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[Kickz]

This vote is definitely getting delayed, the turtle McConnell will pull it when he realizes it won't pass

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

So let's say this super last minute deal with the Freedom Caucus goes through, and they end up flipping "yes". Are there still enough "no" republicans to sink this bill in the House?

 

[EatinOlives]

So let's say this super last minute deal with the Freedom Caucus goes through, and they end up flipping "yes". Are there still enough "no" republicans to sink this bill in the House?

Chances for the bill are even worse in the House.

 

[Lo-Volt]

I think you might be misunderstanding what they're saying; Republicans want people to have the option to buy very cheap, bare-bones insurance plans that are basically catastrophe-only. They don't cover anything except the "this will bankrupt me otherwise" situations and come with very low premiums. Under Obamacare you couldn't buy such a plan - in order to qualify as "having insurance" your plan had to include lots of things that some people insisted they'd never need ("Why do I have to pay for pediatric care when my children are grown and long-gone?").

From a libertarian perspective it makes sense, because it's saying consumers willing to take the risk (or who say they have the cash reserves to pay for other situations) should be able to. The objection of course is that lots of people will take the cheapest possible plan, then simply not pay after they have to go to the emergency room for a $5,000 infection.

They want to go back to a time where you could buy a catastrophic plan for $5 a month that doesn't cover anything. Remember around the time the ACA went into effect and thousands of people lost those plans and republicans were outraged? A return to that shit.

He's making the bill worse to appeal extremists, which loses him the moderates and ensures even if it passes the House it won't pass the senate. It's really like Trump operates in a world where nothing exists outside of the room he's in. He goes into a room to negotiate with the FC, meanwhile everything he's giving them is toxic to everyone outside the room. So he "wins" some of the folks in the room but ultimately makes no progress in terms of the vote count due to losing everyone else.

This guy is legit stupid.

No, I agree with you both. I'm just incredulous that the leadership is seriously entertaining this idea. It's basically helping them get over one hump, and hoping they can survive the slow-motion disaster that the AHCA would entail if it passes (either by sounding a death knell for local hospital systems dealing with non-paying patients or with patients suffering from catastrophic illnesses because their plans were effectively useless). The suggestion that wellness services become optional is especially galling; the whole point of that is to lower costs for everyone by lessening the ravages of chronic illnesses later in life but I guess that memo ended up in the shredder.

Or they really hope this kind of tactic ensures the bill's ultimate death so Ryan and McConnell (especially the former since the speakership is so fraught with difficulty) can move on and avoid the painful slog Democrats suffered from when forcing health reform through. I mean, good luck there, guys.

The Freedom Caucus basically wants to roll back society as far as I'm concerned. Fuck them anyway. Everyone else in the party is counting on consumers to get overwhelmed by the subject, buy a bad plan because they can't afford anything else, and go bankrupt when they discover their catastrophic plan actually doesn't help them. Which was the kind of scenario Democrats pointed to when forcing the ACA through!

 

[massoluk]

He gets to try and claim to his base that it wasn't him that failed, but Ryan and McConnell.

And they'll believe it.

You know, fuck it. If not Trump, I'm ok if this harms the turtle and the fraud

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Chances for the bill are even worse in the House.

Haha, i mean I know any "revisions" that would get the Freedom Caucus would result in more moderate GOP reps to say no. But, in a magical worse case scenario where all the votes currently accounted for stayed the same, except for the Freedom Caucus members, would there still be over 23 GOP "no"s?

 

[Stinkles]

Trump Steaks
Trump Vodka
Trump University
Trump Casinos
Trump Hotels
Trump Clothing
Trump Ties
Trump healthcare
Trump presidency




We threw away three hundred years of arguable exceptionalism on an orange flim flam man because we're racist, lazy and value power over goodness.

This isn't even his fault. Forrest Gump wasn't to blame for the line behind him.

But I'm keeping careful tally of what the GOP has done since January. The press needs to remind them every time they give them an audience.

 

[GiantEnemyGoomba]

Is our legislature really about to make what I'm assuming to be significant changes to a healthcare reform bill and then vote for it less than a day later? Has something like that happened before?

