Just built an MSI based Kabylakes build for a friend. They seem solid enough. I've used Gigabyte, Asus, ASRock, and everyone else under the sun as well. Out of 50 builds the only issue I've had has been with my own Asus board power delivery failing, go figure. Was still under warranty, so just took about a month and was up and running again.
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AMD Ryzen CPUs will launch by March 3
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Just built an MSI based Kabylakes build for a friend. They seem solid enough. I've used Gigabyte, Asus, ASRock, and everyone else under the sun as well. Out of 50 builds the only issue I've had has been with my own Asus board power delivery failing, go figure. Was still under warranty, so just took about a month and was up and running again.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Honestly, I've found more reliability out of MSI than ASRock. My last mobo was from ASRock and the thing completely shit itself. As in I was having random BSODs, thought it might of been the memory and when I ran Memtest, the entire system froze and would constantly reboot at post. Basically, the entire motherboard completely shit itself and all the memory ports failed. I even had a few SATA ports fail inside the system pretty much when I got it. And before that one, I got the same one, but when I bought it, it was DOA, and I bought that in the store (Microcenter). Took it back (it smelled burnt), got it replaced with the one that eventually torched itself.
Tacklemacain
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As i understand it, it chnages from year to year, what company has the lowest failure rate.
2012/13 https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...ts-french-but-i-translated-nearly-everything/
2015 https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Most-Reliable-PC-Hardware-of-2015-749/
Just wait for tests, to see if something is horrible, otherwise it doesnt realy matter which one you get.
2012/13 https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...ts-french-but-i-translated-nearly-everything/
2015 https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Most-Reliable-PC-Hardware-of-2015-749/
Just wait for tests, to see if something is horrible, otherwise it doesnt realy matter which one you get.
ShadowKingpin
Member
Thanks for the info on the ASUS mobos, everyone. I'll just nab the Prime B350 Plus and hope for the best.
TC McQueen
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Here's part 2 of the Ryzen tech day presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h9-MH9pfkw
A summary from Reddit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h9-MH9pfkw
A summary from Reddit:
This is true and why I always buy their pars (Mobo and GPU) at Fry's or Microcenter. ASUS' support is terrible.
GrimmGrinn
Member
Now you're scaring me, got an ASRock board that have basically the same symptoms as yours sans BSOD, just random restart and bios loop.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Yep, if you try to do a Memtest and it freezes immediately, your board is basically done. It fucking sucks, I know.
GrimmGrinn
Member
Thing is, after I bring it to the shop, it's fine when it's tested there.
I suspect it is the board, but I can't get replaced since they cannot reproduce the symptoms.
Hot giggidy
Chinese are getting leaky. Seems a clear win for 1700x.
Even the power consumption is superly lower.
1700x gaming 154 vs 194
https://videocardz.com/66451/amd-ryzen-rumors-part-3
These performance figures and power consumption reminds me of the thrashing Nvidia usually unleashes on AMD GPUs.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Huge differences in power consumption. Hope that's true.
PdotMichael
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Stunning job.
I hve the 1800x preordered and I'm so ready!
I hve the 1800x preordered and I'm so ready!
TC McQueen
Member
Wait for the reviews, since these are all new mobos too. But playing the odds, I'd say the ASUS, Gigabyte, and MSI ones are going to be solid, no matter the platform (B350 or X370).
mordecaii83
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I decided (reluctantly) to stick with my 5820k at 4.5GHz for now, couldn't justify a full PC upgrade this year when I'm not exactly hurting for performance. Decided to buy a couple more SSD's and whichever new video card seems to be the better performer.
I'm still super excited about Ryzen though because I'm hoping it'll push Intel to release something amazing next year, and also I'm hoping AMD has a Ryzen 2 ready in 1-2 years. That's most likely when I'll finally bite the bullet and build a new rig from scratch.
I'm still super excited about Ryzen though because I'm hoping it'll push Intel to release something amazing next year, and also I'm hoping AMD has a Ryzen 2 ready in 1-2 years. That's most likely when I'll finally bite the bullet and build a new rig from scratch.
Tacklemacain
Member
I think if you want to use your CPU for the next 4-5 years, you might want to get a 8 core CPU.
I am looking at the B350 chipset boards as they are cheaper and I don't plan on using a dual GPU setup. The previous page has an image comparing the different motherboard chipsets.
