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[Cornballer]

The somewhat amusing thing about this is that Cinemax refused to admit that it was dead until this interview yesterday:

I bring bad news.

- TVLine: The Knick Season 3 Update: 'I've Heard It's Done,' Co-Star Says.

Although there’s no official word from Cinemax, it appears unlikely the Clive Owen-starring medical drama will return for a third season, according to This Is Us star Chris Sullivan, who played The Knick‘s gruff ambulance driver Tom Cleary.

“Yeah, I’ve heard it’s done,” Sullivan told TVLine on the PaleyFest red carpet. “They were gonna try [to do a third season], but I’ve heard it’s done.”

The network did order a script for a possible Season 3 premiere, and Soderbergh even said last July he was still planning to do a third season. But with the last episode airing way back in December 2015 and cast members like Sullivan moving on to new projects, it seems safe to say The Knick is headed for the TV morgue.

Sullivan now stars as Kate’s boyfriend Toby on NBC’s hit family drama This Is Us, and he looks and sounds so different — clean-shaven, no Irish accent — that even The Knick fans don’t recognize him. But he still credits the Cinemax drama with kick-starting his acting career: “I was very proud of that show. And everything I’ve done since then is directly because of that show. So I’m very thankful to Steven Soderbergh and the whole crew.”

Once that was out, they hurriedly put out the press release today.

 

[Coolluck]

I have no idea why HBO never picked this up.

Maybe they thought it was too close to Boardwalk Empire as far as the timeframe went?

 

[WinterIsComing]

Amazing series, I could've done with a S3, but who knows what would come out. This way it stays perfect.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

OMG will this finally be it for 2Broke!?!?!

 

[Grizzlyjin]

The Knick was too good for this world.

 

[dead souls]

Goodbye The Knick, you won't really be missed.

edit: The Knick was always well directed/acted trash due to the extremely weak writing. The scripts were prestige drama-by-numbers.

 

[kevin1025]

- CBS Renews 5 Freshman & 11 Returning Series, Including ‘MacGyver’, ‘Superior Donuts’, ‘Life In Pieces’ & ‘Hawaii Five-0’

If you like CBS, you get more CBS!

Everyone is ruining crazy May renewal week, I don't like it!

- Deadline: ‘The Knick’ Canceled After 2 Seasons As Cinemax Focuses On Action Dramas

I figured the interview was just a simple misunderstanding, since the show had always meant to jump 20 years every two seasons, so none of the cast could feasibly jump over. Now that it's officially done, sadness has set in.

 

[ezekial45]

- Deadline: ‘The Knick’ Canceled After 2 Seasons As Cinemax Focuses On Action Dramas

This is especially sad after how much of a fucking downer (tonally, as it was pretty excellent) the last season was.

 

[Pachimari]

I just finished Iron Fist and I really enjoyed it. It had its weak points for sure but I really hope Netflix renews it for a second season, and that everybody gets enough preparation time.

 

[Rhaknar]

I just finished Iron Fist and I really enjoyed it. It had its weak points for sure but I really hope Netflix renews it for a second season, and that everybody gets enough preparation time.

there is no chance it doesnt get another season, no matter how panned it was. If that continues in the second season, thats another story (and who knows if / when the Marvel bubble will burst) but for now, if JJ and Cage got a second season, this will aswell for sure.

 

[Joni]

- CBS Renews 5 Freshman & 11 Returning Series, Including ‘MacGyver’, ‘Superior Donuts’, ‘Life In Pieces’ & ‘Hawaii Five-0’

I think Criminal Minds is dead as a franchise.

 

[TheOddOne]

13 Reasons Why is getting some good reviews. Kind of surprised.

 

[dead souls]

13 Reasons Why is getting some good reviews. Kind of surprised.

Yeah, I noticed that as well. I still don't think I'll watch it right away, but maybe if I'm really bored in the summer I'll check it out.

 

[Stumpokapow]

13 Reasons Why is getting some good reviews. Kind of surprised.

I think critics have a very hard time, collectively, are drawn to moving and emotional stories. But they also, collectively, do a poor job at being able to separate earned emotional stories from pandering schmaltz. I admit that I'm probably on the wrong side myself sometimes (I think Parenthood worked until the very end . . . . . .) I feel safe making a collective judgment because there is a pretty well documented herd mentality here. Not what some people would say where critics are all biased morons, but rather that I think most people go in giving something the benefit of the doubt, form a provisional conclusion, and then through talking with others or reading others that they respect, update this conclusion. Bayesian reasoning. And that would lead you to this same kind of thing where people cluster around generally accepted wisdom because it reinforces their first take. I have specifically noticed this when it comes to being able to call out stuff that is just over the top emotionally manipulative. It's also something people will inoculate against over time as well, so to some extent it reflects TV's relative immaturity as a medium compared to film.

