They didn't. Its been changed in the patch. Still doesn't look great, but the "noot noot" thing is much reduced.
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Mass Effect Andromeda Graphical Downgrade
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They didn't. Its been changed in the patch. Still doesn't look great, but the "noot noot" thing is much reduced.
This is so jarring and creepy. Different lighting in these two shots and the eyes resemble stickers.
It's the eyes. The shader at work makes it look far too flat in context of its surrounding. Unlike the Horizon screenshot, here, the Iris and Sclera seem to have the same albedo.
Some presumptuous, self-righteous high horsing going on here.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Jesus, why do they all look like shit. Massive shit.
Inferno313
Banned
My point was that downgrades are normal, not necessarily guaranteed to happen every time.
Posting "b-b-b-but what about this one game that didn't have a downgrade" isn't a strong rebuttal.
Dictator93
Member
The eye shading is just so wrong in ME:A, even if one were to concede they were going for "stylised graphics" (which they were not). I wonder how they got that wrong given how it is usually agreed upon the largest and greatest step to crossing the uncanny valley and looking correct.
People tend to look at people in the eyes when they talk. And in a game that has so much talking they did not even get anywhere near close to how light interacts with eyes. In fact, the eyes in MEA generally look to have the exact same type of (incorrect, mind you) shading across the entire surface. When in fact all of the many eyes sub components have very distint and important reactions to light.
In base CryEngine (Lumberyard) for example:
The thing is, frostbite should have a tool chain and shader set up for eye shading given all their other games. Why and how did Bioware not utilise that correctly?
People tend to look at people in the eyes when they talk. And in a game that has so much talking they did not even get anywhere near close to how light interacts with eyes. In fact, the eyes in MEA generally look to have the exact same type of (incorrect, mind you) shading across the entire surface. When in fact all of the many eyes sub components have very distint and important reactions to light.
In base CryEngine (Lumberyard) for example:
The thing is, frostbite should have a tool chain and shader set up for eye shading given all their other games. Why and how did Bioware not utilise that correctly?
Wait, they acknowledged this and said it's being fixed in a patch? I didn't see anything like that. You have a link?
I'm referring to the default female model that has no makeup on whose facial feature are actually pretty darn accurate and the comments on it next to a modeling professional shot that has both makeup work and Photoshop work on it.
Perhaps I should have added that context
The models (hair wise) and skin textures (material wise) aren't great, but no...those don't have much makeup. Some possible lipstick there, and a couple with a tiny bit of eyeshadow it looks like. Almost every single one lacks any significant makeup work. (whether it's even an option or not)
Found this when looking for additional Pro version details. I don't recall this being discussed.
FP16 showing meaningful improvements?
http://gamingbolt.com/mass-effect-a...kerboard-rendering-30-improvement-due-to-fp16
FP16 showing meaningful improvements?
http://gamingbolt.com/mass-effect-a...kerboard-rendering-30-improvement-due-to-fp16
I wonder if devs shouldn't take notes from Disney/Pixar when it comes to face work. I think the realistic environments but cartoony looking faces work pretty well for their movies, I think it could work for games too.
Maybe it could really help with the uncanny valley effect we've been experiencing and help bring the characters to life. I think cgi movie makers have abandoned trying to make life like faces for the time being.
Maybe it could really help with the uncanny valley effect we've been experiencing and help bring the characters to life. I think cgi movie makers have abandoned trying to make life like faces for the time being.
Wait...lip stick and eye shadow aren't makeup?
Also how can one objectively state a virtual character has makeup or not. It's either the artists intent or not. If the presence of lipstick and eye shadow is detected by the casual viewer, then clearly there is artistic intent of makeup.
I take the point that the model for FemRyder looks gussied up in that photo shoot (and malnourished). And that seeking such a result would be trying to attain an ideal (someones ideal at any rate). However the general point, that it would require photoshoping to achieve her results, is also fruitless because effectively the game is photoshop, in the sense that both are not real.
Also how can one objectively state a virtual character has makeup or not. It's either the artists intent or not. If the presence of lipstick and eye shadow is detected by the casual viewer, then clearly there is artistic intent of makeup.
I take the point that the model for FemRyder looks gussied up in that photo shoot (and malnourished). And that seeking such a result would be trying to attain an ideal (someones ideal at any rate). However the general point, that it would require photoshoping to achieve her results, is also fruitless because effectively the game is photoshop, in the sense that both are not real.
