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I'm down for voting swamped as well. She's on my reads list as possible scum, but so is Burb. I'm willing to vote for either one. If Swamped flips mafia I have a hunch on who to go with next.
 

franconp

Member
Also if Splinter got a post restriction this would be the third item that has been given?

WAMD said she got a banana N1, Blarg got the chocolate thing N2 and now Splinter seems to got something last night. Did anyone got anything N3?

Persona had an item sender who was a neutral, he exited the game after he send a number of items. If this is something similar we may be close to miss another player. This is something to be worried at this point.
 
Also if Splinter got a post restriction this would be the third item that has been given?

WAMD said she got a banana N1, Blarg got the chocolate thing N2 and now Splinter seems to got something last night. Did anyone got anything N3?

Persona had an item sender who was a neutral, he exited the game after he send a number of items. If this is something similar we may be close to miss another player. This is something to be worried at this point.

Yup, I believe if I remember correctly I was a neutral item giver in Harry Potter.
 

CCS

Banned
Why do you scum read WAMD and Stan again?

Both are partially gut reads, partially the fact that a lot of what they're saying seems to be on easy targets rather than anything more substantial/risky. Examples there is they both seemed to be behind the "scum acohrs/CCS" argument when it was very popular.
 

franconp

Member
Both are partially gut reads, partially the fact that a lot of what they're saying seems to be on easy targets rather than anything more substantial/risky. Examples there is they both seemed to be behind the "scum acohrs/CCS" argument when it was very popular.

CCS what do you think of Burb? I'm not feeling well about him but I would love to hear more points of view.
 

CCS

Banned
CCS what do you think of Burb? I'm not feeling well about him but I would love to hear more points of view.

I've been lightly suspicious of him for a while, but actually getting less suspicious as he's gone from posting a reasonable number of low content posts to just not posting very much at all. Given what he's said about irl, that seems believable.

Quick summary of my views:

Town:
Splinter
Faddy

Slight town:
Swamped
Gorlak
Kyan

Null:
Burb
Kawl (his low activity/contribution also concerns me, but has offered irl explanation)
Fran

Slight scum:
FEP (again low activity plus a bit of a gut feeling)
Stan

Scum:
TWE
WAMD
 
This is honestly my normal activity level unless I'm co-authoring law novels. I'll get with it tomorrow and throw out some real reads. Like i said, busy today.
 

franconp

Member
This is honestly my normal activity level unless I'm co-authoring law novels. I'll get with it tomorrow and throw out some real reads. Like i said, busy today.

That's ok. I'm mostly worried about the lack of reads I've got from you. You gave a couple of reads in day 2 and in day 3 but the rest are mostly tunneled on acohrs.

We have already done this: How about another round of reads? I will give you three names, you give me your reads and then you ask me three. I want to know what's on your mind with about some players. You can do it when you have time.

I would like to hear from you about Splinter, Kawl and Swamped. If you want to add any more reads you are welcomed.
 
DAY 5 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Burbeting (2)
TheWorthyEdge 3257
StanleyPalmtree 3263

Swamped (1)
Faddy 3292

No active vote for Day 5: *Splinter, Burbeting, CCS, flatearthpandas, franconp, Gorlak, Kawl_USC, Kyanrute, Swamped, WhereAreMahDragonz


Day 5 ends:
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Automated vote tally here

7 votes for majority

Note: lulz votes for dead people have been excluded.
 

franconp

Member
I think if we killed Swamped today her death may be able to tell us more than Burb's if she flips scum. So:

VOTE: Swamped [/higlight]

Are you voting Swamped to gain info or because you think she is scum?

Because making a vote to gain info, I think it's the wrong mindset at this point. We are at day 5 and we still haven't caught a single scum (Blarg doesn't count, he practically suicided himself). We need to catch scum quick or we will be in a lot of trouble. It's not the time to worry about connections. It's time to catch one scum.
 

acohrs

Member
well, shit.

so first off, sorry about missing day end, thought i would be awake for it, turns out satying up stupidly late to ramble about samurai jack makes it hard to wake up early.

anyway.

vote: achors

can this happen already?

i misspelt it again didnt i.