Then again, critics thought Go Ask Alice was a devastating portrayal of teenage experience and drugs rather than a hackeneyed anti-drug propaganda piece written by someone with you better believe has at least 10 pet cats. And most of the major TV critics are actually on the older end--Sepinwall is in his 40s! So it could just be that everyone is suckered into teenage tragedy porn. "Oh This Really Tells A Story About What It Is Like To Be A Teenager" why are you saying this you were a teenager when Eisenhower was president

I say this having not seen 13 Reasons Why but being genuinely mortified by reading a summary of the novel.

 

[Saty]

we have decided to return Cinemax to its original primetime series fare of high-octane action dramas, many of which will be internationally co-produced.”

What does that mean for a Quarry renewal?

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I think it's weird that HBO didn't/wouldn't find a spot for The Knick on their lineup. Even though they're not in dire straits like they were a year ago, they're still not out of the woods just yet.

Ah well.

What does that mean for a Quarry renewal?

They're retooling Outcast to fit more into that vein, so it's possible they're mulling the idea for Quarry as well. Still, I think a renewal is a long shot at this point. I don't think it's coming back.

 

[Saty]

If so, it better gets saved by other network/streaming service. They bend their back backwards to save C-tier shows.

 

[kevin1025]

What does that mean for a Quarry renewal?

They're retooling Outcast to fit more into that vein, so it's possible they're mulling the idea for Quarry as well. Still, I think a renewal is a long shot at this point. I don't think it's coming back.

Since Logan Marshall-Green joined the Damnation pilot with Aden Young and Sarah Jones on the USA Network, my expectations for a new season of Quarry is low, sadly.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Since Logan Marshall-Green joined the Damnation pilot with Aden Young and Sarah Jones on the USA Network, my expectations for a new season of Quarry is low, sadly.

Jodi Balfour has also joined another (Cinemax) show called Rellik and Greg Yaitanes is doing the unibomber series for Discovery. So.

 

[Decado]

They're retooling Outcast to fit more into that vein, so it's possible they're mulling the idea for Quarry as well. Still, I think a renewal is a long shot at this point. I don't think it's coming back.

Quarry is a much closer fit to what they are looking for already. I don't get why they wouldn't renew it. Can Outcast if needed. It was mediocre by cable standards.

Annoying as Cinemax will literally have nothing of note without Quarry. Their movie selection sucks ass, too, as it is essentially a repeat of Netflix (in Canada, anyway).

 

[Cornballer]

Quarry is a much closer fit to what they are looking for already. I don't get why they wouldn't renew it. .

It's expensive, no one watches it, and it doesn't have much traction internationally. They want more shows like Strike Back where it's a relatively inexpensive co-production with guns and boobs.

 

[Decado]

It's expensive, no one watches it, and it doesn't have much traction internationally. They want more shows like Strike Back where it's a relatively inexpensive co-production with guns and boobs.

Would have thought the major expense is paid for. Can't cost as much to continue? The ratings were bad? :-( Sucks.

At least do another season while we wait for the co-productions. Those will take a while. Would love more shows like Banshee and Strike Back, though, tbh.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Quarry is a much closer fit to what they are looking for already. I don't get why they wouldn't renew it. Can Outcast if needed. It was mediocre by cable standards.

Annoying as Cinemax will literally have nothing of note without Quary. Their movie selection sucks ass, too as it is essentially a repeat of Netflix (in Canada, anyway).

Well, yeah. It's already got a nice and solid pulpy, action backbone. They could just double down on the action and it'd be a perfect fit with their new directive. I think the main reason they're stalling is because of the budget. Cinemax is really into "cost effective" stuff these days and the current iteration of Quarry doesn't really fit in with that.

They've got the second reboot of Strike Back coming up next year, along with a Hunted-esque thriller called Rellik. Both international co-productions. They're also working on a new animated Mike Judge series about country music (which just screams "Cinemax!", doesn't it?).

They've also got Warrior in the works, which will probably be their only homegrown drama series after they can Outcast (assuming it doesn't perform well in season 2). I'm pretty sure all their other pilots are dead (Micronesian Blues, The Boys).

