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[CCS]

If I shift my vote, who would be willing to start a wagon on Verelios? Alternatively, if I keep my vote, who would entertain shifting to Faddy?

Actually, let's just test that in action.

VOTE: Verelios

Since I'm scum reading Verelios, I wouldn't mind switching. Will not vote for Faddy.

Reading back pages: Why did you claim ordinary, CCS?

There is literally no benefit from town to claim ordinary. If you are town, you are simply telling scum "don't night kill me, you won't get a power role flip out from me!", which would help scum to get their list of potential PR's tinier.

I wasn't being entirely serious, see the next page

 

[nin1000]

+10 participation points have been awarded to nin. Crab already mentioned this but the context is completely different here. Waiting to hear from you what was your personal situation when you made this post, what did you read, what did you think etc., because the look of the post is not good.

I knew that the swamped / crab situation wad still was a thing but I did not get the feeling that she could be lynched today, hence my comment on saying that I did not agree on that claim.

The claim is fine for the moment ,even thought she should not have said if she used he ability on N1. But who knows maybe she lied and is still able to do it.

 

[Blargonaut]

Anyway, it looks like between Crab and me I'll definitely lose. I can't help but think this is a popularity contest because I honestly don't know what I've done that makes people think I'm scummier than Crab. It's disappointing because I honestly think Crab is scum and I have put a lot of work into showing why. Additionally, he has not done anything to convince me he is town.

I should be around right at 5pm (the deadline) but I can't post much between now and then. I'll be around for some 10 minutes though.

I'm RobotNinjaHornets, the Incontinent. I usually wear an adult diaper, but occasionally I like to go to an actual toilet because the seats are warm and there's a shelf of comics in the cubicle (I want to believe there are Archie comics in there). I can't be targeted when I'm on the toilet. Essentially I am an x-shot commuter. I used my first shot on N1.

interesting, interesting

Your turn, Crabclaim

Reads like typical Sorian to me. Not sure what the point of voting you for is, since I doubt you'll be lynched today.

TY, noted

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

I would be fine with either a CCS or Verelios lynch today.

I believe Swamped's claim. I am starting to lean town on her, but ultimately I think my final verdict will depend on Crab's flip, if and when that happens.

 

[Kyanrute]

I don't mind a Verelios lynch. I don't see that much in his posts, got a better feel about his d1 compared to d2. I could see the Kalor vote being a scum vote, looking to be outside of the main lynches to confuse the vote record. I don't like the balance between questions and opinions in his posts, he tosses a fair amount of questions around what could be scum doing some easy contributions.

Ya'll have a reason to lynch Squidyj btw? I hope so.

This could be a scum joke, a "look at me the townie, knowing better than you who to lynch".

But what pushes him to over the vote barrier is that he, as far as I can see, has not followed through on his day one scum reads. I don't think he has done any real pressuring, no real followup about his reads. I see no scum hunting.

VOTE: Verelios

 

[Burbeting]

My instincts tell me to vote on Kalor, but I worry that I'm just starting to tunnel on him badly. But his vote on me only appeared after LP had voted, almost as if he wanted to make a bandwagon happen.

 

[Blargonaut]

You know, it's funny how you Role-claimed, Swamped, when Crab v. Burbeting was the hot topic du Jour at 3 votes tete a tete 3 votes, to your... 2

What a lack of pressure, hmm?

but I digress

If I shift my vote, who would be willing to start a wagon on Verelios? Alternatively, if I keep my vote, who would entertain shifting to Faddy?

VOTE: Crab

Now I, too, wonder who would be willing to entertain you

aha

 

[Faddy]

Hey franconp and *Splinter!

You were both critical about how I was looking to openly build a coalition of votes. What do you think about Crab's doing it for today's lynch?

And unlike me who targeted specific players, Crab seems to be open to anyone helping him.

 

[Burbeting]

I'll put my vote on Kalor for now, but I'll keep on re-reading the thread.

