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[Neff]

Maybe a lot of people on GAF were right and what doomed the U wasn't the hardware or software, but the marketing/name.

Wii U launch was initially successful, among devoted Nintendo fans at least, but dropped off quickly for so many reasons, and Nintendo have eliminated almost all of those reasons with their new machine.

Switch is an appealing idea, marketed well, and has a genuinely unmissable game at launch. It's doing better out of the gate and the chances for it to do better long term as well are exponentially higher.

 

[SporeCrawler]

Funny, i listened to the new PS I Love You XOXO podcast this evening and Colin said he heard the numbers are terrible for sales in Europe and things are already looking bad for the console.
Numbers for the year will drop because they have no big titles until Mario.
I think he's underestimating Nintendo fans. This time we have hardware we love (unlike Wii U), like you loved that Vita. We will be there for the games when they release.

Then i remembered reading this news yesterday, and seeing that the Switch is doing better week 1 launch numbers than Xbox One, Xbox 360, Wii U, PS3, PSP, and Vita.

Anything below PS4 is terribad because PS4 is te absolute bottomline on console launches

/s

Wii U launch was initially successful, among devoted Nintendo fans at least, but dropped off quickly for so many reasons, and Nintendo have eliminated almost all of those reasons with their new machine.

Switch is an appealing idea, marketed well, and has a genuinely unmissable game at launch. It's doing better out of the gate and the chances for it to do better long term as well are exponentially higher.

Main reason was that there was 0 games until Pikmin 3 from nintendo.

This time around Nintendo is releasing Mario Kart 8, Splatoon 2 and Arms within a few month

 

[Hyperactivity]

Fastest selling means very little with such small time frames and when the objective sales really does not amount to anything extraordinary.



PS4 sold 1 million day 1 in NA alone.
Some more comparisons: PS4 launched with 250k in UK alone.
In one month (even with a staggered release and no Japan), PS4 sold 4 million+ in one month (December).



Whats your time frame? Launch week/month.....very little unless sales are extraordinary. Most launches are supply constrained. Give it a month and we can gauge long term trajectory better.

2 things:

1. The PS4 is a very successful console
2. Holiday season. Holiday season. Releasing during the holidays, when games tend to be released, when consumers tend to buy more, etc. Holiday season.

 

[ramparter]

https://www.enternity.gr/Article/Bl...κό-ξεκίνημα-για-το-Nintendo-Switch/40943.html

Greek article for sales in Greece.

Some key points:

- 4 digit sales, much more than 1.000 units, til Tuesday.
- Day one sales 2,5 times those of 3DS
- Almost 1:1 Zelda attach rate.
- Limited editions sold out. (personal note: according to kostovolos website, there are still some available)
- Second best selling game 1 2 Switch at 20%
- Sales continued strong on Monday
- 1/3 buyers also bought the official case, 20% bought a pro controller

 

[maxcriden]

Maybe a lot of people on GAF were right and what doomed the U wasn't the hardware or software, but the marketing/name.

The U didn't have the hype of a new Nintendo console. This time around, that feeling is palpable.

Personally I think it was a combination of hardware and name, and initially unexciting software. The messaging itself was very confusing, people thought it was an add-on to the Wii that they didn't really need or understand or care about.

 

[marcbret87]

Wii U launch was initially successful, among devoted Nintendo fans at least, but dropped off quickly for so many reasons, and Nintendo have eliminated almost all of those reasons with their new machine.

Switch is an appealing idea, marketed well, and has a genuinely unmissable game at launch. It's doing better out of the gate and the chances for it to do better long term as well are exponentially higher.

Pretty much sums it up. There can be complaints about the price, the hardware and so on, but the console has a basic concept that is much easier to comprehend for the general public, and having a GOAT Zelda game as a launch title is the best possible selling point. The Wii U had basically a fairly run-of-the-mill 2-D Mario as a launch title and a bunch of 3rd party games that were already available on other systems at better prices.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

https://www.enternity.gr/Article/Bl...κό-ξεκίνημα-για-το-Nintendo-Switch/40943.html

Greek article for sales in Greece.

Some key points:

- 4 digit sales, much more than 1.000 units, til Tuesday.
- Day one sales 2,5 times those of 3DS
- Almost 1:1 Zelda attach rate.
- Limited editions sold out. (personal note: according to kostovolos website, there are still some available)
- Second best selling game 1 2 Switch at 20%
- Sales continued strong on Monday
- 1/3 buyers also bought the official case, 20% bought a pro controller

Definitely interesting to get the individual reads per country. Wonder if any particular correlations will come out of it.

 

[jroc74]

For reference

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_launch

So Switch is > 325k in Europe? Not bad at all.

So
Europe 325k
Japan 317k
NA at least 400k

Switch sold at least over a million in its first weekend. That seems pretty intense. PS4 sold 1 mil on day 1 and hit 2 mil in 15 days.

