Vermillion
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Lol, seriously. They explain most everything very clearly.
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Marvel's Iron Fist |OT| Hi-yahh - March 17th on Netflix
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Lol, seriously. They explain most everything very clearly.
Just finished it. Great finale. Memory might serve me wrong but it's one of the better finales out of the Netflix series. The very last
tease at the end was shitty, and was really lengthy for a cliffhanger.
Was mixed on the show but mostly positive as it's enjoyable throughout. It's definitely more of a Meechum show than an Iron Fist show, which is my main knock against it. Which is crummy, considering the Meechum drama and interplay (and acting) was by far the best part of the show. Sometimes it felt like many of those crummy seasons of Arrow, other times it felt very much in line with the other Netflix series'. Other Netflix series also get the criticism that the plot is too thinly stretched out across too many episodes but I only feel it is warranted for Iron Fist.
Even when they announced the Iron Fist show, I was super skeptical and curious about how they'd handle K'un Lun which is the meat of his story and what makes him so damn awesome as a character, and they decided to deviate quite a bit and string you along for tease after tease of his training, only to never indulge because they decided to acquiesce to the "street level" status quo. As a basis for an adaptation, I think that was the wrong path to take. The MCU adaptaton undermines all of the strength, resilience and lessons he learned about how to face challenges in the training he had at K'un Lun. Halfway through with the show I was okay with the naivete of his character adjusting to the real world, but that crossed a threshold at some point where understandable unfamiliarity with the modern world revealed itself to actually be a fundamental lack of problem solving abilities. And that was really felt in the writing.
K'un Lun gate
Was mixed on the show but mostly positive as it's enjoyable throughout. It's definitely more of a Meechum show than an Iron Fist show, which is my main knock against it. Which is crummy, considering the Meechum drama and interplay (and acting) was by far the best part of the show. Sometimes it felt like many of those crummy seasons of Arrow, other times it felt very much in line with the other Netflix series'. Other Netflix series also get the criticism that the plot is too thinly stretched out across too many episodes but I only feel it is warranted for Iron Fist.
Even when they announced the Iron Fist show, I was super skeptical and curious about how they'd handle K'un Lun which is the meat of his story and what makes him so damn awesome as a character, and they decided to deviate quite a bit and string you along for tease after tease of his training, only to never indulge because they decided to acquiesce to the "street level" status quo. As a basis for an adaptation, I think that was the wrong path to take. The MCU adaptaton undermines all of the strength, resilience and lessons he learned about how to face challenges in the training he had at K'un Lun. Halfway through with the show I was okay with the naivete of his character adjusting to the real world, but that crossed a threshold at some point where understandable unfamiliarity with the modern world revealed itself to actually be a fundamental lack of problem solving abilities. And that was really felt in the writing.
Vic_Viper
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Started watch Daredevil season 2 again. I do not understand how they went from the quality of writing and action sequences to the crap we got in Iron Fist and even Luke Cage. It's like they cut the production costs in half by doing 2 crappy seasons instead of having 1 really good one for either title. I really hope we get DD levels of quality for the Defenders or they are going to loose a lot of respect from their fan base.
I like how the Davos actor is already hyping up what to expect from his character in season 2. I'd be very surprised if they even do a season 2, let alone a Heroes for Hire show. I'd really they rather not do one unless they have a really good story they want to tell because season 1 just felt like they were doing it just to have something out before the Defenders. Nothing happened aside from introducing Danny Rand as the Iron Fist. Shit was weak and I hope this isn't a sign that Netflix will be continuing this trend for the rest of these shows.
I like how the Davos actor is already hyping up what to expect from his character in season 2. I'd be very surprised if they even do a season 2, let alone a Heroes for Hire show. I'd really they rather not do one unless they have a really good story they want to tell because season 1 just felt like they were doing it just to have something out before the Defenders. Nothing happened aside from introducing Danny Rand as the Iron Fist. Shit was weak and I hope this isn't a sign that Netflix will be continuing this trend for the rest of these shows.
