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The Nostalgia Critic |OT| He Remembers It So You Don't Have To
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DrForester
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Strider_Blaze
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I could also say the same for
in regards to the season 2 finale of Star Vs. the Forces of Evil.
And now the editorial is up.
What Happened to Great Disney Villains?
Toffee
And now the editorial is up.
What Happened to Great Disney Villains?
Amusingly, Lindsay Ellis also just released a video on the exact same subject.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1348740
Are Disney Villains Going Extinct?
Apparently they did not plan this, or make the videos in retaliation to each other as part of a feud, unless one of them is literally bugging the other person's office, as both videos took a significant amount of time to make, so they were both working on them at the same time.
It's amusing to compare and contrast the two videos, and see them saying the same things, or different things.
Xehanort is cool but his plan is more convoluted than anything I've seen
Strider_Blaze
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The new NC intro is going to debut on Youtube tomorrow at 3PM CST.
Udpate: And new intro is up!
Udpate: And new intro is up!
Pretty much a parody of the intro of the "The Real Adventures of Johnny Quest."
The Real Abed
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It's okay I guess. For a minute I thought he was getting rid of his "The Show Must Go On" theme song.
Boss Doggie
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Wait, he seriously didn't see the pink bear or king candy as villains?
RipperGrim
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He didn't see them as memorable.
Boss Doggie
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No I mean for twists. He keeps including them for the twists.
RipperGrim
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Well the bear is definitely a twist. They are all happy and welcoming to Buzz and his friends at first and it's only because Buzz overhears their plan do they find out he's a villain.
Boss Doggie
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is it really a twist when it happens around 1/4th of the movie?
King Candy was also a twist.
In Wreck-it-Ralph, Ralph finds and supports Vanellope in her quest to become a real character in her game. The rest of the characters in her game act like dicks and try to keep her down. King Candy eventually explains to Ralph that they're not bad people and they're not trying to be mean to her, they're just trying to keep a glitch from getting noticed, that way their game doesn't get dumped for being glitchy, and Ralph grudgingly agrees that they're doing the right thing, so he stops supporting Vanellope.
Then it's revealed that Vanellope was a real character all along (hero lineage twist). And King Candy was the one who glitched her, when he kicked her off the stage (villain reveal twist). And then it's revealed that King Candy isn't even King Candy, King Candy is Turbo, a character from an obscure 80's racing game, who jumped to Vanellope's game and stole her position (villain identity twist).
Note: I needed to read a plot synopsis to write this post. King Candy/Turbo was super unmemorable for me.
King Candy being a villain isn't the twist. King Candy being Turbo is the twist.
Boss Doggie
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surprised he didn't point out Bolt as one of the few Disney movies with no villains
still doesn't change the character itself being the main villain though, when he mentioned twists they were mostly about "the villain you didn't expect"
still doesn't change the character itself being the main villain though, when he mentioned twists they were mostly about "the villain you didn't expect"
Yeah but it's Bolt though...
King Candy was revealed not to long into the movie when he puts the Konami Code in to go mess with the code more, so even the people who somehow didn't know he'd be the villain were aware of his villainy. But no one expected him to turn out to be Turbo. Turbo's the villain you didn't expect, not King Candy. You can do that good to evil transition and still have a good villain but you need to give some indication that would make that transition seem less jarring.
Honestly for me, Lotso gets the most points because he tried to incinerate my childhood.
Boss Doggie
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I will fight tooth and nail for Bolt being recognized as a good film!
as for Lotso it's more of a comparison with Stinky Pete. You already know what Lotso is up to early one vs Stinky Pete's third act twist.
As for KC, then that more doesn't fit with NC showing him with villains who don't do villain things until the twist.
as for Lotso it's more of a comparison with Stinky Pete. You already know what Lotso is up to early one vs Stinky Pete's third act twist.
As for KC, then that more doesn't fit with NC showing him with villains who don't do villain things until the twist.
Probably not. I don't think KC was ever meant to fool anyone.