 

[Sean C]

This vote is definitely getting delayed, the turtle McConnell will pull it when he realizes it won't pass

McConnell wants it to fail. There's really no other explanation for his handling of it; he's not doing anything to grease its passage.

 

[IrishNinja]

McConnell wants it to fail. There's really no other explanation for his handling of it; he's not doing anything to grease its passage.

you know we're in a weird place when i find myself appreciating something about mcconnell

 

[Tranqueris]

I really don't see anything getting delayed, there's probably more than a few reasons why they're trying to rush it through right now. The April recess/town halls and the budget fight coming up being a few.

 

[Stinkles]

you know we're in a weird place when i find myself appreciating something about mcconnell

bounce on him and chase him and collect the 1up.

 

[Beer Monkey]

McConnell wants it to fail. There's really no other explanation for his handling of it; he's not doing anything to grease its passage.

Despite what McConnell says about it, he knows that Kynect, aka the ACA exchange, aka Obamacare, is really popular in Kentucky.

 

[neurosisxeno]

(R-TX) Pete Sessions and (D-MA) Jim McGovern laughing about the fact that they're going to hold a vote on a bill almost nobody has read.

 

[Tubie]

(R-TX) Pete Sessions and (D-MA) Jim McGovern laughing about the fact that they're going to hold a vote on a bill almost nobody has read.

What a shitshow.

Does Ryan really think he can do what Boehner never could, and in record time?

 

[wesleyshark]

bounce on him and chase him and collect the 1up.

:lol

 

[Carn82]

at what time is the vote supposed to take place?

 

[neurosisxeno]

@DavidWright_CNN 12m12 minutes ago
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.@freedomcaucus chair Meadows on healthcare bill: "To say that we've got a deal, that wouldn't be accurate" -- says "agreement in principal"

Freedom Caucus might be on board.

 

[BriGuy]

Freedom Caucus might be on board.

So are Republicans falling in line again like always?

 

[Y2Kev]

The Republicans have no moral character! There is no reason to believe this wouldn't pass! And it will pass the Senate too.

 

[Mr. Giggles]

This will pass.

GL America

 

[Plinko]

This will pass.

GL America

Not the Senate.

 

[YourMaster]

Perhaps they need to introduce death panels. If you make everybody who's at least 60 years old go in front of a committee every 5 years that decides if you're healthy and productive enough to live, or sick enough to be put to death that would make their health plan cheap enough for everyone and actually reduce the number of uninsured people.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Freedom Caucus might be on board.

What does the proposal look like to get them on board?

 

[tbm24]

What does the proposal look like to get them on board?

Like a bill people outside the Freedom Caucus wouldn't want to vote for.

 

[Culex]

What does the proposal look like to get them on board?

Revised bill like Logan's Run, only Freedom Caucus doesn't have to be vaporized.

 

[Patryn]

What does the proposal look like to get them on board?

Posted above. It basically guts any requirement for insurance to cover, well, anything.

This way they can say that premiums are going down, except they're only going down because the insurance doesn't really cover anything at all.

From what I understand, however, while this increases chances of passing the House it decreases the odds of it passing the Byrd rule which is necessary for it to pass the Senate using reconciliation. If it's determined to fail the Byrd rule it will require 60 votes and immediately be DOA in the senate.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Like a bill people outside the Freedom Caucus wouldn't want to vote for.

Are we (and Congress) going to know what's being voted on before it is voted on?

Posted above. It basically guts any requirement for insurance to cover, well, anything.

This way they can say that premiums are going down, except they're only going down because the insurance doesn't really cover anything at all.

From what I understand, however, while this increases chances of passing the House it decreases the odds of it passing the Byrd rule which is necessary for it to pass the Senate using reconciliation. If it's determined to fail the Byrd rule it will require 60 votes and immediately be DOA in the senate.

Why does it decrease the odds of passing via the Byrd rule?

Nvm... did a Google search and got my answer. Because it would significantly impact the budget for more than 10 years.

 

[mclem]

Everything is optional
Everything is cool when you're in perfect health

Everything is optional
Everything is cool in the Trumpish regime
Everything is optional
'Til you've ruptured your spleen.