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vote: acohrs

Vote: Acohrs

Was going to do this anyway, but Stan made it better. Also, i really laughed when i saw his flip. Trying to earn that heater told for gafia 4 i guess

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Swamped

Banned
I'm out all day today guys, but I'll make a vote tomorrow morning. Lynching me today will make it much harder for town to win. I am telling the truth about my claim. It's unfortunate that we played ourselves into a hole.

I have a feeling that scum is among the people we haven't looked at much, or who have never been in the vote running. It's difficult to use the votes too because most days were town/town.

i want to believe Splinter and Faddy. That leaves Burb, Dragonz, Fran, Kyan, CCS, FEP, Gorlak, TWE, Kawl and Stan.

I think Burb is the safe choice, although he might be the poisoner. Fran, Kyan and Gorlak i was leaning town on, but I'm going to revisit Kyan and Fran. I do remember some Kyan posts in which he seemed very excited about role-claims. But i also remember his aggressiveness towards Vere, and i that interaction made me feel like Kyan was town especially after Vere flipped. I'm pretty sure Gorlak is town. I really want to hear from Kawl as he is scum reading Gorlak.

I think Stan would also be a good vote. I'm looking among coasters, and he's done a good job of sticking his head down without bringing much new to the table.

I am unsure that TWE lynch is the right move... I feel like he's town.

I DO think that if we lynch scum today, the others will be easy to find. So all is not lost.
 

Gorlak

Banned
We've been on the wrong tracks the whole game. Dragonz is the only one I found to have a tangable connection to scum Blarg. I wanted to see her lynched yesterday and nobody cared. The very least everyone can do is to give his/her stance on Dragonz!

I may as well call out Kyan here! What is your opinion of her? You surely have the most experience regarding playing with her. You're history together should help evaluate her.
 

franconp

Member
We've been on the wrong tracks the whole game. Dragonz is the only one I found to have a tangable connection to scum Blarg. I wanted to see her lynched yesterday and nobody cared. The very least everyone can do is to give his/her stance on Dragonz!

I may as well call out Kyan here! What is your opinion of her? You surely have the most experience regarding playing with her. You're history together should help evaluate her.

The whole tangable connection is a joke answer. She may be scum (her coasting the first couple of days was raising red flags for me, the last couple of days she seems more interested in the game) but taking any answer for a question like "are you scum?" is not likely a tangable connection. If you look at Blargs post he had a really long shitposting conversation with Kyan, there's something with Sorian (townie) and with Bronx (townie). And I think he talked several times with Swamped. I don't find the connection between WAMD and Blarg that strong. I'm slighty leaning town with Dragonz.

What's your opinion on Burb and TWE? I'm leaning scum with both of them.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Splinter at this point we're basically forced to give you good will because it's possible you'll claim blocked till the end, if I judge the situation right? You cleared Faddy and that would be two persons off everyone's list.

It's clearly possible scum tries to take this to their advantage and let you two survive on purpose, but we simply don't know. This is a typical mafia decision, when you either decide to believe someone and lose or win.

At the very least I need to evaluate your reasons for coming forward and your targets. You covered these earlier, I'll reread.

N1 blocked, tried Verelios.
N2 green check Faddy.
N3 ?
N4 blocked.

You claim you have no other share worthy information?

Why did you neither target Crab or swamped?
 
Are you voting Swamped to gain info or because you think she is scum?

Because making a vote to gain info, I think it's the wrong mindset at this point. We are at day 5 and we still haven't caught a single scum (Blarg doesn't count, he practically suicided himself). We need to catch scum quick or we will be in a lot of trouble. It's not the time to worry about connections. It's time to catch one scum.

I think she's scum and if lynched will provide for some good information.
 

Gorlak

Banned
The whole tangable connection is a joke answer. She may be scum (her coasting the first couple of days was raising red flags for me, the last couple of days she seems more interested in the game) but taking any answer for a question like "are you scum?" is not likely a tangable connection. If you look at Blargs post he had a really long shitposting conversation with Kyan, there's something with Sorian (townie) and with Bronx (townie). And I think he talked several times with Swamped. I don't find the connection between WAMD and Blarg that strong. I'm slighty leaning town with Dragonz.