 

[Cornballer]

- ‘Lucifer’ Season 3 To Be Supersized After 4 Season 2 Episodes Migrate To 2017-18

 

[Grizzlyjin]

- ‘Lucifer’ Season 3 To Be Supersized After 4 Season 2 Episodes Migrate To 2017-18

Weird, but makes sense. When I saw Lucifer was returning on May 1st, I was shocked. Same for Gotham too. Finishing up the season in mid June seems a bit ridiculous.

 

[firehawk12]

- ‘Lucifer' Season 3 To Be Supersized After 4 Season 2 Episodes Migrate To 2017-18

What the hell is Fox doing with this scheduling. They might as well just do 13 episode seasons and rotate them.

 

[morningbus]

This is almost standard Fox procedure to bank episodes. They did it to Futurama and American Dad so much they ended up basically getting a whole extra season out of each,

 

[iceblade997]

Well, yeah. It's already got a nice and solid pulpy, action backbone. They could just double down on the action and it'd be a perfect fit with their new directive. I think the main reason they're stalling is because of the budget. Cinemax is really into "cost effective" stuff these days and the current iteration of Quarry doesn't really fit in with that.

They've got the second reboot of Strike Back coming up next year, along with a Hunted-esque thriller called Rellik. Both international co-productions. They're also working on a new animated Mike Judge series about country music (which just screams "Cinemax!", doesn't it?).

They've also got Warrior in the works, which will probably be their only homegrown drama series after they can Outcast (assuming it doesn't perform well in season 2). I'm pretty sure all their other pilots are dead (Micronesian Blues, The Boys).

I mean - is this because of HBO or something?

It seems like they've really been struggling to find their niche as of late (2012 or so till now) but don't stick around long enough to reap the rewards, and it's a shame because the stuff they put out has been really good.

And didn't those get slated for, like, "not just the pilot", not too long ago? IIRC they seemed relatively invested in the both of them?

 

[RatskyWatsky]

According to a recent Deadline article, Netflix has essentially (but not officially) renewed Grace and Frankie for a fourth season.

 

[Dan]

How did Quarry: S1 wrap up? Cliffhanger, relative resolution, etc. I never found the time to get to it.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

How did Quarry: S1 wrap up? Cliffhanger, relative resolution, etc. I never found the time to get to it.

It ended pretty conclusively, though it left things open for a second season. No cliffhangers or anything, thankfully. (that I can recall, anyway)

 

[berzeli]

How did Quarry: S1 wrap up? Cliffhanger, relative resolution, etc. I never found the time to get to it.

It wrapped up most of the arcs. Including the "whatever happened in Vietnam" arc that went on way too fucking long.
Urgh, that arc was the perfect example of how to not do season long mysteries.

It also left a bunch of stuff open for another season. There is one thing that might be construed as a cliffhanger but nothing major.

edit: of course Ratsky beats me to it.

 

[LFMartins86]

I think Criminal Minds is dead as a franchise.

They fucked up this season. Losing 2 of the original cast was rough and the arc for the season isn't good, especially what they are doing to Spencer.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

edit: of course Ratsky beats me to it.

I mean - is this because of HBO or something?

It seems like they've really been struggling to find their niche as of late (2012 or so till now) but don't stick around long enough to reap the rewards, and it's a shame because the stuff they put out has been really good.

And didn't those get slated for, like, "not just the pilot", not too long ago? IIRC they seemed relatively invested in the both of them?

Pretty much. HBO and Cinemax are overseen by the same people, and they clearly want to devote the majority of their programming budget to HBO, so Cinemax is sort of left with the scraps. HBO's previous programming president let things get way too out of control at both networks, so the new dude Casey Bloys is doing his best to try and get things back on track.

I feel like they completely bungled Cinemax, to be honest. They started well with Strike Back in late summer of 2011, then Hunted in fall 2012, and Banshee in early 13. Then Hunted was cancelled (the dark side of international co-productions - what happens when a show is a success in one country but a failure in the other? It gets fucked. I believe that it was this failure that prompted them to move away from doing international co-productions). Then they didn't launch their next new show until late summer 2014 (The Knick, which was expensive and off brand). They didn't do anything new in 2015. Then Outcast in June of 16 and Quarry in September. 7 years in and they've completely failed to build a stable audience, despite having a slate of consistently good shows.