Yeah I get the feeling that this show got stiffed on the production costs in general. Almost like they wrote it such that they'd barely have him use his powers.
BrokenFiction
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And here we go. Old?
There's even more in the article if no one has seen it yet:
https://www.inverse.com/article/29155-iron-fist-marvel-comics-whitewashing-roy-thomas
There's even more in the article if no one has seen it yet:
https://www.inverse.com/article/29155-iron-fist-marvel-comics-whitewashing-roy-thomas
RedAssedApe
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yeah that would be by #2...but haven't finished the show yet. hoping there is nothing worse lol
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
And here we go. Old?
There's even more in the article if no one has seen it yet:
https://www.inverse.com/article/29155-iron-fist-marvel-comics-whitewashing-roy-thomas
Dude is in his 70s so, you know...
Still... yikes.
darkhunger
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And here we go. Old?
There's even more in the article if no one has seen it yet:
https://www.inverse.com/article/29155-iron-fist-marvel-comics-whitewashing-roy-thomas
Probably not the right age of guys that you talk to about being PC...
But he also says he doesn't care if they made Iron Fist Asian, and that he "wasnt intended to stand for any race. He was just a man who was indoctrinated into a certain thing"... Which actually goes further than some fans are willing to go (even on NeoGAF)
Lazy vs Crazy
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If you are older than, like, 50, sure.
the biggest take away here is that it will last more than 1 season.
I always find it amusing reading interviews from old-timer comic writers who could simply not give a shit about what they created, they just want the pay and the credit. Not that I blame them for wanting fair compensation, it's just funny to see the generational divide between creators who are fans and are creators who looked at comics as just a job to do.
edit: ok, reading more of this interview, doesn't sound like Thomas is quite that guy. But there sure is a lot of "I don't care" in there. :lol
Men in their 70s and up do.
edit: ok, reading more of this interview, doesn't sound like Thomas is quite that guy. But there sure is a lot of "I don't care" in there. :lol
Men in their 70s and up do.
I've only got one episode left and I don't think the show is quite as terrible as some of the reviews made it out to be. In fact its the most consistent Marvel show in terms of tone, characters, etc. whereas a lot of the other shows are very uneven or fall off after the half way point. The problem is that the show itself is consistent in how bland and dumb it can be despite a few good moments scattered through out.
The martial arts fights are really bad in several cases as well, like even with all the cuts and crazy angles and all that it doesn't hide that a lot of people are just running into being thrown over a shoulder or just setting themselves up for the "heroes" to do something cool. I'm not sure how many scenes characters wielding machine guns just run up to Danny and crew without firing just to get into a short lived fist fight. I'm not sure how Colleen is punching a dude in full swat gear and somehow knocking him out, let alone down, in a few blows. Worse is now Claire is getting into fights with military trained killers and somehow winning.
On top of that a lot of the side characters aren't as bad as those in something like Jessica Jones, they aren't also all that much fun to follow. Ward and family are interesting enough but a lot of their stuff is really soap opera like and almost feels like an entirely different show than the stuff following Danny and the Hand. I actually like Harold as a villain and the changes he goes through but it takes a while to get there and for the most part he's just stuck in his tower being a dick.
The martial arts fights are really bad in several cases as well, like even with all the cuts and crazy angles and all that it doesn't hide that a lot of people are just running into being thrown over a shoulder or just setting themselves up for the "heroes" to do something cool. I'm not sure how many scenes characters wielding machine guns just run up to Danny and crew without firing just to get into a short lived fist fight. I'm not sure how Colleen is punching a dude in full swat gear and somehow knocking him out, let alone down, in a few blows. Worse is now Claire is getting into fights with military trained killers and somehow winning.
On top of that a lot of the side characters aren't as bad as those in something like Jessica Jones, they aren't also all that much fun to follow. Ward and family are interesting enough but a lot of their stuff is really soap opera like and almost feels like an entirely different show than the stuff following Danny and the Hand. I actually like Harold as a villain and the changes he goes through but it takes a while to get there and for the most part he's just stuck in his tower being a dick.