No, it's more. Look at her reaction to my first accusation of her. It's the longest post she made the entire game and she swerves to how meta arguments aren't valid. You're right, she was coasting and just after the first heat came her way she's surprisingly a bit more active. She made a posts directed at Sorian that was with faulty logic. She also threw around a line yesterday or the day before that was about suspicious people but she "didn't want to say names", which was odd.
 

Gorlak

Banned
What's your opinion on Burb and TWE? I'm leaning scum with both of them.

Burb hides. He only ever comes out twice a day, posts a bit to appear active and vanishes. With his new "should've dropped out of the game" excuse he just raised another flag. He has shown some weird actions, like beginning of D2 Kalor vote or today warning us of a supposed lylo. I'm getting a neutral vibe, who's coasting to survive and not get attention from town or scum. I don't remember him to have taken hard stances on anyone, if he did please show me.

TWE on the other hand has been non-existent until he was getting heat. He's got a bad vote record and a weak reason for his Crab lynch D2. His read list yesterday, the correction of that and his switch to and fro Sorian are conspicious. His defense earlier gave me slight town vibes, but I'm not so sure about this anymore. He also pulled the "kill me, but it won't help" shtick, but nearly everyone who was lynched did this so far. I'll have to take a look at his earlier reads of Sorian and if his vote movements yesterday seem logical to me.
 

franconp

Member
No, it's more. Look at her reaction to my first accusation of her. It's the longest post she made the entire game and she swerves to how meta arguments aren't valid. You're right, she was coasting and just after the first heat came her way she's surprisingly a bit more active. She made a posts directed at Sorian that was with faulty logic. She also threw around a line yesterday or the day before that was about suspicious people but she "didn't want to say names", which was odd.

Well, I have to agree with her about the meta arguments. I have already discussed this in a review thread from another game but I think that players are taking meta as more important that it really is. Considering meta as an actual read instead of looking for contradictions and proding people to look for reactions is a mistake. Meta is past reactions, but people change depending of the situations. Nobody plays 2 games the same as the game never are the same themselves. If all the game were alike this would be boring. A good example is Sorian. I was really worried about Acohrs saying that Sorian could be scum because he is usually killed day 1. That's meta. But scum know the same so they could let him live and make town kill him. That's scum using meta at their advantage. I like to prod people and see how they react. I like to ask questions and see what people think about another. That's getting reads from this actual game.

I will look at the post about Sorian as I seem to miss it (or at least I can remember about it right now).

The "suspicious people" is a red flag. We haven't caught at least one scum yet. It's not a time to keep thing to ourselves. If you have doubts share it with the rest so others can see a new side that they may have missed before.
 

franconp

Member
Splinter at this point we're basically forced to give you good will because it's possible you'll claim blocked till the end, if I judge the situation right? You cleared Faddy and that would be two persons off everyone's list.

It's clearly possible scum tries to take this to their advantage and let you two survive on purpose, but we simply don't know. This is a typical mafia decision, when you either decide to believe someone and lose or win.

At the very least I need to evaluate your reasons for coming forward and your targets. You covered these earlier, I'll reread.

N1 blocked, tried Verelios.
N2 green check Faddy.
N3 ?
N4 blocked.

You claim you have no other share worthy information?

Why did you neither target Crab or swamped?

I would love to hear about this as well. At this point Splinter claim is really weak. I also find strange that he was roleblocked the first day and he decided to claim anyway with only a green check. If he knew that there was a roleblocker in the game he should have keep it to himself to avoid being targeted by him. He could have thought that the roleblocker was townie but it's a 50/50 chance. Too much of a risk for a simple green check. I findinf it hard to believe.
 
Burb hides. He only ever comes out twice a day, posts a bit to appear active and vanishes. With his new "should've dropped out of the game" excuse he just raised another flag. He has shown some weird actions, like beginning of D2 Kalor vote or today warning us of a supposed lylo. I'm getting a neutral vibe, who's coasting to survive and not get attention from town or scum. I don't remember him to have taken hard stances on anyone, if he did please show me.

TWE on the other hand has been non-existent until he was getting heat. He's got a bad vote record and a weak reason for his Crab lynch D2. His read list yesterday, the correction of that and his switch to and fro Sorian are conspicious. His defense earlier gave me slight town vibes, but I'm not so sure about this anymore. He also pulled the "kill me, but it won't help" shtick, but nearly everyone who was lynched did this so far. I'll have to take a look at his earlier reads of Sorian and if his vote movements yesterday seem logical to me.