I don't know if they've acknowledged it, but looking at the more recent streams of that point in the story it doesn't look so bad to me
http://imgur.com/OBOlwJI
Here's the same point as that gif, you can check if I'm hallucinating.
Dictator93
Member
That is too generous to say 30%. Rather, one step of the checkerboarding process ran 30% faster when moved over to FP16 as is stated in the GDC presentation.
The Artisan
Member
New engine and new team, they're just reusing the same animations from ME1-3 apparently. I just saw the famous cross-arms-lean-back pose by Ryder and the lean-back on left-leg-with-hanging-arms.
That animation bug you see is also replicated in ME3 if you reload between holstered and non-holstered weaponry.
This happens in a world where CDPR creates 7000 new animations just for Blood and Wine in a year.
Latest
Christ on a cracker! A face only a mother could love.
martino
Member
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Still looks bad. The animation is limited to the bottom half of the face and the top half is static.
Noisepurge
Member
Very true. I'm playing through Horizon Zero Dawn right now and one thing that's immediately apparent is that someone over there recognized that eyes are the absolute most important thing to get right. Pretty much every character has incredible, distinct eyes with real depth and character. You can forgive a lot else when the eyes are done so well.
edit: I see Horizon's been brought up several times, with good reason too.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Looks good until they start talking. The lip movement is comical.
cripterion
Member
Normal to whom? If you don't show your hand early there's nothing to "downgrade". I could give you plenty of other examples but let's agree to disagree.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
I thought the new femshep looked fuckin ridiculous in the initial reveal...
now? good god man ... someone's getting fired. I wouldn't play as that freakshow for 5 minutes let alone a 50 hour game. Good lord...
now? good god man ... someone's getting fired. I wouldn't play as that freakshow for 5 minutes let alone a 50 hour game. Good lord...
New engine and new team, they're just reusing the same animations from ME1-3 apparently. I just saw the famous cross-arms-lean-back pose by Ryder and the lean-back on left-leg-with-hanging-arms.
That animation bug you see is also replicated in ME3 if you reload between holstered and non-holstered weaponry.
This is extremely disappointing considering the game was in development since 2012. I mean, what exactly were the animators doing for the last 5 years?
Spartancarver
Member
Holy shit lol
I mean...
lol wow... non-existent preorder cancelled.
Hesemonni
Banned
Damn you. I have bronchitis and it hurts to laugh. I'm about to die here.
Well that makes sense. But it also shows that there's possibility to improve Frostbite animations.
Although how reasonable it is to expect it in such large a game as ME:A is a different question entirely.
Spartancarver
Member
I mean...
This is better than 343i putting the ship flying backwards in one of the MCC cutscenes
Cyborg
Member
Whahah wtf
The eyes objectively don't. Unless your confused about which one's newer.
Slackbladder
Member
Eyes are worse though. Too white and flat or something. My only real complaint of how characters look. As for animations well, yeah. A couple of nice new ones but too much oddness and facial in particular is just a bit basic. I don't really mind that much. I just wish it had been better.
cripterion
Member
that's...something lol
At a guess, the 2 "default" faces were made using more powerful sculpting tools than what was given to the player in the game. Coincidentally, you also cannot edit the 2 face options used for the default faces seen in marketing.
veloxStrix
Banned
I've went from maximum hype to maximum "at least other good games came out recently" with this approach to release. Everything they've announced so far (barring the non-Character art) has just bummed me out.
Not that the downgrade is really all that controversial. They happen. It's just how game development works at this point. But seeing that alternate timeline where the characters don't look like badly made puppets hurts.
Not that the downgrade is really all that controversial. They happen. It's just how game development works at this point. But seeing that alternate timeline where the characters don't look like badly made puppets hurts.
Basketball
Member
guise please stop shaming the faces of these fictional females in ME: A
it's not like this game has romance or anything and definitely not sex scenes
it's not like this game has romance or anything and definitely not sex scenes
Inferno313
Banned
A normal part of game development.
I agree that games probably shouldn't be shown before they're ready and am in favor of shorter marketing cycles in general, but that's usually the fault of the publisher, not the developer.
Trickster
Member
Christ. Bioware seriously, I want to love the game, I've taken time off work to play it. But your animation team really seems to have gone out of their way to put a dampener on my excitement
I don't understand how, for a massive company with hundreds of employees, that they can let these things slide. I mean who thought this looked "okay"?
