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Trump: Healthcare bill will be revised to gain GOP support for Thursday vote

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Sobriquet

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Mr. Wonderful said:
To be fair, I was shocked by the lack of leadership and progress demonstrated by Democrats in 2008. This is a whole other level, however.
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The most productive Congress in decades?

ArkhamFantasy said:
Can someone give a brief explanation on why house republicans might be willing to pass this, but the senate republicans wont?
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I think it's because Reps have to answer to their (gerrymandered) districts and Senators for their entire state.
 
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RPGCrazied said:
I thought it needs 60 votes to be put into law?
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Nope, they're rushing this because they need to get it in via the budget reconciliation process. It's not a normal vote, only requires 50 votes.

ArkhamFantasy said:
Can someone give a brief explanation on why house republicans might be willing to pass this, but the senate republicans wont?
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To make it not pass they'd need republican 23 votes against it in the house, but only 3 republican votes against it in the senate.
 
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Bishman

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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/democrats-senate-obamacare-repeal-236323

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Thursday can't come fast enough.
 
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Cesare Borgia

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Freedom Caucus still opposed as of tonight. It's over.
ArkhamFantasy said:
Can someone give a brief explanation on why house republicans might be willing to pass this, but the senate republicans wont?
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Senate republicans are more sane and somewhat moderate than republicans in the house. Multiple senate republicans who face re-election are in states where the Medicaid expansion insures thousands of voters, so any plan that jeopardizes that is a no go for them. Meanwhile there are also some hardcore republican senators who want a full repeal, no matter the consequences (Cruz, Paul, Lee). Add those groups together and republicans don't have the votes to pass the bill, whether they use reconciliation or not.
 
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greepoman

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Just curious about how likely some of these people say they'll vote no but when it comes down to it they'll flop? Some of this is just politics I assume...Just trying to get as many last minute concessions as possible before they go along with it.
 
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Tommy DJ

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greepoman said:
Just curious about how likely some of these people say they'll vote no but when it comes down to it they'll flop? Some of this is just politics I assume...Just trying to get as many last minute concessions as possible before they go along with it.
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The argument is that Republicans always fall in line. Which there is an element of truth in that statement.

The sort of problem I see in this situation is that you have one side that doesn't like the proposed bill because it fucks their constituents raw. The other side is the Freedom Caucus who want government to get out of health care completely for pretty much ideological reasons...and these guys haven't really shown much willingness to ever compromise hard.

So you end up with a political party that simultaneously thinks Trumpcare is far too harsh and soft. With two diametrically opposite ideologies in play here, a president that has spent the first month getting his travel ban knocked back twice because he can't fucking shut up about treating muslims like shit and a speaker/policy wonk that has shown to be nothing but terrible at his job, I can't really understand why people assume they're going to be able to pass Trumpcare in their current situation..
 
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JoeyJungle

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Tommy DJ said:
The argument is that Republicans always fall in line. Which there is an element of truth in that statement.

The sort of problem I see in this situation is that you have one side that doesn't like the proposed bill because it fucks their constituents raw. The other side is the Freedom Caucus who want government to get out of health care completely for pretty much ideological reasons...and these guys haven't really shown much willingness to ever compromise hard.

So you end up with a political party that simultaneously thinks Trumpcare to far too harsh and soft. With two diametrically opposite ideologies in play here, a president that has spent the first month getting his travel ban knocked back twice because he can't fucking shut up about treating muslims like shit and a speaker/policy wonk that has shown to be nothing but terrible at his job, I can't really understand why people assume they're going to be able to pass Trumpcare in their current situation..
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Last week's episode of The Weeds had a really good discussion about the different factions of the Republican party on healthcare and why it's incredibly difficult for them to come to a consensus.
 
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Pastry said:
Would having the vote pulled be viewed as big of a failure as if the vote failed?
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They won't do the vote unless they're sure they don't have the numbers. Loosing a vote with the majority they have in the house would be a fucking embarrassment.
 
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Fragamemnon

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I think if they are close they will try for the vote and leave it open while they muscle votes in grand Tom DeLay style.

The thing about this bill is that the Senate will turn it into something unrecognizable-Mitch McConnell likes one thing-winning-and this bill doesn't help him and his party win anything. He will have the bill changed so that it will, by some perversion, make it favorable to the Republican base though massive subsidies for the 50-64 segment offset by hurting blue constituencies more.

Then it will go back to the House where, seeing a light at the end of the tunnel, the leadership and white house will go all-in to get the conference bill passed.
 