Weird that he and Lindsay came out with identical videos with such a short time frame of each other. Doubt it's a coincidence but I'm wondering who tried to undercut who.
That's actually a tough one. I'd think that the remake holds up better than the first Evil Dead, but Evil Dead 2 and 3 are probably better than both
DrForester
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How did The Abyss not make the list?
Strider_Blaze
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I'm actually surprised at the alternate endings shown on the list.
Though only one I saw out of the 11 was the Independence Day one. Like Doug said, that was simply corny and weird.
And I laughed at the Titanic and AMS2 ones.
Though only one I saw out of the 11 was the Independence Day one. Like Doug said, that was simply corny and weird.
And I laughed at the Titanic and AMS2 ones.
I just rewatched Wreck-It Ralph (it was on TV), and I would say that King Candy wasn't revealed to be the villain in that scene in the code room.
In the early part of the movie, society/the world is the villain. The citizens in Fix-It Felix's game treat Ralph like a pariah (Felix is shown to be sympathetic, but torn). The citizens in Sugar Rush treat Vanellope like a pariah (and the other racers gave it to her much harder than King Candy did). When Ralph invades Hero's Duty and makes a mess of things, Calhoun won't put up with it. When Ralph invades Sugar Rush and makes a mess of things, King Candy won't put up with it. At this point, King Candy is literally no different from Calhoun, one of the heroes of the movie. King Candy uses the stick, not the carrot, to try and get rid of Ralph. He tells Ralph to get lost and go back to his own game because his medal doesn't exist anymore, it has been transformed into code. That's not villainy, that's par for the course.
After the stick fails to solve the Ralph problem, King Candy puts in the effort to try and extract Ralph's medal from the code. We're shown Vanellope's icon glitching off to the side, but we're not given any context as to what that means.
When King Candy goes to give the recovered medal back to Ralph and implores him to stop Vanellope for her own good, he's not revealed to be a villain. He lays out the previously-established facts that glitching can cause a game to get shut down, and that glitches can't leave the game, which means that she specifically will be the only one unable to evacuate, and she'll die. King Candy is a helpless old man getting physically dominated by Ralph, while he asks Ralph to listen to reason, and says things which are actually true. When Ralph smashed Vanellope's kart ("for her own good"), there was no undercurrent of Ralph getting played by lies from a villain, it's just that the world really sucks sometimes.
And when Ralph returned to his own game, the people of his game were still being massive dicks to him ("You left the game because of me, and then Felix left the game because of you, and now Felix is missing so we're all doomed, and it's all your fault. But here, I'm a big man so I'll give you exactly what I promised. I hope you choke on it.")
And then Ralph sees Vanellope's picture on the side of the Sugar Rush cabinet (Whaaaa?). He walks into Sugar Rush and confronts the butler, who reveals King Candy as the villain, with a flashback of him as a snarling villain in the code room, madly ripping wires out of Vanellope's glitching code block. This is the point (between Vanellope's picture being discovered and the butler's flashback) where the script abruptly flips from society as the villain to King Candy as the villain.
The scene in the code room was just laying groundwork for the butler's flashback. It gives context to the events in the twist, it doesn't provide an early reveal, or significantly telegraph the twist. It's like the "Turbo" references earlier in the movie. They established that Turbo went crazy and died because he couldn't accept the way things worked, and that Ralph risks meeting the same fate if he doesn't fall in line. The references don't imply that Turbo is coming back, but after he does, they provide some ineffective backstory (ineffective because people had no reason to be paying attention, just like they had no real reason to question King Candy in the code room).
Boss Doggie
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I think it reveals as a villain because he messed with the code AND we see Vanellope's "code" thing which had its wires removed. So it's easy to put two and two together.
Also it makes me wonder what would have happened if they made I Am Legend's original ending as the actual ending.
Also it makes me wonder what would have happened if they made I Am Legend's original ending as the actual ending.
