So let's say this super last minute deal with the Freedom Caucus goes through, and they end up flipping "yes". Are there still enough "no" republicans to sink this bill in the House?
I think you might be misunderstanding what they're saying; Republicans want people to have the option to buy very cheap, bare-bones insurance plans that are basically catastrophe-only. They don't cover anything except the "this will bankrupt me otherwise" situations and come with very low premiums. Under Obamacare you couldn't buy such a plan - in order to qualify as "having insurance" your plan had to include lots of things that some people insisted they'd never need ("Why do I have to pay for pediatric care when my children are grown and long-gone?").
From a libertarian perspective it makes sense, because it's saying consumers willing to take the risk (or who say they have the cash reserves to pay for other situations) should be able to. The objection of course is that lots of people will take the cheapest possible plan, then simply not pay after they have to go to the emergency room for a $5,000 infection.
They want to go back to a time where you could buy a catastrophic plan for $5 a month that doesn't cover anything. Remember around the time the ACA went into effect and thousands of people lost those plans and republicans were outraged? A return to that shit.
He's making the bill worse to appeal extremists, which loses him the moderates and ensures even if it passes the House it won't pass the senate. It's really like Trump operates in a world where nothing exists outside of the room he's in. He goes into a room to negotiate with the FC, meanwhile everything he's giving them is toxic to everyone outside the room. So he "wins" some of the folks in the room but ultimately makes no progress in terms of the vote count due to losing everyone else.
This guy is legit stupid.
You know, fuck it. If not Trump, I'm ok if this harms the turtle and the fraudHe gets to try and claim to his base that it wasn't him that failed, but Ryan and McConnell.
And they'll believe it.
Haha, i mean I know any "revisions" that would get the Freedom Caucus would result in more moderate GOP reps to say no. But, in a magical worse case scenario where all the votes currently accounted for stayed the same, except for the Freedom Caucus members, would there still be over 23 GOP "no"s?Chances for the bill are even worse in the House.
McConnell wants it to fail. There's really no other explanation for his handling of it; he's not doing anything to grease its passage.This vote is definitely getting delayed, the turtle McConnell will pull it when he realizes it won't pass
McConnell wants it to fail. There's really no other explanation for his handling of it; he's not doing anything to grease its passage.
you know we're in a weird place when i find myself appreciating something about mcconnell
McConnell wants it to fail. There's really no other explanation for his handling of it; he's not doing anything to grease its passage.
:lolbounce on him and chase him and collect the 1up.
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.@freedomcaucus chair Meadows on healthcare bill: "To say that we've got a deal, that wouldn't be accurate" -- says "agreement in principal"
So are Republicans falling in line again like always?Freedom Caucus might be on board.
This will pass.
GL America
Freedom Caucus might be on board.
Like a bill people outside the Freedom Caucus wouldn't want to vote for.What does the proposal look like to get them on board?
What does the proposal look like to get them on board?
What does the proposal look like to get them on board?
Like a bill people outside the Freedom Caucus wouldn't want to vote for.
Posted above. It basically guts any requirement for insurance to cover, well, anything.
This way they can say that premiums are going down, except they're only going down because the insurance doesn't really cover anything at all.
From what I understand, however, while this increases chances of passing the House it decreases the odds of it passing the Byrd rule which is necessary for it to pass the Senate using reconciliation. If it's determined to fail the Byrd rule it will require 60 votes and immediately be DOA in the senate.
Everything is optional
Everything is cool when you're in perfect health
Despite what McConnell says about it, he knows that Kynect, aka the ACA exchange, aka Obamacare, is really popular in Kentucky.
This is why Trump is President. He's a master negotiator, and able to get things done.
This is why Trump is President. He's a master negotiator, and able to get things done.
Don't ever get sick or have something unexpected happen to you in between jobs.I didn't see this before. Hooooooly shit
Not the Senate.
Don't ever get sick or have something unexpected happen to you in between jobs.
Freedom!
More like don't get sick ever. Insurance is all garbage.Don't ever get sick or have something unexpected happen to you in between jobs.
Freedom!
I believe it will pass both.
Don't ever get sick or have something unexpected happen to you in between jobs.
Freedom!
I believe it will pass both.
Ehhh... the Freedom Caucuses demands make it really hard to pass the senate, and it might not even qualify for reconciliation. If it doesn't, the bill is dead, no questions asked. If it does qualify for reconciliation, the margins in the Senate are razor thin to pass this. A couple of GOP senators from blue states or ones who just barely got elected going against it and the bill is dead.
Ehhh... the Freedom Caucuses demands make it really hard to pass the senate, and it might not even qualify for reconciliation. If it doesn't, the bill is dead, no questions asked. If it does qualify for reconciliation, the margins in the Senate are razor thin to pass this. A couple of GOP senators from blue states or ones who just barely got elected going against it and the bill is dead.
So, we wanted universal healthcare.
We got universal health insurance. And now we'll just make that insurance coverage, really really shitty.
What time does the vote take place if it does?