 

[Trurl]

If this passes I will be so pissed. Even if we assume that a backlash sweeps Dems back into power there is no guarantee that we'll ever get something as good as Obamacare again. We should be marching in the streets about this issue. The fact that it appeared dead, moved quickly, and existed in an ocean of other political outrages did a good job of preventing the kind of public debate this thing needs.

 

[bigred50]

This is why Trump is President. He's a master negotiator, and able to get things done.

 

[shawnbuddy]

Despite what McConnell says about it, he knows that Kynect, aka the ACA exchange, aka Obamacare, is really popular in Kentucky.

That's already been dismantled by our governor. We use the federal marketplace now.

 

[Aselith]

I didn't see this before. Hooooooly shit

 

[balladofwindfishes]

This is why Trump is President. He's a master negotiator, and able to get things done.

lol

If by "let pride and his own racism against a former president lead his party to ruin" is "getting things done" then by all means, Trump is a master at that.

 

[Dierce]

This is why Trump is President. He's a master negotiator, and able to get things done.

I have a Nintenda Switch that I'm trying to sell really quickly for $200, care to buy it?

Spoiler

Delusions will never change. That's is what you are getting with this 'healthcare bill,'

 

[Diablos]

I didn't see this before. Hooooooly shit

Don't ever get sick or have something unexpected happen to you in between jobs.

Freedom!

 

[Mr. Giggles]

Not the Senate.

I hope you're right.

 

[SillyEskimo]

I believe it will pass both.

 

[Aselith]

Don't ever get sick or have something unexpected happen to you in between jobs.

Freedom!

And also don't be alive because preventing you from getting sick is also optional. Basically, you have to pay money. For what? America.

 

[Ashby]

Don't ever get sick or have something unexpected happen to you in between jobs.

Freedom!

More like don't get sick ever. Insurance is all garbage.

 

[Plinko]

I believe it will pass both.

Almost impossible to pass the Senate at this point based on sheer numbers.

 

[Guevara]

So, we wanted universal healthcare.

We got universal health insurance. And now we'll just make that insurance coverage, really really shitty.

 

[Duxxy3]

Don't ever get sick or have something unexpected happen to you in between jobs.

Freedom!

I guess the bright side of that image is that you don't even need insurance any longer. Nothing would be covered. It would just be a massive optional tax with no benefit.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I believe it will pass both.

Ehhh... the Freedom Caucuses demands make it really hard to pass the senate, and it might not even qualify for reconciliation. If it doesn't, the bill is dead, no questions asked. If it does qualify for reconciliation, the margins in the Senate are razor thin to pass this. A couple of GOP senators from blue states or ones who just barely got elected going against it and the bill is dead.

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

What time does the vote take place if it does?

 

[Maxim726X]

Ehhh... the Freedom Caucuses demands make it really hard to pass the senate, and it might not even qualify for reconciliation. If it doesn't, the bill is dead, no questions asked. If it does qualify for reconciliation, the margins in the Senate are razor thin to pass this. A couple of GOP senators from blue states or ones who just barely got elected going against it and the bill is dead.

Who decides whether or not it qualifies for reconciliation?

 

[RPGCrazied]

Please fail, just imagine. Everything Trump has done has failed so far. The wall? Fail. Travel ban? Fail. This will be a huge if Trumpcare fails.

Master negotiator my ass.

 

[JohnsonUT]

Ehhh... the Freedom Caucuses demands make it really hard to pass the senate, and it might not even qualify for reconciliation. If it doesn't, the bill is dead, no questions asked. If it does qualify for reconciliation, the margins in the Senate are razor thin to pass this. A couple of GOP senators from blue states or ones who just barely got elected going against it and the bill is dead.

When it comes to Republicans, never put your hope in them doing the decent or rational thing.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

So, we wanted universal healthcare.

We got universal health insurance. And now we'll just make that insurance coverage, really really shitty.

That's pretty much been there strategy since day one, Obama care has been a Republican bill since it's inception. You can't get any more conservative and capitalist then a bill that was written by the insurance company themselves it's actually been amusing seen the Republicans actually being forced to pass a bill now that they are in control

 

[SillyEskimo]

What time does the vote take place if it does?

No official time set right now. The whips have a hell of a day ahead of them. I imagine it will not be voted on until the evening.