VOTE: Kalor

 

[nin1000]

might aswell put my vote down early instead of 1 hour or less before the day ends.

Swamped Vs Crab

I believe swamped for now and will go with my gut today.

Vote: Crab

 

[Kyanrute]

acohrs has been quite the ghost I feel. I get nothing out of his posts. He is just there, mostly buddying up with CCS.

TWE too has been rather absent but unlike acorns, he's said some things that I found odd. Wouldn't mind lynching him.

LP and Kalor both show up every now and then and offer a tiny bit of their thoughts. Not enough content / nothing strange enough to make any judgement.

 

[Burbeting]

acohrs has been quite the ghost I feel. I get nothing out of his posts. He is just there, mostly buddying up with CCS.

TWE too has been rather absent but unlike acorns, he's said some things that I found odd. Wouldn't mind lynching him.

LP and Kalor both show up every now and then and offer a tiny bit of their thoughts. Not enough content / nothing strange enough to make any judgement.

They're all coasters (not that I have been much better with my activity at this point). Scum usually benefit from sitting in the background.

I find TWE's vote on Stanley pretty damn odd.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

might aswell put my vote down early instead of 1 hour or less before the day ends.

Swamped Vs Crab

I believe swamped for now and will go with my gut today.

Vote: Crab

Bullshit. Why is it Swamped vs. Crab? We have hours left before deadline. squidy went from 1 vote to Lynch in like 40 minutes yesterday. The game is still incredibly fluid. Why are you constructing two false choices that nobody is necessarily committed to yet? Why are you refusing discussion of Verelios or Faddy?

 

[acohrs]

They're all coasters (not that I have been much better with my activity at this point). Scum usually benefit from sitting in the background.

I find TWE's vote on Stanley pretty damn odd.

I may be sitting, but I'm sitting in the foreground I'll have you know!

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Midterms :/

Usually I'm way more involved...then again every single time I've played except twice (?) I've been scum. So maybe that's part of it?

I'll post some insightful things, or at least look around a bit more at allegations and shot in about an hour.

 

[Kalor]

I'm inclined to believe Swampeds claim for now. A commuter can be an easy role for scum to claim but their play today hasn't been coming across as scum to me.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Bullshit. Why is it Swamped vs. Crab? We have hours left before deadline. squidy went from 1 vote to Lynch in like 40 minutes yesterday.

And you don't see the problem with this?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

And you don't see the problem with this?

There's a significant difference between 40 minutes and 6 hours. The point is that things can change an enormous amount in those 40 minutes let alone this 6 hours. nin trying to declare this Swamped vs. Crab day is just scummy as you get.

 

[*Splinter]

Finally found that Swamped/Verelios conversation I keep referencing. It starts here, and it's way less interesting than I remembered :/

 

[*Splinter]

Hey franconp and *Splinter!

You were both critical about how I was looking to openly build a coalition of votes. What do you think about Crab's doing it for today's lynch?

And unlike me who targeted specific players, Crab seems to be open to anyone helping him.

I don't know he would do that instead of just voting (although he did that after anyway), but it's not as bad since he wasn't trying to create links between himself and other specific players.

 

[Faddy]

I don't know he would do that instead of just voting (although he did that after anyway), but it's not as bad since he wasn't trying to create links between himself and other specific players.

Can you explain the bolded part to me.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Don't like Burb right now. Minor play coaching is not really better than theorizing and that's all I'm seeing. No real content, just this is a bad play because x. So disingenuous. Still feel worse about acorns. Going in there but at this hour I'm unlikely to make day end as much as i love that chaos.

 

[nin1000]

Bullshit. Why is it Swamped vs. Crab? We have hours left before deadline. squidy went from 1 vote to Lynch in like 40 minutes yesterday. The game is still incredibly fluid. Why are you constructing two false choices that nobody is necessarily committed to yet? Why are you refusing discussion of Verelios or Faddy?

