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Trump: Healthcare bill will be revised to gain GOP support for Thursday vote
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This is important info he is considered a moderate, along with David Young who also just came out as no. That is not even counting the Freedom Caucus.
Normally a bill would be pulled if they can't whip enough support but I think they are scared of Trump 's reaction if they pull it this actually has a chance of being voted down on the floor
Laevateinn
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I wish we were in a parliamentary system where this scenario would trigger a new election.
At this point it would be easier to track yes votes which probably just consists of Paul Ryan.
BoogieWoogie
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Man why didn't they at least have the vote on a Friday so that it would have been over a weekend news cycle?
StopMakingSense
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Yeah with writing on the wall, looks like moderates are taking it as a sign to safely go against the bill.
StopMakingSense
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No, a straight repeal will never get passed.
LegendofJoe
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The thought of that happening is too amazing to put into words.
IrishNinja
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so, Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen has pledged to vote no, no word from Rep. Curbelo in my local scene
didn't you watch the last election? STATISTICS MEAN NOTHING
didn't he quite literally say as much last week? yeah, that's pretty clearly the plan
it'll play to his insane base, but everyone else is gonna witness that giant L
you ever talk to tea party folks (or libertarians) about healthcare reform, much less other social services? it's a lot easier to believe if you've heard the rhetoric
didn't you watch the last election? STATISTICS MEAN NOTHING
didn't he quite literally say as much last week? yeah, that's pretty clearly the plan
it'll play to his insane base, but everyone else is gonna witness that giant L
you ever talk to tea party folks (or libertarians) about healthcare reform, much less other social services? it's a lot easier to believe if you've heard the rhetoric
Karsticles
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/koch-brothers-obamacare-house-republicans-236389
GOP is fighting within themselves. ROFL
GOP is fighting within themselves. ROFL
According to the CBO, thats actually better for us sadly
Vestal
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Can this week get any better? This is GLORIOUS!
Master Yoshi
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LudicrousSpeed
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No, this bill includes both the repeal and the replacement. There are a number of Republicans who are opposed to an outright repeal or a repeal with a time-limit to give them time to pass a replacement, so the way they get the most people on board is one bill that both repeals and replaces.
There actually might be more opposition if you tried to bring a repeal-only bill right now. The way a repeal bill would have to be written, they would get only 1 reconciliation bill to do it this fiscal year, so if the Republicans used their only shot until 2018 to repeal PPACA, they would have zero chance of replacing it until they write next year's budget.
Likewise. There will be changes on the margins, but this is pretty much the shape of it.
IrishNinja
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*sigh*
always looking for the silver lining (even when people would literally die from this fuckery), best i can come up with is anti-trump momentum by 2020 getting us someone who just gives us medicaid for all or a likewise proper form of healthcare
Mackenzie 92
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I'm not so sure any version of this will pass-
Updated today.
In retrospect it's pretty amazing that Obamacare ever passed, the way our system is set up.
Updated today.
In retrospect it's pretty amazing that Obamacare ever passed, the way our system is set up.
When the money is talking, you know shit is real.
Something similar will not pass the Senate.
The margin is much tighter, and the revisions that I'm reading are terrible for moderates who had reservations about the bill we read last week.
I don't see how. Everything the Freedom Caucus hates about the bill is stuff that can't be changed in budget reconciliation.
hawkshockey11
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Well, the bill is done. When you lose the fringe and the moderates, you got nothing.
I don't know why I can't believe that, but I can't believe that.
"Optional" substance abuse disorder services in a country where heartland regions are writhing in the opioid epidemic. "Optional" newborn and pediatric services, so let's just not have kids. "Optional" laboratory services so I guess you don't really need to know why you're in pain. "Optional" hospitalization. How does that count as healthcare at all?
If you're a moderate Republican in a seat where Trump had a hard time in the general election, a bill like that somehow makes it through both houses, and the Indivisible chapter members in your district read the fine print after the Faustian bargain is done... like, how do you sell that kind of bill?
PepsimanVsJoe
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I thought she linked an article from The Onion or something.
"Can we just bar poor people from entering hospitals? Even if they work there or are delivering pizza."
There is no set time. They will vote when they think they have the votes. They could wait all day.
