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Trump: Healthcare bill will be revised to gain GOP support for Thursday vote
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Amazing. Haha, Trump's coming AFTER YA!
The Freedom Caucus people have no worry about a challenge from the Right, that's why they're so nutty to begin with. They can probably make the case, successfully, to their constituents that the AHCA was Obamacare 2.0 and that they refused a bill that wouldn't make things any better.
The people who are "no's" for a more moderate reason might be persuadable, but only with a bill that is even less palatable to the Freedom Caucus.
Trump and the people who think that a Republican who votes no on this has anything to worry about are living in a fantasy land. Voting *yes* is how you lose the House in 2018.
Thanks. So wanting to get the AARP on board.
Truly, an unrivaled negotiator.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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He knows how to make the deals. The best deals.
Ziltoidia 9
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I don't know what the trump supporters expected. The guy has no knowledge of the plight of the average person. Hes global reality and their global realities are so damn different.
SuperBowser
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Will be interesting to watch how Trump starts bullying and harassing members of his own party over the next months. He's pretty much threatening them with the potential loss of their seats already.
I feel they will all fall in line like a good authoritarian government. Would love to be wrong though.
I feel they will all fall in line like a good authoritarian government. Would love to be wrong though.
PandaPandaPanda
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time to go to mar a lago again this weekend to escape it all (I have no idea if it's already known on whether or not he's planning to go or not, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did at this point)
Good. Fuck his empty threats
I hate to say it but part of me wants Mar a Lago to get wiped out in a hurricane or something. Not anyone dying or anything but just wreck that edifice to his ego.
KoopaTheCasual
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Scroll up just a few posts to see you're wrong. Even after meeting with Trump, this R-NC Rep Ted Budd is already a no.
But his approval rating with Republican voters is 85-90 percent. So until that number starts falling, Republicans aligning themselves with Trump IS their way of protecting themselves.
That said, as much as presidents do have to cajole and browbeat members of Congress into supporting their agenda, I feel like coming out this early in his presidency with headlines of "I'm coming after you" is a terrible way to build relationships on the Hill.
fredrancour
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is there something I'm missing that connects undocumented immigrants to this bill? some portion of the ACA that helped them that's preserved here?
cause right now it feels like that one came from the buzzword grab-bag.
Nope, your hunch is dead on. Grab a buzzword, any buzzword.
Cesare Borgia
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Have you been paying attention to the last 6-7 years of what's going on in the House, what happened to Boehner, what's about to happen to Ryan, etc? Clearly not.
It's a fact that political parties house ideological pockets that may or may not side with whatever the establishment is doing. In this case the Freedom Caucus and Tea Party want a full repeal of Obamacare. Trump's bill doesn't do that so they won't vote for it, the end. Meanwhile moderate republicans don't want a full repeal because it hurts their constituents. There's virtually no way to bridge both divides and pass a bill unless Ryan compromises with democrats, which he won't do.
The republican party is broken on a policy level. If it's not tax cuts or eliminating regulations it's not passing the House without drama.
Vestal
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At the bolded, its not like there is anything he can compromise with. The only thing that would swing democrats is enhancements to the ACA.
I think Democrats could be brought on board for a bipartisan ACA fix that maybe reduced taxes and credits at the exchange of doing something about price controls or negotiating power, but anything the Democrats want would be too soft-hearted for the Republicans.
Vestal
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Yeah it can't happen =p
The thing is, none of these Republicans put forth such a bill though. They all campaigned on it, yet not a one actually worked on something like that.
Cesare Borgia
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If DC republicans were a smart, competent political group they'd try to split the democratic party with a compromise that eliminates the insurance mandate's $ tax fine and adds conservative ideas, including the tax credits, which would go on top of the subsidies. Ryan would lose the Freedom Caucus/Tea Party but win over some vulnerable democrats scared of midterms boiling down to who does and doesn't support the mandate. End result would be making Obamacare more conservative in the short term and dooming the law in the long term (it falls apart without the mandate).
balladofwindfishes
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They may blame Obama, and many may agree, but as a whole, blaming past presidents has never worked and never will work. It doesn't work.
BoogieWoogie
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Holy shit. CBO reports that more people would be insured if they just straight up repealed Obamacare entirely vs instituting the new GOP plan.
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/844232947062521857
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/844232947062521857
ArkhamFantasy
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This plan took them 7 years to come up with? LOL
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It will pass.
fredrancour
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*minutes. 7 minutes.
nobody actually put any effort into thinking up how to replace the conservative market-based health-care coverage solution from the right cause they were busy hating obama.