I am not refusing it crab, i just made my choice.

 

[Ourobolus]

Day 2 Votes

bronx-man (0)
sorian 1372 (1431)
crab 1490 (1675)
wherearemahdragonz 1536 (1811)

kalor (1)
burbeting 1384 (1399)
burbeting 2009

crab (5)
faddy 1426 (1519)
bronx-man 1452
swamped 1454
nin1000 1467 (1597)
faddy 1519
ccs 1520 (1796)
blargonaut 2007
nin1000 2010

swamped (2)
sorian 1431 (1924)
lone_prodigy 1624 (1867)
kawl_usc 1744
blargonaut 1746 (1802)
ccs 1796 (1799)
*splinter 1936

lone_prodigy (0)
acohrs 1482 (1916)

stanleypalmtree (1)
theworthyedge 1703

faddy (1)
crab 1718 (1991)
franconp 1914

verelios (2)
ccs 1799 (1851)
crab 1991
kyanrute 2005

ccs (2)
wherearemahdragonz 1811
stanleypalmtree 1913

kyanrute (0)
gorlak 1832 (1885)

wherearemahdragonz (1)
ccs 1851

burbeting (2)
lone_prodigy 1867
kalor 1876
blargonaut 1901 (2007)

acohrs (1)
flatearthpandas 1895

blargonaut (1)
sorian 1924

Majority is 12.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Surprised and not surprised by Natiko's death. Surprised, because I thought scum would eliminate Sorian as the main town thinker. Not surprised, because I thought scum would target one of town's main thinkers. Everyone just stop discussing stuff and we will all be safe, right?? In all seriousness though, I'm not sure Natiko was targeted because of his reads and more because he was facilitating discussion that could eventually lead to scum being caught. This is a trend that scum has taken in most games I've been in, stifle discussion, divide and conquer.

Catching up on comments since daystart atm

Just a quick thought, is persisting with a Crab or Swamped lynch today going to solve much? Squidy turned out to be town, maybe we need to look in a new direction for scum.

Both of these just screamed scum to me. So fucking fake. Scum doesn't target n1 because of sick reads. They target middle ground active that no one is likely to protect or low key power role claims that they think most people missed. This is the advantage of Scum in that only one needs to notice something for all of scum to know about it. Positing theories on d1 nk is a waste of everyone's time. Yes, it's not uncommon for people to post dumb theories on d1nk and I'm certainly not saying acorns is a player i expect to be more savvy but his reasoning send so fake all my alarm bells started screaming.

He does no favours whatsoever with the follow-up. Hey, we ml'd yesterday, so probably none of our suspicions yesterday were any good. What in the fuck. So fake. So goddamn fake. Works or a faker. There's been suspicions over the acorn ccs pairing and i really don't have any feelings about that but if we really think there's scum on the i put all my money on acorns. Dude is not playing for real. Not total shit posting. Trying to phone in some town points but didn't realize that he doesn't know how to use the phone. "Hello, fellow students. It's me, a perfectly normal student with normal student reactions."

 

[franconp]

Hey franconp and *Splinter!

You were both critical about how I was looking to openly build a coalition of votes. What do you think about Crab's doing it for today's lynch?

And unlike me who targeted specific players, Crab seems to be open to anyone helping him.

I don't like it either, but you know there is a difference between what Crab did and what you did?

Crab offered 2 targets he wants to lynch and said he would be willing to vote either of them. That's similar to give scum reads.

You tied your vote to other players vote. You said that you voted squidy because Natiko did it. You let other people decide how you vote.

There's a slight difference between both actions.

I don't like what Crab did, and he lost town point in my end, but I disliked yours even more.

 

[franconp]

Midterms :/

Usually I'm way more involved...then again every single time I've played except twice (?) I've been scum. So maybe that's part of it?

I'll post some insightful things, or at least look around a bit more at allegations and shot in about an hour.