I don't think any of them were ordered to series - I believe they were all script orders. The Boys was announced in April 2016; Scarlet, June 2016; Micronesian Blues, August 2016. The new "cost effective + high octane + international co-production" directive was announced in December of 2016 (to go into effect beginning in 2018), and in the Deadline article, they mentioned that they were only aiming to have "one homegrown Banshee level series" on the air per year, with the first most likely being Warrior, which they seem to be very high on. Given what we know, I'm assuming that means the other shows they announced last year are dead (or at least put on the back burner).

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Amazing Race already got banished to Fridays for some odd reason; I can see CBS cancelling it.

Next season is already filmed I think.

 

[dead souls]

It's expensive, no one watches it, and it doesn't have much traction internationally. They want more shows like Strike Back where it's a relatively inexpensive co-production with guns and boobs.

Yep. I'd watch another season of Quarry but I'm like 99% certain it's a goner.

This is almost standard Fox procedure to bank episodes. They did it to Futurama and American Dad so much they ended up basically getting a whole extra season out of each,

They did this to Bones on more than one occasion too. Lucifer fans should be happy--it just means less repeats next season.

 

[B33]

Goodbye The Knick, you won't really be missed.

edit: The Knick was always well directed/acted trash due to the extremely weak writing. The scripts were prestige drama-by-numbers.

This is a Bad Opinion™

 

[Dan]

It ended pretty conclusively, though it left things open for a second season. No cliffhangers or anything, thankfully. (that I can recall, anyway)

It wrapped up most of the arcs. Including the "whatever happened in Vietnam" arc that went on way too fucking long.
Urgh, that arc was the perfect example of how to not do season long mysteries.

It also left a bunch of stuff open for another season. There is one thing that might be construed as a cliffhanger but nothing major.

edit: of course Ratsky beats me to it.

Gotcha, thanks. I'll see if I can get to it someday.

 

[Pixieking]

I'd be happy to see the end of Elementary, as long as it ended in a decent (not-Castle) way. It's now as generic a detective show as the CSIs or NCISs, with none of the unique flavour of what makes Holmes (and the early seasons) interesting. Just kill it already, and let us have 4 decent seasons and one "okay".

 

[Stumpokapow]

This is a Bad Opinion™

dead souls is a premium poster. He'd be on my top 3 GAFfers to have a beer with, absolutely. I think the combination of wit, intelligence, sincerity, hot takes, and truly baffling taste is very appealing to me.

 

[Chumley]

Goodbye The Knick, you won't really be missed.

edit: The Knick was always well directed/acted trash due to the extremely weak writing. The scripts were prestige drama-by-numbers.

I have to agree. The writing was trash, especially in S2, and kept it from reaching truly memorable heights. S2 was also such a complete downer for no real purpose that I have a hard time recommending it. A lot of amazing directing, cinematography, and acting but it didn't amount to anything. I walked away from it feeling "Oh. Well that happened."

 

[firehawk12]

Amazing Race already got banished to Fridays for some odd reason; I can see CBS cancelling it.

Next season is already filmed I think.

Because of the delay, they didn't cast for a season after this one yet like they regularly would, so no one knows. But the ratings must be bad if they're doing a stupid gimmick like purely random (well probably they mashed people up that they know would fight) teams.

Funny that Asia and Canada might be the only English language versions of the show still going though.

 

[Saty]

Looking at what networks fought for to give second life to and what shows remain on air, 'low ratings' should never again be a reason for canning a series.

Someone get Sundance to pick up Quarry S2.

 

[Norwegian Rudo]

Would have thought the major expense is paid for. Can't cost as much to continue?

When this is mentioned about shows it's almost always shows with big expensive sets that are used over and over. Other than the house, which can't have been particularly expensive, did Quarry even have any recurring sets?

 

[Norwegian Rudo]

Looking at what networks fought for to give second life to and what shows remain on air, 'low ratings' should never again be a reason for canning a series.

Someone get Sundance to pick up Quarry S2.

Shows that get picked up have something going for them: a passionate fanbase, international deals, critical reception etc. Other than Sepinwall, did any critics even mention Quarry after the debut?

 

[Penguin]

Is Powerless done?

 

[HamPster PamPster]

Poor Catch

I like you at least!

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Is Powerless done?

Scheduling is so screwed up.

 

[Danthrax]

Is Powerless done?

no ... it was pulled

they pulled last week's episode, too, which was supposed to air last night:

Powerless: Rerun of Trial & Error to Replace This Thursday’s Episode

 

[morningbus]

Is Powerless done?

I don't think so. They have an episode with Adam West coming up.