CrunchyFrog
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Who DIDN'T expect that to be the line? If it passes, Trump gloats over his victory. If it doesn't he blames literally anyone but himself. It's been his MO since forever, this image that he can't possibly lose and if he does it's because it was unfair fair and the rules suck.
I have an idea to fix the healthcare issue.
We already have medicare for the elderly. We have medicaid or some form for the poor.
take 10% of the military budget and cut it out of that total and free it up. Using 2015 numbers taken from wikipedia, thats roughly 63 billion.
Now, take medicaid. expand it to be for everyone. roll medicare into it so its all one program. Name it whatever you want. Both of these are already federal level programs, so leave the one program a federal level program and let the govt negotiate prices like they already do with those two.
Use that 63 billion to help transition and add it to the yearly budget going forward. Then, people can choose to either pay into a private healthcare plan like they do now, or into the medicaid plan. That way its not a new tax on people since everyone already pays into medicare/medicaid anyway and people are already used to paying premiums anyway. That premium would instead go into the public plan, or continue using whatever private plan they wanted.
I imagine I left out all kinds of things, but as I don't know everything needed, I just went with a general idea.
We already have medicare for the elderly. We have medicaid or some form for the poor.
take 10% of the military budget and cut it out of that total and free it up. Using 2015 numbers taken from wikipedia, thats roughly 63 billion.
Now, take medicaid. expand it to be for everyone. roll medicare into it so its all one program. Name it whatever you want. Both of these are already federal level programs, so leave the one program a federal level program and let the govt negotiate prices like they already do with those two.
Use that 63 billion to help transition and add it to the yearly budget going forward. Then, people can choose to either pay into a private healthcare plan like they do now, or into the medicaid plan. That way its not a new tax on people since everyone already pays into medicare/medicaid anyway and people are already used to paying premiums anyway. That premium would instead go into the public plan, or continue using whatever private plan they wanted.
I imagine I left out all kinds of things, but as I don't know everything needed, I just went with a general idea.
Palette Swap
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"Running the country like a business" always meant "make dumb disruptive decisions, line your pockets, yell a bit, and golf your way to bankruptcy".
Gonna stop you right there. The above can't happen.
nintendoman58
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The House, maybe.
The Senate is another story. Either way people need to stop with posts like these, acting like they know the future when they really don't.
Vestal
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Any real solution for Healthcare in America needs to deal with the real issue at hand which is COST. The cost of care is fucking astronomical.
Huh. That kinda gives the HFC way more cover to oppose the bill.
edit: nevermind, it's a difference of 24 million vs. 23 million. :lol
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Trump's threat to come after people makes me think about when Hulk Hogan used to say" What are you gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you." Trumpmania is an entirely new frontier of mania though.
KoopaTheCasual
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Lol, its amazing how doing this would virtually be a win for everyone, but nope, can't happen because reasons.
Fake edit: to be clear, I agree with you. I just think the situation is so dumb.
If you've been paying attention, even it's chances of passing the House are slowly slipping away. This thing definitely won't pass both. The only questions is where it dies and who gets the "blame".
Yeah, if Trump's budget passes... that $50 billion to the military ain't coming back. Military spending has a firm "no take backs" policy.
Yeah, we spend something like 850 billion on Medicaid and Medicare combined, even if we slashed the military budget by 20% it wouldn't pay for everyone. Though I imagine if we expanded Medicaid to everyone under 65 it'd reduce some administrative costs at least.
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/844242193665679360
Tom Cotton: Despite the proposed amendments, I still cannot support the House health-care bill, nor would it pass the Senate.
Tom Cotton: Despite the proposed amendments, I still cannot support the House health-care bill, nor would it pass the Senate.
People need to add "I think" before all posts else I will be confused and think you're a time traveller.
Since the ACA repeal is now Trump gets to gloat for all of a year until midterms sweep his House. This bill fucks his own constituents and it's far too out in the open to blame Bams. The smarter (and inhumane) thing would be to repeal it in 2019. Then again this whole bill is inhumane so.
EDIT: It's kind of entertaining how we were all shocked when the Republicans swept the house, senate and presidency and how some Democrats now want their own left tea party, they have control of everything and appear to be constantly fighting - maybe a left tea party isn't the best idea, lol.
SoRuffShoNuff
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I'm waiting to see it fail an actual vote. McCain has always talked a good game but he falls in line when it's time to vote.
They will keep saying "this" bill won't pass, it will eventually morph into something slightly more palpable but still hell on earth and it will eventually become law.
EatinOlives
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Any chance this vote gets postponed?
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