I'm not feeling good about this post. It looks really fake. It's just making weak excuses based on his own meta: "when I was scum I was more active, so I can't be scum". That is not how it works. At all.

 

[CCS]

My strongest scum reads are Vere and WAMD, and WAMD isn't getting any traction so:

VOTE: Verelios

 

[acohrs]

Both of these just screamed scum to me. So fucking fake. Scum doesn't target n1 because of sick reads. They target middle ground active that no one is likely to protect or low key power role claims that they think most people missed. This is the advantage of Scum in that only one needs to notice something for all of scum to know about it. Positing theories on d1 nk is a waste of everyone's time. Yes, it's not uncommon for people to post dumb theories on d1nk and I'm certainly not saying acorns is a player i expect to be more savvy but his reasoning send so fake all my alarm bells started screaming.

He does no favours whatsoever with the follow-up. Hey, we ml'd yesterday, so probably none of our suspicions yesterday were any good. What in the fuck. So fake. So goddamn fake. Works or a faker. There's been suspicions over the acorn ccs pairing and i really don't have any feelings about that but if we really think there's scum on the i put all my money on acorns. Dude is not playing for real. Not total shit posting. Trying to phone in some town points but didn't realize that he doesn't know how to use the phone. "Hello, fellow students. It's me, a perfectly normal student with normal student reactions."

Also, if I'm not playing, what are you doing then?

 

[Swamped]

This is dumb Crab.

I couldn't stop thinking about my post since I left. I'm really sorry I snapped Crab.

Swamped, why did you use a shot on n1?

Well while I'm here may as well answer. When I have an x-shot power I like to use it early in the game because you don't know if you'll survive the night.

I still haven't had a chance to look at Verelios in detail, but I get the suspicion. I'm sticking with my vote though.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Some thoughts from early day 2.

Sorian opens asking if we could do a lynch that makes sense listing off Bronx, swamped, faddy, inactives. So this tells me that he was frustrated at the squidy lynch sure, but we have a full day to play before we break. What is a smart or dumb lynch will change. As shown by sorian currently voting blarg.... so that doesn't read great for sorian to start.

CCS big opening discussion of the day focuses on squidy voters. Couple of issues with this. First, the issue with focusing on who voted for the person who ended up getting lynched is that you are working off in complete information. Unless you can be confident that the scum team had something at stake with one of the other candidates it's a pointless exercise. Second, his noted removal of kyan and sorian is odd and problematic. He says sorians vote was a clear townie vote for non tie, but that's such a basic move.

Burb brings up natikos read list which just seems to be walking into a wifom situation. Also says that he would be going back to look at day one end voting. Did he ever do that or did it get lost in what comes after with the poisoner misunderstanding? Speaking of which I town read burb off of that whole exchange. It felt like an attempt at solving, albeit one based off of misreading a post. But I do agree asking about details the poison statement is pretty sketchy and seems off. I can see the train of thought, but obviously think it was off base. But being wrong isn't a scum tell. I don't see a scum!Burb having this weird exchange.

Crabs post calling out a poison doctor to act strikes me as a bit odd. It should be an obvious course of action for any one to take. What it might do is lead to the doctor claiming in a misguided move to respond. He doesn't say don't claim in that posts, but crab has the reasonable defense that it's an obvious implication to not claim. Let's him not take any heat while making it more likely to get the P doc out in the open... makes me a bit more suspicious of crab.

Sorian makes a post I agree with in terms of natikos read list being wifom. Pushes ccs on kyan, but is fine since his vote was self evident. Again it's self evident that it's an easy vote to make and then try to get some town cred for it. He and splinter find it so hard to believe burb misread a post? That seems strange. So far sorian hasn't been coming off great on day 2.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

I'm not feeling good about this post. It looks really fake. It's just making weak excuses based on his own meta: "when I was scum I was more active, so I can't be scum". That is not how it works. At all.