God damn.

Wii U launch was initially successful, among devoted Nintendo fans at least, but dropped off quickly for so many reasons, and Nintendo have eliminated almost all of those reasons with their new machine.

Switch is an appealing idea, marketed well, and has a genuinely unmissable game at launch. It's doing better out of the gate and the chances for it to do better long term as well are exponentially higher.

Yea I agree. IMO Nintendo might have been better calling the Wii U Wii 2. Even tho the Switch is more of a Wii 2 in concept.

Marketing and messaging has been on point for the Switch, even if I dont agree about it being a home console first. The fact that its up for debate and not confusing or muddled means Nintendo did a really good job on marketing and message.

 

[RaffAO]

I'm not suprised it is outperforming the Wii at this stage.

As bad as the Wii U has done, I don't think Nintendo has the stark irrelevence that it had at the end of the GC era in Europe. It's a much much bigger brand at this point after the success of the Wii, DS, recent phone games and N64 nostalgia peaking.

 

[Crazyorloco]

Pretty much sums it up. There can be complaints about the price, the hardware and so on, but the console has a basic concept that is much easier to comprehend for the general public, and having a GOAT Zelda game as a launch title is the best possible selling point. The Wii U had basically a fairly run-of-the-mill 2-D Mario as a launch title and a bunch of 3rd party games that were already available on other systems at better prices.

Yup, Nintendo was too confident after the Wii's success. Now we have a real killer app at launch. This bodes well for the Switch.

 

[Behlel]

So
Europe 325k
Japan 317k
NA at least 400k

Switch sold at least over a million in its first weekend. That seems pretty intense. PS4 sold 1 mil on day 1 and hit 2 mil in 15 days.

PS4 reached 2 million on the 24h of EU launch because it was sold out everywhere in USA.

 

[Dr Funfrock]

That's pretty good considering the fact that I can't even buy one at the local electronics store and with a probable limited supply in these countries.

 

[Vinnk]

So
Europe 325k
Japan 317k
NA at least 400k

Switch sold at least over a million in its first weekend. That seems pretty intense. PS4 sold 1 mil on day 1 and hit 2 mil in 15 days.

Media Create says the Switch actually sold 329.152 in Japan, so its even a little bit more.

 

[SpookyBlackFish]

Anything below PS4 is terribad because PS4 is te absolute bottomline on console launch es

And keep in mind, everything that sells less than PS2, Wii or PS4 in the same time frames or during its whole cycle, is a failure

Ok, overly dramatic. But really, not every sales record can always be broken with every new cycle. Many people seem quite obsessed with that. PS4 is outstanding, XB1 is doing fine and is far away from failure (just dwarfed by PS4) and how failures from the start look and behave, we also know (WiiU).

Be as it may, it is not easy to realistically estimate things concerning the Switch long term sales wise. At the moment, it seems to have a good start and quite a perception. Let's see how it turns out.

 

[Slaythe]

Yeah I think NIntendo is clearly not trying to be "competition" so much as being "another complementary device".

At this point almost all gamers have a Pc or Ps4 (many have both), and the Switch is that last bit of technology we need to feel the gap for unique games + handled. Worked for me anyway.

Right now the Switch has the potential to succeed tremendously.

But they need to not be cocky, and need to give it their all. Which means : Entirely show that the 3ds has nothing over the Switch. Stop making cool games or versions for 3DS only (pokemon, DQ XI cartoon style, Pikmin etc...) and make those games on Switch too.

A pokemon switch that is adventure and not a "stadium" game, would cement the success of the console.

In a year or two, release a light chargeable battery that you can plug in the switch and play anywhere that extends the battery life for 2 to 3 hours, and you're good to go !

 

[Herb Alpert]

Fastest selling means very little with such small time frames and when the objective sales really does not amount to anything extraordinary.



PS4 sold 1 million day 1 in NA alone.
Some more comparisons: PS4 launched with 250k in UK alone.
In one month (even with a staggered release and no Japan), PS4 sold 4 million+ in one month (December).



Whats your time frame? Launch week/month.....very little unless sales are extraordinary. Most launches are supply constrained. Give it a month and we can gauge long term trajectory better.

downplaying again, huh? Keep up the good work. Next, MC thread.
Don't worry Switch probably won't outsell PS4.

You know that it could be below your beloved PS4 and still be a good launch don't you?

 

[Shiggy]

downplaying again, huh? Keep up the good work. Next, MC thread.
Don't worry Switch probably won't outsell PS4.

You know that it could be below your beloved PS4 and still be a good launch don't you?

He's only stating facts. No need to get salty over nothing.

 

[Herb Alpert]

He's only stating facts. No need to get salty over nothing.

