I guess Horus could have been a precursor but for Gaia to be a self aware AI to know what they're and to be able be it's own person in a way... That's incredible how much they got right on their first try!
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I guess Horus could have been a precursor but for Gaia to be a self aware AI to know what they're and to be able be it's own person in a way... That's incredible how much they got right on their first try!
I was fiending for voice recordings soooo hard in this game lol. Searched like a hawk everywhere when I was in the old ruins and bunkers, etc.
SolicitorPirate
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Even so, that's just America. Project Zero Dawn however appeared to be an international operation that was somehow organised in days, seemingly all under American leadership.
Like this isn't a big deal to me. The story told was good enough that I'm willing to suspend my disbelief. I just reckon it was unrealistically quick and painless.
There is nothing that suggests other countries were involved. Logs state that scientists were abducted from around the world and brought back to the U.S. This suggests they didn't go through with foreign governments.
MegaSackman
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Also, it saddens me that they didn't pull a Gandalf The White with Rost, probably my favourite character in the game outside of Aloy. They kinda hinted that by not recovering the body. :'(
It could have been cheap tho.
It could have been cheap tho.
SolicitorPirate
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Wasn't there something about Zero Dawn facilities being created around the globe, or am I imagining that?
Vincent Alexander
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I think I would've liked it if he didn't re-appear so quickly. He could still give his life to protect her, but it seemed to come quick. Though I couldn't argue against his motivation for being at the fight---it seems fitting that he would have secretly been watching her go through the proving. That's just how great of a father he was.
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You're right, but I can't remember what for...I think they were talking about teraformimg machines, and other various parts of Gaia, so they could spread them out more. Wish I remembered details. Not sure if this was for redundancy or efficiency.
everyday math
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There was
Ardenyal
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Gaia died in the explosion at Gaia prime. Her last order was to create a clone of sobeck. Aloy is 18ish? So that's how long the chaotic evolution of machines has been going on and in that time I guess the ai building machines noted that weapons seem more effective.
That wasn't the corruption. That's just how the Faro robots fueled themselves.
The corruption is what afflicted Gaia's agents and Hades in particular. Corrupted Hades is the reason for the red corrupted bots. Hades had the power to infect Gaia's machines and use them to its own end.
I remain open to the possibility that the master Sylens refers to may be a sentience created by the original Swarms that destroyed the biome and intend to do so once again.
Again there are many possibilities. Maybe it was Hades that was able to start arming them before Gaia severed the connection. Maybe Gaia set them up to be another Operation Enduring Victory while Elizabet's clone grew to maturity. Maybe some backup routines noted Gaia's absence and prepared for the worst.
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Speaking of Sylens it bugged me how there's never any comment on the neon blue tubes throughout his body.
It seems more then just the average body piercings. Seem lit up.
It seems more then just the average body piercings. Seem lit up.
Irishmantis
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Just beat the game
So good....
But did we ever find out why Rost was outcasted?
So good....
But did we ever find out why Rost was outcasted?
everyday math
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Yes. You could've asked the matriarch after you came out of the vault.
WordsintheWater
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I swear there was another character in the game that had the same thing, but they weren't glowing blue.
Yes, but the U.S had a presence in a lot of places when they were fighting with the swarms. By the time they were working on Zero Dawn, I doubt there were that there are any civil governments left. Hell, there a lot of countries that ceased to exist as the swarm moved. The U.S is going to be taking the lead in fighting the swarm, I doubt other countries military governments can or are willing to stop the U.S from building facilities in their countries.
Irishmantis
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Shit
What was it?
Also I can definitely see why people seen MGS similarities in this
At clone off a legend from the pass and not knowing it, Sylans given me Deeothroat vibes and Metal devil using Deathbringers like Metal gears.
They made it there own and blew it out of the park, well done GG
Walker_Boh
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Sorry if this has been answered but is there a connection between the flowers growing around Elisabet's body and the metal flowers that you can collect? It is the same triangle pattern and everything. Also, fuck Ted Faro.
Yes, I remember thinking the same thing at the time.
My internal game logic was screaming, 'HEY. THESE NPCs ARE SUSPICIOUS. DON'T TRUST THEM.'
Going to take me a while to remember who it was.
everyday math
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For real? Dammit someone find him!
Vincent Alexander
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I was wondering that myself, and just came up with a bullshit answer...did Gaia and thus the teraforming subroutine know where she died, saw that pattern around her, and thus subconsciously (or whatever) recreated her death scene when teraforming? Each metal flower and that pattern could have been Gaia mourning the loss of Elizabet. Each a memorial to her passing.
MegaSackman
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Thx, that all makes sense but I thought I missed something there and I see now that it's up to interpretation.
I just stumbled upon them this morning, the Shaman in the Banuk camp had them on/in his chest.
WordsintheWater
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I distinctly remember thinking it was paint at first then noticed the raised skin and was like oh crap what tribe is this, but I don't remember anything else about it. Then the next time I saw it was on Sylens, I just can't for the life of me remember who it was or where I saw him.
OMG thank you, that's who it was. Went through the rest of the game thinking who that person was that I saw them on.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Yeah, I think the Metal Devils are Horus.