It's amazing that some of the no votes are because the bill still does too much to help people, not because it's a terrible bill.
TheCochese
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David H Wong
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I think you might be misunderstanding what they're saying; Republicans want people to have the option to buy very cheap, bare-bones insurance plans that are basically catastrophe-only. They don't cover anything except the "this will bankrupt me otherwise" situations and come with very low premiums. Under Obamacare you couldn't buy such a plan - in order to qualify as "having insurance" your plan had to include lots of things that some people insisted they'd never need ("Why do I have to pay for pediatric care when my children are grown and long-gone?").
From a libertarian perspective it makes sense, because it's saying consumers willing to take the risk (or who say they have the cash reserves to pay for other situations) should be able to. The objection of course is that lots of people will take the cheapest possible plan, then simply not pay after they have to go to the emergency room for a $5,000 infection.
Cesare Borgia
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They want to go back to a time where you could buy a catastrophic plan for $5 a month that doesn't cover anything. Remember around the time the ACA went into effect and thousands of people lost those plans and republicans were outraged? A return to that shit.
He's making the bill worse to appeal extremists, which loses him the moderates and ensures even if it passes the House it won't pass the senate. It's really like Trump operates in a world where nothing exists outside of the room he's in. He goes into a room to negotiate with the FC, meanwhile everything he's giving them is toxic to everyone outside the room. So he "wins" some of the folks in the room but ultimately makes no progress in terms of the vote count due to losing everyone else.
This guy is legit stupid.
Zantetsuken
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That's damn near everything we go to a hospital for.
Well, you could take the 2003 Medicare Part D vote as an example.
source: http://m.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/4/821644/-
Seems consistent with what I'm seeing reported elsewhere:
This is the Freedom Caucus, so it's the far right wing of the Republican Party (which is already a far right party in itself). They're the strongest block of No votes as they see the Trumpcare bill as basically "Obamacare lite".
Call your Congressmen, folks.
People think he's smart too. Who the hell knows.
ultratruman
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If Ryan wasn't appealing to the fringe or the moderates with this bill, who was he appealing to?
Yep. I can see him literally patting himself on the back: 'Welp, got them on board! Now I just have to do the same thing again with the Senate!' not realizing that he would make changes that would anger the FC after that... Going back to square zero
He really is a moron.
TheCochese
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He gets to try and claim to his base that it wasn't him that failed, but Ryan and McConnell.
And they'll believe it.
Republicans strive at normalizing mediocrity. It is the only way that their cancerous ideology can attract idiots other than being absolute racists.
Want people to hate the federal government, then lets run it as incompetently a possible. Easy!
Want people to be enslaved to health insurance companies. Lets make all health plans as bad as possible so that people will end up paying more money to get worse coverage. But free market, they can't complain cause capitalism! Socialism would kill you, just look at how incompetent the federal government is.
And the republican circle of evil continues.
Want people to hate the federal government, then lets run it as incompetently a possible. Easy!
Want people to be enslaved to health insurance companies. Lets make all health plans as bad as possible so that people will end up paying more money to get worse coverage. But free market, they can't complain cause capitalism! Socialism would kill you, just look at how incompetent the federal government is.
And the republican circle of evil continues.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Fine by me.
Best-case scenario: AHCA dies a miserable death. Trump blames Ryan for the shitshow, turning his entire base against him. Shortly thereafter, Trump & Pence are charged for treason and locked up. Now the base is stuck with Ryan, who couldn't make a sandwich if he had a piece of ham and two slices of bread.
Well, I can dream about it at least. =/
The GOP finally realizing they are dealing with peoples lives, and if there is one thing that will get people to vote (even on gerrymandered districts) is facing fucking hardships or loss due to healthcare coverage or lack of it.
It was so easy to shout "obamacare is bad" for 8 years, but now its their turn to bring out something better and more affordable, and that's just not possible.
They sabotaged Obamacare, but in the end they just sabotaged themselves because the only other options that makes sense if you want to improve things is medicare for all or single payer.
It was so easy to shout "obamacare is bad" for 8 years, but now its their turn to bring out something better and more affordable, and that's just not possible.
They sabotaged Obamacare, but in the end they just sabotaged themselves because the only other options that makes sense if you want to improve things is medicare for all or single payer.
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