I didn't write it to make you feel good about it lol

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

I couldn't stop thinking about my post since I left. I'm really sorry I snapped Crab.



Well while I'm here may as well answer. When I have an x-shot power I like to use it early in the game because you don't know if you'll survive the night.

I still haven't had a chance to look at Verelios in detail, but I get the suspicion. I'm sticking with my vote though.

This is not the best of reasoning for using the shot. You have better chances of dying later in the game so why would you use it right off the bat?

 

[Kyanrute]

I couldn't stop thinking about my post since I left. I'm really sorry I snapped Crab.

Well while I'm here may as well answer. When I have an x-shot power I like to use it early in the game because you don't know if you'll survive the night.

I still haven't had a chance to look at Verelios in detail, but I get the suspicion. I'm sticking with my vote though.

I find your answer odd. Very odd. A controllable commuter is very valuable, especially later on in the game. Wouldn't it be wiser to save the shots for later? Now, one could argue that there is sense in using the commuter shot if one feels that they were a possible nk candidate. You mention no such thing, just a general "I like to get value out of powers". You don't comment at all whether or not you considered your life to be in danger.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

I don't like how Crab is trying to get trains going. He's talking about how he doesn't want a swing yet he wants to build momentum on Verelios or Faddy and "start a wagon".

VOTE: Crab

I don't like that. It's an easy vote to "hide" in so that makes this vote hard, but I feel it's the right thing to do. I also find these posts of "they're just sticking to the shadows" stupid. I don't agree at all. Yeah, there may be an "inactive" that is Mafia but from what I've played they're mostly out in the open.

 

[Verelios]

This could be a scum joke, a "look at me the townie, knowing better than you who to lynch".

But what pushes him to over the vote barrier is that he, as far as I can see, has not followed through on his day one scum reads. I don't think he has done any real pressuring, no real followup about his reads. I see no scum hunting.

VOTE: Verelios

That's a garbage reason and you know it, and have at least gone through with questioning my scum leads more than your shit posts. I've been scum reading Crab since day 1, I've been scum reading you since day 1, and surprise what we see here.

Vote:Crab

Tell me more on how you want to save your teammate

 

[Verelios]

If I shift my vote, who would be willing to start a wagon on Verelios? Alternatively, if I keep my vote, who would entertain shifting to Faddy?

Actually, let's just test that in action.

VOTE: Verelios

I'm combing through my own thoughts, wasn't a straight answer to your query. Will parse Vere through next, could see him in my top three right now but I'll read to make sure.

In retrospect, this doesn't look like a conversation but a shift in climate to start a bandwagon.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Bullshit. Why is it Swamped vs. Crab? We have hours left before deadline. squidy went from 1 vote to Lynch in like 40 minutes yesterday. The game is still incredibly fluid. Why are you constructing two false choices that nobody is necessarily committed to yet? Why are you refusing discussion of Verelios or Faddy?

This is the post that rubs me the wrong way. He's talking about how we have so much time left in the game yet he wants to start a bandwagon vote against one or the other. But when it comes to voting him, nooOoOOOooooo wayyyyy!

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

Sorian, how do you think Townie points work

I think they work just like in the improv comedy show "whos line is it anyway?"

 

[Kawl_USC]

This is the post that rubs me the wrong way. He's talking about how we have so much time left in the game yet he wants to start a bandwagon vote against one or the other. But when it comes to voting him, nooOoOOOooooo wayyyyy!

That's like not what he is saying at all. He's saying don't pigeon hole us into a scenario where only swamped and him are viable options. There's enough time left that people are still plenty able to put a vote on their top scum read instead of picking only between the two of them. If you think crab is the scummiest cool, but he was getting on nins case for pushing the head to head with several hours left.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

That's like not what he is saying at all. He's saying don't pigeon hole us into a scenario where only swamped and him are viable options. There's enough time left that people are still plenty able to put a vote on their top scum read instead of picking only between the two of them. If you think crab is the scummiest cool, but he was getting on nins case for pushing the head to head with several hours left.