Fair enough.
I guess I'm just tired of the negativity here around this thing, even when the news are good.

 

[The_Lump]

My fear is that there won't be anything of significance in the first year aside from these 3 games, as I have no interest in Splatoon.

Possibly not in terms of 'big' first party games, no. But there will be 3rd party games announced/released too (yes yes, "lolz" I know)

Not to mention X2 is scheduled for 2017 as well (although i can see that slipping to 2018 easily)

 

[KAL2006]

For those saying no chance of price drop and bundle by fall.

PS4 had bundles within its first year. I remember picking infamous and PS4 for the normal retail price of a PS4 on its own.

I'm actually expecting Arms and Splatoon 2 Bundles for July (when Splatoon 2 releases).
Splatoon 2 Bundle - $299
Arms Bundle - $299

Then a price cut by November with new bundles
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Bundle - $250
Smash Bros Deluxe Bundle - $250

 

[Okami Haundo]

For those saying no chance of price drop and bundle by fall.

PS4 had bundles within its first year. I remember picking infamous and PS4 for the normal retail price of a PS4 on its own.

I'm actually expecting Arms and Splatoon 2 Bundles for July (when Splatoon 2 releases).
Splatoon 2 Bundle - $299
Arms Bundle - $299

Then a price cut by November with new bundles
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Bundle - $250
Smash Bros Deluxe Bundle - $250

I almost agree with you, albeit with changed timing and no price drops. They're in a perfect position to bundle in some software for the fall, but I don't think they'll need to do so until then. Cutting the price during the first year just sounds like an easy way to annoy day one buyers, let alone cutting the price and bundling a game.

 

[In Service]

PS4 reached 2 million on the 24h of EU launch because it was sold out everywhere in USA.

Indeed.

But balanced against a holiday launch for PS4 and an odd launch window for Switch it's an impressive set of numbers from Nintendo.

 

[ramparter]

For those saying no chance of price drop and bundle by fall.

PS4 had bundles within its first year. I remember picking infamous and PS4 for the normal retail price of a PS4 on its own.

I'm actually expecting Arms and Splatoon 2 Bundles for July (when Splatoon 2 releases).
Splatoon 2 Bundle - $299
Arms Bundle - $299

Then a price cut by November with new bundles
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Bundle - $250
Smash Bros Deluxe Bundle - $250

LOL expecting bundle AND price drop in the first year. You will probably get a bundle at 350$.

 

[Raw64life]

Bundles? Yes

Price drop? lol

 

[1st Course]

Maybe a lot of people on GAF were right and what doomed the U wasn't the hardware or software, but the marketing/name.

The U didn't have the hype of a new Nintendo console. This time around, that feeling is palpable.

The gamepad is what doomed the Wii U. Nobody wanted that thing, not even Nintendo devs.

 

[Lothars]

LOL expecting bundle AND price drop in the first year. You will probably get a bundle at 350$.

Bundles? Yes

Price drop? lol

I don't think a price drop is out of the question. There will definitely be bundles though.

 

[MarkMclovin]

Why has EVERYTHING got to be compared to the PS4 all the time??

Jesus.

 

[N.Domixis]

Prediction, switch will be the second best selling console(current sales) moving forward with PS4 and Xbox as 1st and third.

 

[DjRalford]

Well my switch and Zelda have been dispatched by very so that's another sale, should be with me in the next couple of days.

My daughter is still thoroughly enjoying hers though even with just snipperclips and 1-2 switch.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Prediction, switch will be the second best selling console(current sales) moving forward with PS4 and Xbox as 1st and third.

What is the Xbox 1 sitting at worldwide?

 

[Herb Alpert]

Why has EVERYTHING got to be compared to the PS4 all the time??

Jesus.

that's my question as well.

 

[jroc74]

Why has EVERYTHING got to be compared to the PS4 all the time??

Jesus.

that's my question as well.

Well to be fair ppl compare sales to the Wii too. (and PS2) I know for me I like to know where the PS4 is vs the Wii.

I get what yall are saying tho, lol. For me I wanna know where will the Switch stack up vs the 3DS and maybe the Wii U + 3DS combined. I dont really care about comparing it to PS4 sales.

 

[orioto]

Maybe a lot of people on GAF were right and what doomed the U wasn't the hardware or software, but the marketing/name.

The U didn't have the hype of a new Nintendo console. This time around, that feeling is palpable.

Anything regarding the console or marketing is nothing.

It's always the game.

WiiU would have had BotW at launch, it would have had Switch numbers. Nintendo has to stop thinking their dumb hardware concepts are selling the console. Ambitious Nintendo games sell consoles.

Also nobody never ever bought a 3ds for any of its hardware or gimmick. It sold cause it had every game people wanted.