The TDP/power consumption is by far the most surprising thing about Ryzen to me. You'd expect it to do well in heavily threaded applications just from a core count perspective, and it's not that surprising that they've done some catching up to Intel in IPC, given how slowly Intel's chips have advanced on that front in the past few years. Actually beating Intel on power consumption (if that is indeed the case) is straight-up crazy, though, as Intel seem to have been focussing the bulk of their R&D on reducing power draw for over 5 years now, and they've still got an effective manufacturing node advantage over AMD.
It bodes very well for AMD's laptop business, which is near non-existent outside of the entry-most of entry-levels due to how poorly they've been competing with Intel on perf/W, but the potential of affordable quad-core Zen APUs with decent integrated graphics and genuinely good performance per Watt could shake up the laptop market quite a bit.
The mention of "Ryzen Mobile" for this year on one of AMD's slides is also very interesting in that regard, as it suggests that they're actually going to release laptop parts based on the Summit Ridge die (i.e. up to 8C/16T with no IGP). The 65W TDP of the 1700, combined with the low reported real-world power consumption of the 1700X above, would mean this could be the first big leap in mobile workstation performance for the best part of a decade. Granted, any laptop featuring these would need a dedicated GPU, but AMD's 35W Polaris models are quite power efficient, and at the price point an 8C/16T laptop would likely go for a dedicated GPU would be expected, anyway.
I don't expect Apple to move away from Intel any time soon, but if they introduced new MBPs with 8C/16T Ryzen CPUs this year I might finally have a reason to upgrade from my old 2720QM-powered 2011 model.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Unless you have a Pascal Titan X or two and/or game at 720p resolution, you will be entirely GPU bound whilst gaming. So Ryzen will perform absolutely identically to a 7700K.
The only difference will be better fps in games that scale well across more than 4 cores 8 threads. Here you'll see noticeable gains for Ryzen.
Why would you get an Intel when it consumes more power all other things being equal. (and they're not especially multi-threaded performance)
I can only think of few corner cases but for general populace, it just doesnt make sense. Price, performance, power is what 99% of the people will care about.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Apple plays this game with their suppliers where they ensure one doesn't get too rich and powerful, which would happen if they awarded the same company the contract to produce certain parts all the time. That's why they've been swapping around suppliers for GPUs, camera sensors etc. In some cases they don't have a choice and that's the problem with the CPUs. But they would only be very keen to swap out Intel for AMD soon seeing as how good Ryzen appears.
With the efficiency, it's remarkable, isn't this to do with AVX2 not having to run on Ryzen's? And could it even be, that Intel's architecture has been pushed so high with frequency that they've reached a level where they come clocked too far past the point of their optimum.
Hot giggidy
https://videocardz.com/66451/amd-ryzen-rumors-part-3
These performance figures and power consumption reminds me of the thrashing Nvidia usually unleashes on AMD GPUs.
I didn't actually expect AMD to have lower power consumption than intel with Ryzen. Huh.
They do swap around between suppliers for a number of components, but they've never done so with CPUs before (the IBM->Intel jump wasn't really a case of playing the two off each other). There have been rumours that they're looking to use an AMD APU for an upcoming iMac, which would make sense given the GPU requirements for those 5K displays, but I don't think it's as likely for their laptops, which are the largest (and likely most profitable) part of their Mac business. For one thing, Apple have really gone all-in on Thunderbolt with their recent refresh, and with how Intel have locked that down I don't see Apple being able to bring those Thunderbolt ports over to an AMD-powered laptop.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Interesting though that they did go with an AMD GPU in their latest Macbooks, which is more inefficient than Nvidia's offerings.
Yet here, Ryzen's CPUs are much closer to Intel's comparatively, so we'll see.
PowerThroughLov
Member
Polaris is much thinner (height wise, 'z' height), and I think that had more to do with it than anything else. Apple loves that thinness.
Actually the Polaris 11 they're using, at mobile clocks, is pretty much the most efficient laptop GPU around. It's a 35W part, whereas Nvidia's decision to use standard desktop parts in laptops this generation means their lowest TDP laptop option is the 1050 at 75W. Certainly Nvidia would be a better option at higher performance levels, but for the MacBook Pro, which is certainly not a gaming machine, the Polaris 11 GPUs give Apple good enough performance at a very low power draw.
Insane Metal
Member
Hot giggidy
https://videocardz.com/66451/amd-ryzen-rumors-part-3
These performance figures and power consumption reminds me of the thrashing Nvidia usually unleashes on AMD GPUs.
