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Hillary Clinton video message on Facebook
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teruterubozu
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eh, it's why we come in these threads anyway. I mean, what else is there to talk about here except the same crap for the last 10 months? I admit I come in here to get outraged too, but it's pointless.
whyamihere
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I mean your posts are basically garbage excuses for why everything will be fine without Hillary as a candidate in 2020, which is the opposite of true. So.
You really think this election was won on race and gender?
Lol
The Bernie wing aren't going to get a president elected. It needs to be someone more moderate.
Yep, an electoral college that was gamed against her because of millennials who don't fucking show up for midterms, and more importantly midterms during consensus years. Because of some petty shit that they decided was more important than the BLM fight, LGBTQ rights, immigration, healthcare, and the supreme court.
We're talking about life and death in some cases but nah she's robotic, she's not genuine enough, but her emails. Caring about those issues wasn't a priority as soon as their candidate of choice lost.
Even bracketing our institutional sexism and its effect on the election, I do think Biden is the only potential Democrat candidate that would have assuredly beaten Trump head-to-head. He countered virtually all of Trump's strengths and had a penis to boot.
whyamihere
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In an election decided by 70,000 people, there are a multitude of reasons why a person can lose, so yeah, that's close enough where gender could've mattered.
Yes.
Billy_Pilgrim
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And to top it off they want a candidate who focuses on those two things next time round too.
Bonen no Max'd
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I'm not sure how much whyamihere and I are that similar ideologically but he's 100% right here.
I'm mad and remain mad about Hillary fucking this up but the problems with this country that did go far deeper than her being a bad candidate. Trump should've dropped out in Iowa after getting fifth, we have deeper problems to fix before we can stop worrying.
Even if Hillary won we wouldn't have fixed these problems, in which case we have president Sessions or something in 2020.
I'm mad and remain mad about Hillary fucking this up but the problems with this country that did go far deeper than her being a bad candidate. Trump should've dropped out in Iowa after getting fifth, we have deeper problems to fix before we can stop worrying.
Even if Hillary won we wouldn't have fixed these problems, in which case we have president Sessions or something in 2020.
teruterubozu
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Yeah cuz moderate was a big hit this election.
Arrogant Bastard
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It might be embarrassing, ignorant, and childish but it is specifically why she lost. This thread has been amazing and depressing, it has deflated me as a progressive more than anything since Clinton lost the election. I was feeling so damn hopefully and instantly it is dashed, we are fucking doomed; not because of Republicans but because of supposed Democrats. We so truly deserve this shit, we earned it.
Oh well, worth a shot. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯It can help or hurt you. Hence why I said bonus points for that, because it does help.
If you're too ignorant to see how unpopular Trump and his policies already are there's really no hope for you.
excelsiorlef
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Unfathomable that after everything that has happened since Trump took office that anyone who isn't a Trump supporter could say something like this
whyamihere
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Oh boy. Good luck in 2020 buddy!
Milly Osworth
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Politicians are so faaaake.
And_Gignac
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She is a politician. She won the popular vote. Trump presidency is off to a terrible start. If things continue to go the wrong way it would be uncharacteristic of her to not do what she has been doing as of late.
Plenty of polls showed Bernie had better support on the key demos that gave Trump the win. Maybe he would have lost, but there was evidence to the contrary.
Arrogant Bastard
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Lol, it was.
Go ahead take me down the statistical break down and show me how it wasn't.
whyamihere
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This is where your characture of Hillary has overtaken reason and decided she's going to run again in the face of all other reason.
I'm sort of enjoying the collective freakout that she might. But cmon.
I mean fuck, let's see if the Bernie wing can win a primary first. Let's not pretend that only Bernie lost: almost all of the candidates he supported lost too. Hard Left candidates took the BIGGEST L in this election.
They couldn't even take down DWS, their biggest enemy.
But yeah, move aside Clinton supporters!