LOL my mom says Oriental and we're Filipino. She's 77. Lived through the Japanese occupation of the Philippines in World War II.
peanutbutterlatte
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More like he HOPES it will
keltickennedy
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Yeah, the fights should of been the coolest thing about a Iron Fist series. They were all pretty lackluster. I think the reason for them being poor was using a different stunt team. Pretty sure the stunt team for Daredevil was either working on The Defenders or The Punisher. I know Chris Brewster is working on both Defenders and Punisher.
The biggest reason for them being so poor is the terrible schedule. Giving the lead the choreography less than 30 minutes before a scene is ridiculous. Heck, giving the lead only 3 months to learn to move like a martial artist is just wrong. Blame here lies 100% on the studio dragging its feet getting the show together. IF took forever to find a showrunner, script, and cast. I honestly would blame Perlmutter and his team over anyone directly making the show (yes, even Scott Buck).
Razgriz-Specter
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S1 even had better. Oliver getting destroyed by Merlyn, Deathstroke vs Wintergreen.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I really feel bad for the cast. Shitty schedule, showrunner, and script hobbled all of them.
despite that, they're a good cast and they do the best they can. Give them more time and a better showrunner, and I can definitely see some great stuff coming out of this cast. Finn Jones is not miscast, but underprepared and saddled with a shitty script.
Him being an ass after the filming of the show in interviews and on Twitter doesn't help, doofus.
despite that, they're a good cast and they do the best they can. Give them more time and a better showrunner, and I can definitely see some great stuff coming out of this cast. Finn Jones is not miscast, but underprepared and saddled with a shitty script.
Him being an ass after the filming of the show in interviews and on Twitter doesn't help, doofus.
Jest Chillin
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I hadn't heard anything? What's he done?
She gets more towards the back half. It really isnt' enough though.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Lol, I wonder what this show would be like if Tom Pelphrey played Danny.
Magicgamer101
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Finished it today. Overall I enjoyed it, up until the end at least. The thing I enjoyed the most about the show was I thought it had a lot of morally grey characters. Characters where I kept questioning their actions, are they good or evil. I would flip flop between liking and hating characters based on the reason behind their actions.
With Joy she done morally questionable stuff throughout but never seemed like a bad person interested in seeing anyone die. So why at the end they decided to make her character do a complete 180 and for her decide
If there is a second season I can't see an explanation being even close to decent as to why she's having that meeting but yeah apart from that I enjoyed my time with it.
Like Ward selling out Danny to save his sister.
With Joy she done morally questionable stuff throughout but never seemed like a bad person interested in seeing anyone die. So why at the end they decided to make her character do a complete 180 and for her decide
to kill Danny, after he saved her family from the hand and sacrificed himself for her and realising that her Dad was actually a piece of shit
If there is a second season I can't see an explanation being even close to decent as to why she's having that meeting but yeah apart from that I enjoyed my time with it.
neurosisxeno
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It will. Odds are this will force Marvel Television to take a more hands on approach with IF. They need to take a note from Daredevil and Into the Badlands and put a huge emphasis on making well shot (and stylish) television and well choreographed fight sequences respectively. Get rid of the showrunner, he did a shit job on Dexter and a shit job on Iron Fist. They need to focus Iron Fist Season 2 on Danny and not make it some weird ensemble show focusing on several characters while neglecting the titular character. They need to bring in better writers and ensure the directors are up to it. How Miguel Sapochnick wen't from directing Winds of Winter and Battle of the Bastards to... whatever the hell he did with Episode 4 tells me odds are he didn't get the kind of creative control he wanted.
Marvel Studios isn't obligated to do anything. Marvel Studios and Marvel Television are different divisions.
Well that scene where he tries speaking Mandarin to Colleen Wing would somehow be even creepier, aside from making me think Danny is a fucking piece of shit asshole.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I was wrong.