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Armaros

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Pastry said:
Would having the vote pulled be viewed as big of a failure as if the vote failed?
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a failed vote still means the votes are recorded. So Dems can attack yes votes, and more hardcore right-wingers will attack No Votes in the midterms.

So it means they as the party in power are completerly disfunctional, the fact that they cant even get basic majority votes when they control everything. At least the ACA had to get over 60.
 
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Xe4 said:
They won't do the vote unless they're sure they don't have the numbers. Loosing a vote with the majority they have in the house would be a fucking embarrassment.
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The shock wave it would send to the Market would be pretty rough as well...
 
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Vestal said:
The shock wave it would send to the Market would be pretty rough as well...
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It was already down today because it's a signal of the dysfunction of the House. It makes investors think they won't be able to get Tax Reform through which is next on their agenda and will easily benefit the market--and cripple the Government.
 
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Paz

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Nobody falls in line like Republicans though, I'm expecting some last minute reversals and a narrow passing.
 
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GameAddict411

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I got a feeling that it will pass. At that point, I am not sure how will things go for the people. So much suffering and a lot of dark years ahead.
 
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Dead Prince

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Trump said on twitter they are working hard. oh god i would LOVE to see the tweet storm when this doesn't pass lol. or what he'll say during the next next speech/rally/address.
 
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Steejee

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If this fails I wonder if Trump will blame Obama for making the ACA too hard to repeal, or he'll blame GOP congresscritters for sucking. Probably both.
 
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Socivol

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I have 100% faith this is going to pass. Republicans are thugs when it comes to getting together to fuck over poor people and that's what this does.
 
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daveo42

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The House will pass it. As big as the Freedom Caucus is talking, they'll fold on Thursday regardless of any changes. They won't make it through the Senate without gutting it, meaning it'll probably stall out. The crazy thing is that if it did have a snowball's chance in passing, I'd rather they just repeal the whole thing and not replace it. The GOP plan effectively means rolling back the insurance program to before ACA with more benefits for the rich and insurance companies. Sure they can't deny you coverage, but they'll charge you more for it if it ever lapses.
 
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daveo42 said:
The House will pass it. As big as the Freedom Caucus is talking, they'll fold on Thursday regardless of any changes. They won't make it through the Senate without gutting it, meaning it'll probably stall out. The crazy thing is that if it did have a snowball's chance in passing, I'd rather they just repeal the whole thing and not replace it. The GOP plan effectively means rolling back the insurance program to before ACA with more benefits for the rich and insurance companies. Sure they can't deny you coverage, but they'll charge you more for it if it ever lapses.
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The Freedom caucus is foaming at the mouth. Boehner couldn't get them in line and neither can Ryan. I am confident it won't pass the house.
 
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daveo42

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Makonero said:
The Freedom caucus is foaming at the mouth. Boehner couldn't get them in line and neither can Ryan. I am confident it won't pass the house.
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Given the option of ACA vs no ACA, they'll fold. They won't like it but the'll fold, then walk back their opposition because the replacement is "the better of two evils" or some such nonsense. As well, the Tea Party was acting in both opposition to their own party as well as the Democrats. With the GOP holding the White House as well as both chamber of Congress, they'll go along with it.
 
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Trey

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daveo42 said:
Given the option of ACA vs no ACA, they'll fold. They won't like it but the'll fold, then walk back their opposition because the replacement is "the better of two evils" or some such nonsense. As well, the Tea Party was acting in both opposition to their own party as well as the Democrats. With the GOP holding the White House as well as both chamber of Congress, they'll go along with it.
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That's not what the option is. To them the ACHA is even worse than the ACA.
 
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Trey said:
That's not what the option is. To them the ACHA is even worse than the ACA.
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Yep. These are the morons that shut down our government umpteen times until they got what they wanted. They have no problem throwing tantrums and trying to get their way. I don't see this passing at all.
 
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mnannola

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Odds that Ryan pulls the bill before the vote seem to be rising fast. Can't imagine he puts this up for a vote if he knows it will fail.
 
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Armaros

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mnannola said:
Odds that Ryan pulls the bill before the vote seem to be rising fast. Can't imagine he puts this up for a vote if he knows it will fail.
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Anything besides a pass in tha House is a failure for Ryan, they have a 20+ majority in the House and if it doesn't pass after 8 years to figure out a repeal and replace plan, it shows the failure of the GOP to do anything besides rhetoric.

Also Boehner tried bribing the Freedom Caucus, it didn't work then, it's not going to work now.
 
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