I don't get the Hilary hate beyond her brushing aside negatives in a rather awkward way and courting celebrity too much.
She seemed quite focused on pushing America beyond oil and coal into new skills so people aren't screwed down the line like they will be with Trump and people couldn't see that. She genuinely cared about education, health and rights. The same my ass. Not voting made her lose.
She seemed quite focused on pushing America beyond oil and coal into new skills so people aren't screwed down the line like they will be with Trump and people couldn't see that. She genuinely cared about education, health and rights. The same my ass. Not voting made her lose.
Bonen no Max'd
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Look we're on the same side here but she'd get 1% of the vote in Iowa if she ran, no one is going to vote for the person who lost after running on electability.
oh ok, I was missing the context of how you were using the word "fine". makes sense now and I totally agree with you.
I do honestly think that she could have won with a better executed campaign though, that's why I was disagreeing. in that regard I'm not gonna lie her campaign upset me deeply but it's in the rear view now and we need to go forward so I'm all for hillary's voice being out there. I like what she stands for mostly even if I didn't like every aspect of how her campaign was run.
She never tried her damnest at all. She stood in front of a record $1.2 billion and rode that money wave.
Yo Hillary
lol perfect
whyamihere
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Exactly. And she knows this.
A moderate easily won the popular vote despite the entire campaign being about emails and hacks.
E-Cat
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This sort of 'common wisdom' needs to die by someone like Bernie setting a precedent in the future. If other Western nations can do it, so can you! Yes, even with those rural people who wear those square pattern shirts existing.
Is it really?
Carpe Libertatem
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If your only experience with the U.S. is California, then yes, that is the problem. You are seeing a part of the U.S. that unfortunately does not reflect the rest of the country.
2018's gonna be an interesting year.
You need to view America outside the internet if that's your conclusion.
Arrogant Bastard
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Well for one Hillary and Trump are the same race- white- so that makes no sense.
Well Trump ran because he was upset the man from Africa was president. They may have a point.
This post is detached from reality. It's factually incorrect.
He already set his precedent by losing. The solution isn't to try again with solely his approach.
I did. I saw more Bernie stickers/shirts/signs than Hillary. The excitement divide was real.
Billy_Pilgrim
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Did she win the election? This is like Liverpool fans with possession stats in the Brendan days.
excelsiorlef
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Maybe or maybe not but then I hope you aren't one who claims that a major flaw of Clinton's is that she isn't progressives enough.
California voted 61/31 Hillary.
You are in a bubble. A socially liberal economic powerhouse of a bubble handicapped by a stupid property tax law passed by voters, but a bubble nonetheless.
Arrogant Bastard
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ShironRedshift
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Well, tell me... why is Hillary Clinton criticized to hell and back for the Iraq War vote and the super-predators comment, but Diamond Joe Biden, who also voted for the same war and wrote the crime bill the comment was about in the first place given a free pass for both of those things and treated as if they didn't exist, in addition to having his two failed bids for President completely swept under the rug? Why was Hillary's vote for the Iraq War in particular treated like an unforgivable sin during the primaries, but people don't seem to mind when it's Joe Biden voting for it? Because I can't figure out any reason for that double-standard about it not only being bad, but totally unforgivable-bad when it's HRC, but suddenly not that big of a deal anymore and "all in the past" when Joe Biden's name comes out, other than a combination of internalizing decades of smears for one but not the other and sexist double standards. If that stuff is enough to write Clinton off, it should also be for Biden, but yet...
But in any case, elections are complicated things. They aren't won or lost by any one of factors. Was it purely sexism? No. But it definitely played a damn significant role and was one of the multitude of reasons she lost.
What about it? Please explain.
Are you saying that none of her votes came from the mindset of "anybody but Trump", or "no choice but Hillary"?
Arrogant Bastard
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I'm done with you, you are so disingenuous it is absurd. Stop engaging if you aren't willing to talk about what is being quoted.
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