WHAT
No fucking way. What sorcery is this???
This. The self-imposed reliance on as few as possible USB C + Thunderbolt ports which lights the sales of required accessories ensures that Apple will keep looking for innovations in gimmicks like the touch bar. Very bad timing on their part, but just can't imagine them doing a new Ryzen based macOS hardware line not compatible with the just enforced accessory ecosystem.
$16 was gonna be my sell point if things turned out well initially(Bought some at $2, sold half at 4, kept the rest since), now I'm not so sure about that. Maybe I'll sell 10% of my shares to buy a 1700x and put the rest away for a dip.
LelouchZero
Member
AMD had to sit back and meditate in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, now they've Ryzen with power levels of 9000.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Good point yeah I forgot how efficient Polaris is at lower frequencies, and how it really is a mobile-focused design at its core.
Appreciate the answer. I'll hold off from the purchase of Mobo and Ryzen until I arrive home this weekend. I'll start my purchasing of the rest of my components until reviews are out. I doubt I'll do a dual GPU combo so the B350 chipset may be my mobo of choice after further research.
cyen
Member
If overclock is in your mind pay attention to the B350 motherboards, not because of the chipset itself but most of them only have 4+2 power phases and AMD chips are usually very picky when in comes to stable power delivery (do not confuse with TDP).
TC McQueen
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Well, here's some info about RAM compatibility with the ASUS Crosshair Hero 6:
Hot giggidy
https://videocardz.com/66451/amd-ryzen-rumors-part-3
These performance figures and power consumption reminds me of the thrashing Nvidia usually unleashes on AMD GPUs.
Bulldozer had worse IPC and drew loads of power
Ryzen is like the second coming
SolidSnakeUS
Member
It's quite literally what the desktop world needed in terms of a jolt to the norm. So glad Ryzen is around
.Aztechnology
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The stocks keep Ryzen. I haven't decided if I want to sell soon. I bought in around 12 per, . Didn't have the money to invest a year or so ago which sucks. Only was able to put in $1000 as a student.
exmachina64
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Papacheeks
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Well, here's some info about RAM compatibility with the ASUS Crosshair Hero 6:
Is the Asus Crosshair still the only motherboard so far that will do higher than 2666 DDR4?
cyen
Member
Wait for the reviews on March 2nd before you buy anything.
TC McQueen
Member
Here's AMD's streaming schedule for the week:
https://www.facebook.com/AMDGaming/...383.165710583501437/1378426545563162/?type=3p
https://www.facebook.com/AMDGaming/...383.165710583501437/1378426545563162/?type=3p
No idea.
Tacklemacain
Member
Probably, but you should wait for benchmarks and maybe the ryzen 6 cores.
MSI also have boards with 3200 mhz support just like ASUS. I was very confused about the ASUS as they only listed 2666 but one day i tried another browser and their site has updated to 3200
Cache still had it at 2666 in my other browser.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
That's not universal, certain games are still quite CPU limited even with a GTX 1080 and above 1080p resolutions. And if you want to push for 100/144fps, you really need a strong CPU with most games. The question becomes how well they support threads especially past 4 (+4) cores and the answer can still sometimes be: not very well, but getting better every day.
Just like with memory scaling, there's no one right answer. Some games benefit tremendously from upgrading/overclocking your memory (Fallout 4, GTA 5 to name a few), while other games care very little about memory speeds. Same with CPUs, some games scale really well with multiple cores or threads, others still rely a lot on single thread speed and some games just never really use CPU at all.
On that note, when reviews hit, what I really want to see is 1700X vs 6700/7700k with CPUs overclocked with air coolers. That's a pretty common scenario for a lot of enthusiasts.
General Lee
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I'm waiting to see if 1700x really is the best choice here, and whether I want to splurge and get a Crosshair Hero board instead of something cheaper. AFAIK it's the only board that has AM3 cooler compatibility, which means I could use my current Mugen, and since AM4 is potentially a long lasting socket, it might make sense to get a higher end board that'll endure, especially with all this talk about OC stability and memory speeds going around. I really wasn't considering an expensive board before this, in theory I could've gone even with B350, but I feel it's a safer bet to invest a bit more if I'm going to keep the board for the next 5 years and keep my options available.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Whats so special about this? you can hit that easily and beyond now with any z170/270 intel boards. I'm running that right now with 14-14-14-34-2T timings on 32GB of Gskil F4-32200C14 at 1.36v
Has AMD been low on memory frequency until Ryzen?