just being voted out on a wave
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This.

Bonen no Max'd said:
Hillary said that Nancy Reagan was a "very effective" advocate wrt the AIDS epidemic in the 80's and that killed way more people than 9/11.

It was a dumb gaffe but he apologized and I think people will get over it.
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And this.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Carter Page (main Putin-Trump connection) is writing letters like he's worried about getting assassinated by Putin or Trump.

It then makes the grandiose claim that “the actions by the Clinton regime and their associates may be among the most extreme examples of human rights violations observed during any election in U.S. history since Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was similarly targeted for his anti-war views in the 1960’s.”

Page repeatedly describes as “outrageous” the news coverage claiming that he has significant connections to Russian officials, and what he says was the Clinton campaign’s hidden hand behind it.

The Clinton campaign, says Page, engaged in “human rights violations,” “illegal activities,” “unlawful deceptions,” “Obstruction of Justice – the charge upon which President Nixon was impeached,” spreading “False Evidence,” and “an obviously illegal attempt to silence me on an important issue of national and international consequence in violation of my Constitutional rights.”

Page also states that he was targeted by the Clinton campaign because he is Catholic, a military veteran and a man.
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This is a man under some tremendous stress.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/15...izarre-letter-to-doj-blaming-hillary-clinton/
 
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kirblar

Member
Bonen no Max'd said:
Hillary said that Nancy Reagan was a "very effective" advocate wrt the AIDS epidemic in the 80's and that killed way more people than 9/11.

It was a dumb gaffe but he apologized and I think people will get over it.
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There are gaffes that are due to unintentional screw ups. That's one - it was a completely nonsensical yet sincerely intended comment and she clearly was thinking of Barbara Bush. Those I can forgive.

If you are an adult running for public office and you don't know not to make a 9/11 analogy, I question what the fuck you are doing running.
 
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whyamihere

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kirblar said:
There are gaffes that are due to unintentional screw ups. That's one - it was a completely nonsensical yet sincerely intended comment and she clearly was thinking of Barbara Bush. Those I can forgive.

If you are an adult running for public office and you don't know not to make a 9/11 analogy, I question what the fuck you are doing running.
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This sounds like, I can forgive the gaffes of candidates I'm voting for, but I cannot forgive similar gaffes of candidates who I don't support.
 
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thepotatoman

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Reddit is turning it's homepage into r/all with the exception of nfsw and "A handful of subreddits that users consistently filter out of their r/all page"

That's a convenient way of saying they don't want r/the_donald on the homepage.

Nice that /r/FucktheAltRight, /r/Impeach_Trump, and /r/LateStageCapitalism are still there.
 
smokeymicpot

smokeymicpot

Beat EviLore at pool.
thepotatoman said:
Reddit is turning it's homepage into r/all with the exception of nfsw and "A handful of subreddits that users consistently filter out of their r/all page"

That's a convenient way of saying they don't want r/the_donald on the homepage.
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Really don't understand how people use r/all. Just subscribe to subreddits you like and stuff that interests you.
 
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kirblar

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whyamihere said:
This sounds like, I can forgive the gaffes of candidates I'm voting for, but I cannot forgive similar gaffes of candidates who I don't support.
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It's not. It's about intent and why you're making a gaffe. I can forgive honest screwups made in error. (Pretty sure there was a GOP one this cycle I had to pour cold water on.) I can't forgive ones that betray information about you.

This one hits on two fronts. One is the "where the F is your basic level of decorum on this subject." And this is getting amplified by the "all politics is local" thing, because having grown up in NOVA and experienced 9/11 through that lens, seeing someone who wants to run for VA office making that comment really rubs me the wrong way. And so the boring ex-military default option seems pretty ok to me.

I didn't have much of an opinion on the race before this and was going to look into it later. This flipped me off of him immediately.
 
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FyreWulff

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Guys.

If Trump were impeached and everyone resigned on down to Ryan, making him President..

.. he'd be the third consecutive Republican president to serve their initial term as president after losing the popular vote as a candidate.
 
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whyamihere

Banned
kirblar said:
It's not. It's about intent and why you're making a gaffe. I can forgive honest screwups made in error. (Pretty sure there was a GOP one this cycle I had to pour cold water on.) I can't forgive ones that betray information about you.

This one hits on two fronts. One is the "where the F is your basic level of decorum on this subject." And this is getting amplified by the "all politics is local" thing, because having grown up in NOVA and experienced 9/11 through that lens, seeing someone who wants to run for VA office making that comment really rubs me the wrong way. And so the boring ex-military default option seems pretty ok to me.

I didn't have much of an opinion on the race before this and was going to look into it later. This flipped me off of him immediately.
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I dunno man. This feels like an overreaction to something that's been apologized for.
 
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