I took him having a secret code room as suspicious because if the status quo thing is to be believed, he shouldn't have access to his own game's code. That already cast some doubt on him as just another part of the game because he's been shown using what are essentially hacks. And I don't really consider the people who were dicks to Ralph as villains, just mean people who learn their lesson by the end. King Candy is the only one attempting to actively stop one of the protagonists of his own agency. The other antagonists would be the bugs, but they don't have any overarching evil play or scheme. They're just doing what they're programmed to do in an environment that they were never supposed to be in.
King Candy having access to the game's code isn't suspicious by itself, because he's the King of this world. He can open doors that others can't. Retrieving Ralph's medal is an exercise of power that King Candy doesn't feel inclined to give. The Konami code by itself isn't a hacking tool, it's a secret power built into a game by a game's creators (and the King barely uses and doesn't remember it, as he had to have it written down on a cocktail napkin so he wouldn't forget). We see Vanellope's broken code in that room, but we already know that Vanellope's code is broken, this is just another visual representation of it. There's no upfront indication that this was the means of how her code was broken in the first place, that it was a malicious attack from the abnormally-villainous King. We're even shown another example of broken code in the unfinished level where Vanellope resides. Games aren't always built with perfect code, as any gamer could attest. Glitches happen. Vanellope's damamged code block could just as easily be a hint as to how Vanellope's damaged code could be repaired, if the people of her world gave a damn about her.
King Candy is the villain as much as Felix or the villagers are, in that he could be less of an asshole. The villagers could respect that Ralph is a necessary opponent for Felix, and not shun him outside of work for being on the wrong side. Felix has a trophy case full of medals, and he could easily have awarded one of them to Ralph over some beers as recognition for a great game of darts. In the first part of the movie, all of the smaller assholes in the movie's world combine to make one large villain, which is society.
When King Candy laid down the hard truth of Vanellope's racing ban on Ralph, by all indications he was being genuine, and no more of a villain than Felix. He was acting in line with the real villain at the time, which was life. I think that if you latched onto the Konami Code and a glimpse of Vanellope's sparking code block as an indication that life isn't supposed to suck this badly, that it's all a ploy by King Candy, then you were reaching for something that wasn't being made obvious in the movie.
You suggested that the racers had no agency in being assholes because their memories were extracted and locked up by King Candy, but that only became apparent during the twist villain reveal. And it doesn't explain why the people in Ralph's game were assholes (and the apparent resolution of that thread really doesn't work for me, since nothing with the villagers was resolved between the time when that last villager gave Ralph the keys and basically told him to go fuck himself, and when Ralph and Felix came back home as buddies for their happy ending). Or why villains in general need to go to support meetings. Or why Q-Bert is homeless. King Candy was actively trying to stop Ralph and Vanellope, but there's no question that Calhoun would be attempting to stop Ralph from going off-script and trying to win a medal if that was still going on, so the only difference between King Candy and Calhoun at this point is timing. The real villain in the movie is very clearly life, until the writers pulled a twist and tried to pin it all on King Candy. The writers backfilled supporting scenes for both twists (King Candy as the villain, and Turbo as King Candy), but I just rewatched the movie, and I really don't think those scenes worked as advance warning for the two twists, and the two twists were both intended as twists, to create surprise value.
King Candy's actions never meshed well with his personality, though. He was slightly more harsh than I would've expected and it never really felt like it came out of a concern for his people or his game, which I guess was kind of the point because you were supposed to think that he was just a selfish asshole before he told Ralph about his motives. And then it swerves back when you realize "oh, no, his motives actually WERE selfish." Kinda like an evil to well-meaning to more evil than he was before because now he's turbo and also a bug. Besides, if we were shown that Vanellope's code was broken in a room that only he could access then it starts to beg the question of why he wouldn't fix it. Code seems to be relegated to plugging and unplugging wires in their world. It's a further indicator that something is off and him talking to Ralph only serves to throw off your initial suspicions.