 

[kami_sama]

WTF, it seems that it's the fastest selling console ever in Spain with 45k units, 8k more than the ps4 in the same time frame.

 

[Deku89]

I don't think a price drop is out of the question. There will definitely be bundles though.

I think there will be limited black Friday sales, not a full on price drop. But judging from the history of Wii U, I might even doubt the sale.

 

[jon bones]

WTF, it seems that it's the fastest selling console ever in Spain with 45k units, 8k more than the ps4 in the same time frame.

woah where ya seein that?

 

[kami_sama]

woah where ya seein that?

Sorry, forgot to post the link: http://www.vandal.net/noticia/13506...zamiento-de-consola-de-la-historia-de-espana/ (in Spanish)

 

[BRocknRolla]

For those saying no chance of price drop and bundle by fall.

PS4 had bundles within its first year. I remember picking infamous and PS4 for the normal retail price of a PS4 on its own.

I'm actually expecting Arms and Splatoon 2 Bundles for July (when Splatoon 2 releases).
Splatoon 2 Bundle - $299
Arms Bundle - $299

Then a price cut by November with new bundles
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Bundle - $250
Smash Bros Deluxe Bundle - $250

I think it's nuts to suggest a bundle *and* a price drop. One or the other, sure. But you're suggesting $100+ drop. That's too much.

 

[Peltz]

I really love the attach rate of Zelda being so high. Hopefully, this sends a message to Nintendo that people don't mind playing hard games.

 

[Neff]

I really love the attach rate of Zelda being so high. Hopefully, this sends a message to Nintendo that people don't mind playing hard games.

Between Champion's Road, Wind Waker HD's Hero Mode, and Wii U's penchant for character action games, I'm pretty sure they figured that out already.

 

[Peltz]

I just had a coworker who doesn't even like games asking about the Switch and telling me she's thinking of grabbing one. She wanted to know what games are available and how much it costs.

I'm pretty shocked by that. The Switch may have some serious mainstream appeal if Nintendo keeps up the advertising and nails home MK8 with their messaging.

 

[guek]

For those saying no chance of price drop and bundle by fall.

PS4 had bundles within its first year. I remember picking infamous and PS4 for the normal retail price of a PS4 on its own.

I'm actually expecting Arms and Splatoon 2 Bundles for July (when Splatoon 2 releases).
Splatoon 2 Bundle - $299
Arms Bundle - $299

Then a price cut by November with new bundles
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Bundle - $250
Smash Bros Deluxe Bundle - $250

I don't know why people keep bringing up the possibility of a price cut this year. The Switch would have to collapse worse than the 3DS did after launch for that to happen, and while it's possible, it's not especially likely.

 

[RaffAO]

I can't remember what any of the Wii U launch games were except Funky Barn.

 

[krumble]

I think it's nuts to suggest a bundle *and* a price drop. One or the other, sure. But you're suggesting $100+ drop. That's too much.

But he wants it

I also picked up an infamous bundle a year after launch, like he mentioned

Maybe Nintendo will throw people a bone and bundle 12 Switch at Xmas ... can't see any big name bundles on its first holiday - depending how aggressive Sony & Microsoft are...

 

[tolkir]

WTF, it seems that it's the fastest selling console ever in Spain with 45k units, 8k more than the ps4 in the same time frame.

wtf? But if Spain is 'pley' territory. Zelda is a truly system-seller.

 

[Lovely Salsa]

https://www.enternity.gr/Article/Bl...κό-ξεκίνημα-για-το-Nintendo-Switch/40943.html

Greek article for sales in Greece.

Some key points:

- 4 digit sales, much more than 1.000 units, til Tuesday.
- Day one sales 2,5 times those of 3DS
- Almost 1:1 Zelda attach rate.
- Limited editions sold out. (personal note: according to kostovolos website, there are still some available)
- Second best selling game 1 2 Switch at 20%
- Sales continued strong on Monday
- 1/3 buyers also bought the official case, 20% bought a pro controller

How are you greeks able to afford this?

 

[Skittzo0413]

I don't know why people keep bringing up the possibility of a price cut this year. The Switch would have to collapse worse than the 3DS did after launch for that to happen, and while it's possible, it's not especially likely.

I could see a temporary holiday price cut like the black Friday new 3DS depending on how well it sells throughout the year.

 

[ramparter]

How are you greeks able to afford this?

???

PS4 had sold more than 200.000 by the end of 2014 for reference.

 

[KAL2006]

Why has EVERYTHING got to be compared to the PS4 all the time??

Jesus.

Because it's a successful console. And Don't had a ton of bundles within the first year.

 

[KAL2006]

I don't know why people keep bringing up the possibility of a price cut this year. The Switch would have to collapse worse than the 3DS did after launch for that to happen, and while it's possible, it's not especially likely.

I expect Switch sales to drop off quickly at the current price