onemanasylum
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Phil Spencer thinks this is Xbox's best generation so far
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When people stop spamming "But what is he supposed to say".
The campaign wasn't great. But that's not what people play for years on. It's a 10 hour trip and then you go to multiplayer - which is pretty great.
It's amazing to me how much you despise this man.
So, why Scorpio?
You must REALLY hate him if that what your take is on those tweets.
Quintin DM
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I mean he can say whatever he wants, but ya he's wrong. 360 was without a doubt the best.
Panther2103
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It's been an alright generation for them, but in general it's just a console with too many multiplatform games and not enough exclusives for my taste, I just don't see the point in owning one other than for friends who also happen to have one.
because it'll cost less than a decent graphics card and give good enough performance to beat the PS4 Pro. So, then they can say they have the best console graphics and also crossplay for those that want it.
Pretty sure Spencer has said because some people like the simplicity that consoles offer compared to PC.
This feels like a natural direction for them to go and it would be a competitive differentiator that Nintendo and Sony would never touch.
gollumsluvslave
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Depends what metric he's using I guess?
Hardware Sales? I think until recently Xbox One was tracking ahead of 360, but not sure now
Hardware Quality? Without RROD thats a given
Software and game library? Thats a tough one because due to Backwards Compatibility the Xbone includes a fair chunk of the 360 library.
But just talking 360 game library vs Xbone game library only then it's not even close - 360 was king (at least until Kinect came out and messed everything up)
Depends what happens next 2 years I guess, maybe after all is said and done, Xbone will be better than 360, might be close overall!
Hardware Sales? I think until recently Xbox One was tracking ahead of 360, but not sure now
Hardware Quality? Without RROD thats a given
Software and game library? Thats a tough one because due to Backwards Compatibility the Xbone includes a fair chunk of the 360 library.
But just talking 360 game library vs Xbone game library only then it's not even close - 360 was king (at least until Kinect came out and messed everything up)
Depends what happens next 2 years I guess, maybe after all is said and done, Xbone will be better than 360, might be close overall!
sounds like you found Phil's loophole.
I hope you're near a fainting couch because... some people don't want a PC
I do GET Salty Hippo though,
Phillip doesn't lie exactly, but its always this push and pull that creates resentment, yay MCC, boo MCC bugs, yay Scalebound, boo cancelled. Its these ups and downs of great expectations and crap drawbacks. I don't necessarily pin everything on one guy because of how MS is structured (just like its stupid to blame Mattrick for everything) but when you've got a figurehead notorious for being a people pleaser but has a very rocky track record, the skepticism and disdain does grow.
Sony went through a lot during 2006-2009, if Kaz constantly tweeted about his love for diversity and experimentation and cult classics and saying all the right things but only released Gran Turismo and Killzone every year with the rare bit of games like Infamous whilst morons were still spouting E3 2006 memes you'd be getting a similar reaction
Again its a push and pull of so many different factors, does he just shut up and say things how it is? How much is he responsible for and what's just bad luck? Many things have been going right and their business is healthy (I know shock horror) but the PR blunders have hurt, and they cant afford anymore. They couldn't afford anymore in 2013. Its why people like Salty Hippo can't stand hearing all the right stuff without it being really delivered on.
I took it more as a "we'll do our own thing, they'll do theirs" type of response, and gamings bigger than just console war more than just downplaying the competition between the 2, which he's doing too, but that's always been his thing. I think it's a much better response than what spawned this thread at least, though not really saying much.
Edit: Oh, seems Salty and Phil have a history.
When I read this post this came to mind...
Anywho, Phil was stating that gaming is bigger than two consoles. Which is true. Seeing as mobile is the biggest form of gaming.
This is kind of a dramatic post. Gears 4 was never going to hit the same level as the original trilogy, but it's still a great game. Halo Wars 2 is also a really fun RTS, that fans of the first have been asking for.
Halo 4 and 5 are terrible? That's just not true. 5 was a step up from 4, and I'm optimistic about 6.
What I do agree with you about though is they absolutely need to come out swinging this year. That's been true for 4 years now, however. Horizon is the latest example of the value of new AAA properties.
Welfare
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The only info we have on Xbox One sales is Superdata but I don't really hold them to high standard of estimating, and 26M sales sounds low for the end of 2016 when it was only at 19M in 2015. At best the Xbox One is comparable to Xbox 360.
Phil probably means profitability. Xbox 360 had a huge $1.6B hole thanks to RROD and Xbox One has had nothing like that while also having much higher Xbox Live numbers, increased digital presence, and multiple avenues of revenue within first party titles such as microtransactions.
Xbox division is probably at its most profitable compared to 360 and OG Xbox.