I disagree that I was non-existent until I was getting heat. I got into the game when real life allowed me too, and said some things which then brought the heat.

One of the main reasons I don't want to vote Burb is the fact that real life is getting in the way of his play, but if push comes to shove then I'll vote him.
 

franconp

Member
I disagree that I was non-existent until I was getting heat. I got into the game when real life allowed me too, and said some things which then brought the heat.

One of the main reasons I don't want to vote Burb is the fact that real life is getting in the way of his play, but if push comes to shove then I'll vote him.

I tried to prod you a couple of times but you went out of your way to avoid having a discussion. I find that really scummy.

I'm going to be honest: you are at the top of my scum list and I want to vote your you today. But also, if Burb doesn't give us any reads or insight about the game I will vote for him instead. I really don't feel comfortable having a blank spot so late in the game.
 

CCS

Banned
There are definitely higher priority targets for me than Splinter and I'm inclined to lean towards believing him, but maintaining a degree of healthy suspicion towards him is a good thing I think. Ditto Faddy.
 

Faddy

Banned
There are definitely higher priority targets for me than Splinter and I'm inclined to lean towards believing him, but maintaining a degree of healthy suspicion towards him is a good thing I think. Ditto Faddy.

With Splinter expressing doubts about Swamped and you having her on your town list. I was already thinking Swamped was town maybe we shouldn't lynch her

UNVOTE

I'm going to take LPs read to heart and go read every Blarg post and see who he didn't interact with.
 

franconp

Member
With Splinter expressing doubts about Swamped and you having her on your town list. I was already thinking Swamped was town maybe we shouldn't lynch her

UNVOTE

I'm going to take LPs read to heart and go read every Blarg post and see who he didn't interact with.

If you were thinking Swamped is town, why did you vote for her?
 

Faddy

Banned
If you were thinking Swamped is town, why did you vote for her?

Hi fran. Have you seen how much I have been wrong.

Also in my re-read of all of Blarg's interactions you are distinctly absent in his probing despite you being quite active on Day 1.
 
Hm...kind of inclined to believe Swamped to be honest.

I'm going to look back on some things but I feel there could be scum in a list of:

Franconp
CCS
Burb
 
I am being a bit all over the place to be honest and I understand that that may "look" bad, but I feel it makes more sense to be all over the place if you're town. If you are scum you know who town is and you go at them hard throughout the whole game. You stick to a couple people.

VOTE: Franconp

The main person who has been complaining about me being all over the place.
 

franconp

Member
Hi fran. Have you seen how much I have been wrong.

Also in my re-read of all of Blarg's interactions you are distinctly absent in his probing despite you being quite active on Day 1.

1- That's not a good answer.

2- Maybe because all day 1 of Blarg is pure shitposting. I hardly shitpost. Also it's my first time playing with Blarg (really second but he posted 5 times while we shared the game). I asked a serious question day 2 and his answer was half a joke - half real. At a certain point I stopped trying to look for hidden meaning and wait if someone could get something out of him.
 

franconp

Member
I am being a bit all over the place to be honest and I understand that that may "look" bad, but I feel it makes more sense to be all over the place if you're town. If you are scum you know who town is and you go at them hard throughout the whole game. You stick to a couple people.

VOTE: Franconp

The main person who has been complaining about me being all over the place.

So, you are playing scummy and I'm scum because I'm on your case.

OMGUS. OK.

And no, if you are lost you prod people until someone make a contradiction. Thanks your doing a classic example in that post.
 
I've been lightly suspicious of him for a while, but actually getting less suspicious as he's gone from posting a reasonable number of low content posts to just not posting very much at all. Given what he's said about irl, that seems believable.

Quick summary of my views:

Town:
Splinter
Faddy

Slight town:
Swamped
Gorlak
Kyan

Null:
Burb
Kawl (his low activity/contribution also concerns me, but has offered irl explanation)
Fran

Slight scum:
FEP (again low activity plus a bit of a gut feeling)
Stan

Scum:
TWE
WAMD

Bolded is who I think the scum team consists of + CCS + Blarg. If there's less than 6 than I think the people that aren't are WAMD and FEP.