But why does he only want to talk about 2 people?

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Unvote

Wasn't thrilled with how Kalor just popped in and also voted Burb, but the counter-vote is interesting. Seems like Burb is doing his own thing, focusing on a lower-activity player so he seems engaged while his target isn't.

I seem to have missed the case on Verelios but the shifting wagon seemed abrupt to me after the Swamped claim.

I buy Swamped using her commuter shot on N1. Dying with unused shots is the worst, especially when that death was preventable.

There was another post that stuck out to me. Will look back for it and also at Verelios.

 

[Kyanrute]

That's a garbage reason and you know it, and have at least gone through with questioning my scum leads more than your shit posts. I've been scum reading Crab since day 1, I've been scum reading you since day 1, and surprise what we see here.

Vote:Crab

Tell me more on how you want to save your teammate

oh one of these, here, have my official reaction:

LOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Verelios]

Bullshit. Why is it Swamped vs. Crab? We have hours left before deadline. squidy went from 1 vote to Lynch in like 40 minutes yesterday. The game is still incredibly fluid. Why are you constructing two false choices that nobody is necessarily committed to yet? Why are you refusing discussion of Verelios or Faddy?

That's like not what he is saying at all. He's saying don't pigeon hole us into a scenario where only swamped and him are viable options. There's enough time left that people are still plenty able to put a vote on their top scum read instead of picking only between the two of them. If you think crab is the scummiest cool, but he was getting on nins case for pushing the head to head with several hours left.

That's exactly what he's saying. He's displacing Crab v. Swamped with me and Faddy, band wagons he'd have no problem resorting to. If he had left out that last line, then fine, but you cant honestly say Crab has no agenda after seeing that.

 

[Verelios]

oh one of these, here, have my official reaction:

LOLOLOLOLOL

This is what I call a deflection post that you'll probably never come back to.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Reading that vote for Crab by Verelios and how Crab interacts with Verelios I can't help but think about the possibility that they're scum together trying to throw everyone off, and now it caught on so they're trying to separate each other as much as possible now.

I'm down for a vote on Verelios or Crab honestly.

 

[Kawl_USC]

That's exactly what he's saying. He's displacing Crab v. Swamped with me and Faddy, band wagons he'd have no problem resorting to. If he had left out that last line, then fine, but you cant honestly say Crab has no agenda after seeing that.

That last line is merely bringing forth two other players who seem to have garnered enough attention to make them a viable possibility of votes swinging their way. Of course crab has an agenda and that's staying alive, but I don't see this nefarious undercurrent that's overbearingly obvious to you apparently.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Found it, right here:

l'd be willing to bet that Crab, Swamped, CCS, Faddy, and Bronx are not scum. The reason why discussion is dying is because there's no discussion outside of those participants and scum are happy to coast and let discussion just die, since they don't need to defend themselves as we're shooting ourselves in the foot.

Faddy, what happened to your policy of lynching inactives?

Surprised this didn't get more attention, but this is a sweeping generalization that 5 players aren't scum because they're active and being talked about? Almost 1/5 of the entire player list isn't scum? Come on.

This is as bad as the CCS post on D1 that says "I won't vote for X, Y, or Z because they're not scum."

This is mafia. Unless you're a mason/lover or scum, you are on your own. No one is 100% town until they flip.

 

[Verelios]

That last line is merely bringing forth two other players who seem to have garnered enough attention to make them a viable possibility of votes swinging their way. Of course crab has an agenda and that's staying alive, but I don't see this nefarious undercurrent that's overbearingly obvious to you apparently.

That doesn't make much sense. Faddy had 1 vote at the time and discussion only seemed to have him at the barest periphery.

 

[Burbeting]

One thing does bother me about Swamped using shot in n1. She was a big vote target in d1, right? If she is town, it's not likely scum would target her for nk.