Walker_Boh
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It's possible but Aloy also says that the metal flowers are new when you collect them and Gaia has been dead for awhile.
I did that quest after completing the game, Aloy mentioned the Orb in the mountain was an AI orb similar to Hades, not sure which it was supposed to be though. Does doing it early on before meeting Sylens have different dialog?
Sitting on 84% trophy completion, think I just have all metal flowers/vessels, knocking down the Grazer dummies and I'm assuming one involving the baby king, they made a big deal out of it but I went into the main story thing and haven't been back since I finished.
Sitting on 84% trophy completion, think I just have all metal flowers/vessels, knocking down the Grazer dummies and I'm assuming one involving the baby king, they made a big deal out of it but I went into the main story thing and haven't been back since I finished.
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Ahhh I wonder why his glows blue then. Could just be GG giving him a cool design I guess.
WordsintheWater
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She doesn't mention Hades at all when you do it before, that's pretty cool
here's the video of him, I time stamped it
https://youtu.be/gLtxFfYJfSE?t=6m43s
I guess they just never really explain what that is
His glows blue as well actually. Looks like its on the Banuk Shaman as another one has the same thing, possibly Sylens was a Banuk Shaman?
Irishmantis
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if they ever make a movie out of this (which I honestly think it might work) at least they already got our boy Sylens cast. Seeing the mechadinos on the big screen would be awesome.
He could be Banuk, I thought he gave some good background on himiself in that face-to-face in his workshop near the end of the game. I thought he was from Carja. Could definitely see a man as thirsty for knowledge as he is going all around though.
He could be Banuk, I thought he gave some good background on himiself in that face-to-face in his workshop near the end of the game. I thought he was from Carja. Could definitely see a man as thirsty for knowledge as he is going all around though.
WordsintheWater
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Looks like it's only on the Shaman, so I would assume he was a Banuk Shaman. He never says which tribe he belonged to.
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I wonder how they do it. Or why really. Looks painful.
Walker_Boh
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What are the odds that Ted is the one who woke up Hades? He wasn't in the room when the alphas died and he is already a gigantic fucking asshole so I can see him doing that.
MegaSackman
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I was watching trailers yesterday and the story trailer from E3 2016 has some scenes not featured in the game, mostly with a Banuk shaman (it appears to be Banuk). Also, would have loved to see a dinosaurs marching with Across the Day Brink song.
https://youtu.be/u4-FCsiF5x4
https://youtu.be/u4-FCsiF5x4
I think he said he went to the Carja after he'd already started working for Hades and that they were easy to fool. So I don't think he's Carja.
I'm guessing Ted was vain enough to create his own "True AI" similar to Gaia that was a representation of himself, and the AI would be as flawed as the man himself..I still need to listen to/read a lot of the data, Lis mentioned the "real cause of the glitch" a couple of times, but I don't think she actually said what this was.
here's what it says in that fancy artbook I got
"In the Banuk shaman designs, I wanted to show the tribe's spiritual attitude towards machines. Huge head pieces created out of machine parts, shrouds of entangled cables and ribbons, incisions of robot cords that cover their hands - all to present them as beings between the human world and the machine world, capable of communicating with machines."
EDIT: welp flipped to the next page and there is Sylens with the Banuk. So Banuk confirmed.
Direction of the next game seems obvious. Go around rebuilding Gaia and collecting the other AI's that she'll need, sort of God of War in reverse (actually a lot of this game is the polar opposite of GoW).
Also seems likely that Ted froze himself at his own "delux" facility, was the one who sent the signal, and will be the antagonist next time. I mean, Aloy is the reincarnation of the Alpha and Ted used the Omega protocol...
Also seems likely that Ted froze himself at his own "delux" facility, was the one who sent the signal, and will be the antagonist next time. I mean, Aloy is the reincarnation of the Alpha and Ted used the Omega protocol...
I dont think humanity accepted it so much as the story is looking to paint Elisabeth in a supremely competant light. Ultimately there were likely many teams all around the globe doing their best to fight it. However none of that mattered since Elisabeth said it was futile and If she had been wrong it would cause the player to question her every action and have have destroyed the narative.
FlutterPuffs
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Could be. Werent the banuk open about learning more about the machines than the other tribes?
Did you find the log about the endangered dolphin blender? It's from the beginning of the plague and they are trying to figure out how to spin the PR about the Swarm liquefying a bunch of dolphins.
True, Sylens did mention the Old Ones did try to achieve immortality through Cryogenics. Could've been a bit of foreshadowing.
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One of my favorite logs is the one about the soldier who got his legs basically eaten off during the swarm.
gundamkyoukai
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When that happens in the game it 35 years from now.
So maybe mankind got better to each other in that time.
In the art book, Sylens is on the page with the Banuk character art.
KINGofCRA5H
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So I just went back to get the last power cell in the ruins you are in as child Aloy, was the first time I had been back there, and I found this, inside was a metal flower..........
edit: I didn't realize until just now that all metal flowers have the design on the ground around them. Derp
Yeah, they mention it when you talk to them.
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