And the own agency thing was in reference to the bugs. They don't care about Ralph or anything outside of their programming. The racers in Sugar Rush are jerks because they don't want their game broken so Vanellope is basically the plague, and the ones in Ralph's game just seem to either assume Ralph's actually a bad guy or delight in hating his guts because they think it's justified due to him being labeled a villain in their game. But neither really does anything eyebrow raising like King Candy does with that little code room thing. If we had seen him use that room for something trivial then sure, but if you saw The Mad Hatter open his closet and access the hidden core of Wonderland and then see a box marked "Alice" floating in the distance, you'd probably raise an eyebrow. And that's what makes King Candy stick out more than the others, to me. We were shown too much. Maybe if that had been after the explanation I might not have been as wary.
Ah, right. I totally agree that the bugs aren't really a factor in terms of villainy.
I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on King Candy's foreshadowing.
Strider_Blaze
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I actually remember Balto a lot, but haven't watched it in awhile. It's currently available on Netflix's streaming service as well.
And a clipless review on Suicide Squad? Given that it's now available on home video, I would have assumed it would be a regular review. Though I reckon they want to avoid copyright problems on Youtube.
And a clipless review on Suicide Squad? Given that it's now available on home video, I would have assumed it would be a regular review. Though I reckon they want to avoid copyright problems on Youtube.
DrForester
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I rewatched Balto when it poped up on Netlifx. Still holds up as a fun animated film I think.
I then watched the two sequels since they were also on netflix.
Not a good idea at all.
I then watched the two sequels since they were also on netflix.
Not a good idea at all.
Strider_Blaze
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Somehow I got a feeling the makers of Alpha and Omega (another movie involving wolves) took a page from Universal and made sequels, but UP TO ELEVEN!
*looks up the amount of sequels*
Jeez 6 sequels! And there is a 7th on the way!
And looking at the Balto review, looks pretty awkward looking at it now, especially Steele, I mean I never did notice much of his evil expressions being that obvious. Never did notice Balto himself lacking any dialogue within the last 20 minutes of the film.
Not to mention I feel the bear attack scene kind of reminds of the one happens near the end of Fox & the Hound. The fact Doug mentioned it being a black bear (and assuming it was some animation goof throughout), I can't help compare the bear on the front cover, where it was brown.
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He reads off the historical inaccuracies at the end like they're a surprise to anyone.
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I used to love the talking animal movies but damn, I cannot remember this one at all.
The prevalence of humans makes everything that much weirder when the dogs are all speaking and emoting like people, and apparently geese are people but bears are not, or something.
movie is bearcist
The prevalence of humans makes everything that much weirder when the dogs are all speaking and emoting like people, and apparently geese are people but bears are not, or something.
movie is bearcist
DrForester
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The Polar bears can talk.
it's the black bears that are savage, mindless animals.
oh...
Strider_Blaze
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Mother of (insert name of fictional god character here or just say) Dios!
I never thought of that before.
Awwwwkward!
Boss Doggie
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I once liked Balto because it was a "oh hey it's a movie where wolves are shown positively!" but as time went on it is really mediocre and really more of a furry magnet for some, and honestly I found better ways of "wolves being cool and awesome".
I actually liked both Balto sequels more than the original, figure that one out hah.
I actually liked both Balto sequels more than the original, figure that one out hah.
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yep, surprised he didnt point this out
im sorry but furry magnet? why is this movie any different from the other hundred talking animal movies?
Boss Doggie
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it's a joke like TLK and Robin Hood are furry magnets if you get what I mean
jack_package_200
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Surprised Doug wasn't so negative on Balto.
For me, the movie has mostly decent animation and is an easy sit for kids. It does its job even if its inaccurate as fuck.
For me, the movie has mostly decent animation and is an easy sit for kids. It does its job even if its inaccurate as fuck.
Boss Doggie
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at the end of the day it's not really a bad film
speaking of which, I'm glad he reviewed a (relatively) old show. Ignoring the editorials I think his last old review was the Matrix?