Even though Jason was talking about games, Phil, Xbox, and Microsoft care more about the profit generated from their portfolio, and it does seem like they are in a good place in that regard.
Chuck Norris
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Halo is far from dead. But it's lost the crown as number one system seller and has dropped back in the pack now and trailing Naughty Dog
This made me laugh.That would have been an amazing answer.
Last generation you could have actually debated 360 had variety and exclusives that set it apart from every console. Earlier on in the generation they had: Mass Effect, Bioshock, Halo 3, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, and a whole lot more. Than when you add in exclusive DLC (GTA IV), better running multiplats, a unified online network, and indies like Braid - you had a console actually worth it's weight in gold.
Salty Hippo
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Sorry, but that's dodgy as FUCK. He's not just a regular gamer, he's the head of the division and his job is to compete. Spinning Xbox's shortcomings with GAMING IS BIGGER THAN THAT JUST ENJOY GAMING GUYS is fucking ridiculous.
This is the tweet:
As a leader, you SHOULD see great games as weapons (figurative, obviously) against the other platform. You SHOULD compete and try to beat the competition. Instead he's shaking off the disparity between PS4 and XB1 as something that isn't important at all. Guy is a complete fucking phony.
Very sensible post. As someone who cares about the Xbox brand myself (otherwise I wouldn't be nearly as critical), it's good to see that some Xbox fans do get it.
B1gg_Randall
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This
You...do know MS doesnt own Steam, right? They get jackshit if a game gets sold there which is why they're trying to push W10 store.
Sony doesnt treat Steam as competition (see SFV etc releasing day as Steam) as much Phil and co: see staggered Steam releases in favor of pushing W10 store (RoTR or walling COD Infinite from playing with Steam players)
The all too common belief that if a PS4 game comes on Steam = money for MS, is rather baffling.
Kacho
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I get that it sounds over the top but I assure you it comes straight from the heart. People will disagree with me on Halo and I'm fine with that. You guys think they're excellent. More power to you all. Please continue to enjoy it. If Halo 6 delivers I'll be the first to shoot Roman candles out of my bedroom window to celebrate. I'll still think Halo 4 and 5 were trash (5 much less so on multi side).
The games situation Xbox is facing as a whole can't be stressed enough though. As much as I'd like to lean back and have Statham whisper Scorpio in my ear over and over and assume everything will be fine I just can't. Phil has alluded to E3 being massive for exclusives so they have that going for them but in tired of his lip service at this point. Time to make a big stamp on this industry.
demogorgon
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IDK if it's been the best, but it has been dam good for me personally.
XBL is still the premiere online service and better then it was on the 360
Halo 5 has the best halo MP to date
Gears 4 has the best MP and horde to date and an amazing campaign as well
Sunset overdrive was my GOTY for 2014
Replaying all the halo's in the MCC was a ton of fun
Personally not a fan of racing or fighting games but forza and horizon are the premiere racers currently, and KI has nothing but positive feedback
Quantum Break was the best remedy game since the original max payne (yes i liked it better then Alan wake)
Gigantic is my favorite Moba even though it's in beta still and needs some tweaks
Dead rising 3 was a great game (DR4 wasn't very good though)
Titanfall 1 was an amazing MP game. 2nd only to halo 5 this gen
and we are only 3 years in
with upcoming games like crackdown 3 and sea of thieves, both look to be awesome I'd say the XB1 is having a pretty good gen so far. I own both a PS4 and XB1 and i've spent probably 300 times more hours playing XB1 exclusives then I have playing PS4 exclusives. I played about 2 hours of bloodborne and didn't like it, 6 hours beating the order, probably about 20 hours total in TLOUR between SP and MP, and that's it so far really. But i'm sure i'll be spending 30-50 hours in horizon starting next week. On XB1 i spent well over 300 hours in titanfall 1 and Halo 5, over 100 in gears 4, and about 50 in sunset overdrive and DR3.
Right now for stuff i want i have horizon pre-ordered, mass effect pre ordered and that should keep me busy for a while until holiday when hopefully SoT and Crackdown are released.