Lewis Tan, aka Awesome Drunken Master, that's who I wanna see as Danny.
His sequence was fantastic. One of the highlights of the show.
neurosisxeno
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That's what I meant.
RedAssedApe
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ehh...i thought lewis tan fight was pretty corny. granted finn probably couldn't keep up if it was too choreographed...but i didn't see anything special there...
Reptars Revenge
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And here we go. Old?
There's even more in the article if no one has seen it yet:
https://www.inverse.com/article/29155-iron-fist-marvel-comics-whitewashing-roy-thomas
Besides the use of the term oriental, I agree with most of what he said.
Conor_Fool
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Sooo is the general consensus here that this is worse than Luke Cage? Because that started so strong (maybe I was just hyped) and got progressively worse, completely abandoned the freakin show after
. Was by far the best part.
I'll probably end up watching the first ep tonight but I don't know if my heart can handle another disappointment like that :'(
Perhaps a better question... what are the most redeeming aspects of this show? Especially directed at a huge DD and JJ fan
Cottonmouth died
I'll probably end up watching the first ep tonight but I don't know if my heart can handle another disappointment like that :'(
Perhaps a better question... what are the most redeeming aspects of this show? Especially directed at a huge DD and JJ fan
Uhhh...
- Instead of it going from good to getting progressively worse, it stays middling the entire season?
- Colleen's pretty cool, I'd watch a spinoff with her in it
- Claire's still cool
EYEL1NER
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So in episode 10 when
interrupts
dinner...
I really liked the fight scene in episode 10 with Danny and
Bokuto
Harold's
Harold had all of his fingers? I looked closely at his hands holding a fork and knife and didn't remember which hand he gave the chop to, but all his fingers were on both hands. Wtf? Are they supposed to have grown back when he came back to life?
Davos against the Hand when they break out of the camp. I do feel like the Hand has lost some of their mystique and scariness though, now that I know that they are made up of a bunch of tracksuit- and hat-wearing inner city teenage kids. What happened to all of the ninjas?
neurosisxeno
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Yes. When he is resurrected apparently his fingers had grown back. You can tell from every scene after he emerges from the swamp that he now has all of his fingers. It's strange that they never really mention it but it does kinda make sense. When he died the first time it was of cancer which was gone when he was brought back. So it stands to reason that it not only resurrects the person but heals them in the process. I think a similar think happened with Nobu in Daredevil correct?
I brought this up earlier in the topic. The consensus is that Daredevil fought a much more experienced and powerful variation of The Hand. After Daredevil season 2 The Hand was in shambles, and Bakuto's organization is mostly kids in training and lacks some of the more ridiculous elements such as the undead/resurrected Ninja's. They almost seem more like Hydra where they are focused on position themselves for expansion rather than being the traditional assassin organization that we see in Daredevil.
finowns
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I like it. It's disappointing that the show could have been awesome
Conor_Fool
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Hmm...hahaha. I appreciate the response. I do love Claire and love me some RZA tho. Guess I'll check it out and not hesitate to stop watching like I sometimes tend to do.
Random thought - Netflix should do a mini series reimagining of Ghost Dog with some heavy RZA involvement, now that he's actively worked with them and all. Still waiting for him to top this beat
NotTheGuyYouKill
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The dude had good charisma in his sequence. There's nothing, ten episodes in, that warrants that Iron Fist had to be a blonde white guy.
I mean Finn is fine. The main issues are the middling writing, directing, and the showrunner, but there was no reason Lewis Tan couldn't have done this role. Maybe his screen test just didn't go that well?
finowns
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The actor isn't a problem at all. I'm actually impressed given the material he worked with. They could have made a great season around Finn.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I agree, Finn is fine. He's gotten a lot of hate, but honestly, he's done the best he can with the material. They've saddled him with boring, incoherent, melancholy and trite crap.
ChubbyHuggs
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Like most people have said the story, writing and choreography all were middling. I don't see how he would have helped anything besides adding a more experienced lookin fighter. Also was that his real accent?
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