Just a hunch. Really hope Splinter is town though because that would screwup a lot.
 

franconp

Member
Woah quite defensive for only having one vote on you.

It's the truth. Your vote has no argument. I have more than 150 post and your vote is based in how scummy you are playing. If that's the best you can do I have to call it OMGUS and move on.

Look back at my post, bring a good argument for your post and we can have a discussion.
 
I tried to prod you a couple of times but you went out of your way to avoid having a discussion. I find that really scummy.

I'm going to be honest: you are at the top of my scum list and I want to vote your you today. But also, if Burb doesn't give us any reads or insight about the game I will vote for him instead. I really don't feel comfortable having a blank spot so late in the game.

B1.) Show me where this happened and how I went "out of my way" to avoid discussion.
B2.) Then vote me. If you're actually town and you have me at the top of your scum list then vote for me. If I had anyone on the top of my scum list? You better believe I would've voted them @ day start.
B3.) There are a lot, so why Burb?
 

franconp

Member
B1.) Show me where this happened and how I went "out of my way" to avoid discussion.
B2.) Then vote me. If you're actually town and you have me at the top of your scum list then vote for me. If I had anyone on the top of my scum list? You better believe I would've voted them @ day start.
B3.) There are a lot, so why Burb?

B1-

I'm not feeling good about this post. It looks really fake. It's just making weak excuses based on his own meta: "when I was scum I was more active, so I can't be scum". That is not how it works. At all.

I didn't write it to make you feel good about it lol

Your reads and opinions seems really weak (a lot of low activity. Not much proding). Not mine of you.

I'm not here to prod.

B2- Look at all the days. I usually don't vote at game start. Even more now when the mayority is low and a couple of votes could make easier for scum to make a wagon.

B3- I know I said that I don't like meta and this will kinda meta but I've played several games with Burb and he usually don't play like this. He use to make big post with a lot of analysis and quotes. There are none here. People are saying "Burb may be town because scum Burb wouldn't play like this", well town Burb either.
 

Faddy

Banned
May as well do my reads list

Town reads in order of confidence
Splinter
CCS
Swamped
TWE
Gorlak
Kyan

Scum in order of confidence
Kawl
Fran
Stanley
FEP
Burb
WAMD


Now how many scum are there? I think 3 and 1 still has bulletproof (maybe? did Blarg use it up with 2 infractions idk)
 
May as well do my reads list

Town reads in order of confidence
Splinter
CCS
Swamped
TWE
Gorlak
Kyan

Scum in order of confidence
Kawl
Fran
Stanley
FEP
Burb
WAMD


Now how many scum are there? I think 3 and 1 still has bulletproof (maybe? did Blarg use it up with 2 infractions idk)

What? Why do you know for sure there's a BP in this game?
 

Kyanrute

Member
yawn

bronx was a ez scum kill because he could've not been protected so it was just about whether or not scum trusted his claim.

nobody is claiming poison soooo we once again can be entertaining a x-shot scummie and with that it might be possible that the shots have now been used and this thing fades into the nothingness as a pointless topic of discussion.

so if scum have da poison, sorian got vigi'd me thinks. and even if poison still is neutral or something wild i can't see scum saving an additional kill this late. neutral origin possible as well but hard to speculate about what it'd exactly be.

stan does the strange and votes for a dead acorn, burb too had misunderstanding back at the start of d2. both have been doing very little overall. both being scum and doing the same juke seems daring, one being scum possible imo.
 

Kyanrute

Member
We can put to bed all stupid theories about poison being fake. I tend to believe Bronx is indeed poison doctor and is definitely not scum. Almost definitely town. Poison can still be scum or neutral. I would lean neutral at this point but it don't matter.

Grats, Bronx. Put that trust to good use

All of my "theories" are thrown out the window. I believe Bronx 100% now. He's the poison doctor so there's no reason to prod at that anymore.

These two comments still are extremely out of place. Nothing new was revealed that would've confirmed Bronx. Well apart from the one thing both leave out, the fact that nin flipped as town and had no reason to lie about the poison. But that too merely confirms the poison's existence and says nothing about the poison doctor.
 
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