XBL is still the premiere online service and better then it was on the 360
Halo 5 has the best halo MP to date
Gears 4 has the best MP and horde to date and an amazing campaign as well
Sunset overdrive was my GOTY for 2014
Replaying all the halo's in the MCC was a ton of fun
Personally not a fan of racing or fighting games but forza and horizon are the premiere racers currently, and KI has nothing but positive feedback
Quantum Break was the best remedy game since the original max payne (yes i liked it better then Alan wake)
Gigantic is my favorite Moba even though it's in beta still and needs some tweaks
Dead rising 3 was a great game (DR4 wasn't very good though)
Titanfall 1 was an amazing MP game. 2nd only to halo 5 this gen
and we are only 3 years in
with upcoming games like crackdown 3 and sea of thieves, both look to be awesome I'd say the XB1 is having a pretty good gen so far. I own both a PS4 and XB1 and i've spent probably 300 times more hours playing XB1 exclusives then I have playing PS4 exclusives. I played about 2 hours of bloodborne and didn't like it, 6 hours beating the order, probably about 20 hours total in TLOUR between SP and MP, and that's it so far really. But i'm sure i'll be spending 30-50 hours in horizon starting next week. On XB1 i spent well over 300 hours in titanfall 1 and Halo 5, over 100 in gears 4, and about 50 in sunset overdrive and DR3.
Right now for stuff i want i have horizon pre-ordered, mass effect pre ordered and that should keep me busy for a while until holiday when hopefully SoT and Crackdown are released.
Says the top poster in this thread with a distance second top poster.
GHG
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What I find funny out of all of this is that this is a guy who recently said he is "against console wars", the "divisions" that it causes and that he finds it "distasteful".
But yet, look at the tweet he responded to which has resulted in this thread. He needs to make up his mind.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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"A complete fucking phony?" Jesus.. Some of you are dramatic.
Xbox is essentially the new Nintendo.
Xbox is essentially the new Nintendo.
They stopped releasing numbers around the time the 360 hit it's stride and shot upward in sales in it's life cycle. might be coincidence.
Tyraniboah
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Man...they are still recovering from Mattrick's "vision". From the 2010 Kinect onwards, the Xbox brand hasn't been that great. They focused on the wrong features and the wrong games, overplayed their best franchises, and completely bungled their first party studios. The XBO is STILL struggling to free itself from its original reveal. Years later and I still run in to casuals that think it doesn't play used games.
I say all of this as somebody that genuinely prefers the Xbox and the features it has and their exclusives (which I thought were better than Sony's from 2013-2016). I love the TV pass through, EA Access, backwards compatibility, play anywhere, and the support for many windows 10 applications (with stuff like Kodi on the way...hopefully not gimped), as well as Gears, Halo, Forza, Recore, Sunset, and Quantum Break. I hope that the Scorpio does indeed succeed where Valve failed. Give the Xbox it's own niche. I'd also look hard into bringing more mods to the platform and continuing to allow outside assets. Make more windows applications available and shore up the first party titles. Phil is in Japan this week, right? Ask some Japanese devs about games they can't find a publisher for as well as third party titles that aren't appearing on the Xbox and what they can do to change that. Give the first party devs a chance to make something new. Let 343 or the Coalition make something else in between Halo/Gears entries if they want. Seek out smaller studios that want a shot at making something big. Finally, stop canceling shit.
I know a lot of this is wishful thinking and that the cost plays a pretty big role, but these are just some common sense ideas that I think would greatly improve the brand and the platform
I say all of this as somebody that genuinely prefers the Xbox and the features it has and their exclusives (which I thought were better than Sony's from 2013-2016). I love the TV pass through, EA Access, backwards compatibility, play anywhere, and the support for many windows 10 applications (with stuff like Kodi on the way...hopefully not gimped), as well as Gears, Halo, Forza, Recore, Sunset, and Quantum Break. I hope that the Scorpio does indeed succeed where Valve failed. Give the Xbox it's own niche. I'd also look hard into bringing more mods to the platform and continuing to allow outside assets. Make more windows applications available and shore up the first party titles. Phil is in Japan this week, right? Ask some Japanese devs about games they can't find a publisher for as well as third party titles that aren't appearing on the Xbox and what they can do to change that. Give the first party devs a chance to make something new. Let 343 or the Coalition make something else in between Halo/Gears entries if they want. Seek out smaller studios that want a shot at making something big. Finally, stop canceling shit.
I know a lot of this is wishful thinking and that the cost plays a pretty big role, but these are just some common sense ideas that I think would greatly improve the brand and the platform
Thebeardofknowledge
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Spender should have posted
"Scorpio"
"Scorpio"
anothertech
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Even with all those factors considered, "Xbox is having a good gen, our best yet" is not a true statement. That's why the turmoil in here.
3 years into both consoles, Xb1 is on 26 Million and 360 was on 28 million.
Only this time no RROD and a shit ton of retail Digital game sales revenue which they didn't have on 360.
onemanasylum
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Me being active in discussion, is relevant to this being blown out of proportion how?
Why he should talk of profit with a gamer where he argued about a totally different matter?
I have this feeling their corporate overlords gave them much fewer resources to work with. Which may be why they canceled games which looked like they would over run, forced out games before they were ready, and leaned so hard on establish franchises. It works into the narrative I was spinning since this Gen started that they lost some fights internally and are on a bubble. So they need cheap sure fire successes to keep going and being that risk averse and poorly resourced will mean they will fall further and further behind.
If Scorpio doesn't hit big, they might in fact shrink into a MS PC publisher.
SpartanN92
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I disagree.
Multiplayer comes and goes and 9/10 people play the most recent version of the game whether or not it is their favorite.
Campaigns (especially Halo) are enjoyable years and years later.
Halo 5's campaign was such a colossal disappointment. I have played every Halo campaign countless times but I have not been able to stomach more than a single playthrue of Halo 5.
The Multiplayer is enjoyable but suffers greatly from bad maps.
When H3 came out it was the only game in town. Then CoD4 dropped. For a few years they were both kings. But these days FPS are a dime a dozen. Things change.
Salty Hippo
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The shit he says is hardly ever genuine, that's what makes him a phony. He's not happy that Horizon is reviewing so well, despite saying he is. Or do you think he likes putting out fires on Twitter due to the increasingly bad perception Xbox is getting? Particularly in the past couple of months where PS4 had like 5 or 6 high quality exclusives. It's making XB1 look so bad that even people like Jason Schreier are calling Microsoft out.
And Spencer's answer to Xbox players is "CELEBRATE IT!".
H5 IS the most recent version of the game. So I'm not sure what your point is with regard to that.
H5 has some decent maps. H4 and Reach did not.
You have to be kidding me with the campaign thing. Most play it once and done. Ask CoD or Battlefield people how many times they've played through those campaigns.
I played H3 every night from 2007-2010. So, people do play MP for awhile if it's good.
OttoSporteman
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Copying my opinion from the MS studios thread:
It all comes down to the criteria.
Xbox and Xbox 360 were being sold at a loss.
Xbox 360 was the dominant platform for a long time but ended up losing worldwide to Ps3 anyway, due to PlayStation brand being stronger everywhere else but US.
If Phil is using revenue, units and margin as KPI's perhaps he is right? Xbox One was not sold at a loss since launch, has been selling more units than 360 at same point in lifecycles for several straight months and revenue increase from Dlc and Xbox Live may matter to the math. Remember that all R&D costs of Xbox Live were probably recouped by now but still a hassle during 360 years.
If he's speaking first party output or even brand awareness, than he is delusional.
But I think he's using my first option.
It all comes down to the criteria.
Xbox and Xbox 360 were being sold at a loss.
Xbox 360 was the dominant platform for a long time but ended up losing worldwide to Ps3 anyway, due to PlayStation brand being stronger everywhere else but US.
If Phil is using revenue, units and margin as KPI's perhaps he is right? Xbox One was not sold at a loss since launch, has been selling more units than 360 at same point in lifecycles for several straight months and revenue increase from Dlc and Xbox Live may matter to the math. Remember that all R&D costs of Xbox Live were probably recouped by now but still a hassle during 360 years.
If he's speaking first party output or even brand awareness, than he is delusional.
But I think he's using my first option.
I Reclaim3mer 117
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This has nothing to do with what phils saying at all and it's hilarious to see people here intentionally spinning it that way to push their agendas. I think he's saying no red ring fiasco profitability out the gate, and more of their vision with stuff like Xbox live anywhere all being realized on Xbox 1. In that vein he's absolutely right plus Xbox one isn't doing bad or unsuccessful it's just not as successful as PlayStation 4 I don't get why people want the brand to fail so badly when it's not. Sure the first party output is not the same as early 360 to some people but it's still a great output. Plus we should wait and see what they have in the pipeline for e3 going forward into next year and beyond but why be rational let's destroy him cause console wars!
If he is using "games" as a metric, I would argue that Allard's original Xbox wins handily. That was the one generation where I owned all three systems concurrently without selling any down the line (sadly, my basement flooded and none of them survived 
). But, the Xbox One has had a terrible line-up aside from Rare Replay and Insomniac's game (the name is escaping me right now, but I really really liked it). Ori was great too. But Halo was disappointing, as was Gears, and Project Spark, something that I was actually excited about as a huge Rare fanboy (I ended up picking up and later selling the Xbone just for Rare Replay) was so disappointing.
). But, the Xbox One has had a terrible line-up aside from Rare Replay and Insomniac's game (the name is escaping me right now, but I really really liked it). Ori was great too. But Halo was disappointing, as was Gears, and Project Spark, something that I was actually excited about as a huge Rare fanboy (I ended up picking up and later selling the Xbone just for Rare Replay) was so disappointing.- Status
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