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Deadline: Ghost in the Shell will Lose $60M+
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BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
They even had a scene of her being all hot lesbian action that wasn't even in the film
if the story can hold up it'll happen.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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That CG bodysuit looks like ass tho lol
What I mainly meant though was that the "star power" idea usually has more weight when it's linked to an actor or actresses actual ability, not an interchangeable quality like attractiveness
She was definitely more human in Lucy. It looks like the director had her play Major more stonefaced for some reason, but even in the anime she's more expressive.
Dash_Riprock
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MHWilliams
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it does have that special Green Lantern appeal.
I mean you're holding onto yours too so what's the issue?
Tbf your avatar outs you as a blatant fanboy. Give it up.
I think with her Lucy was the film where she drew people to see it. She had just come off of Avengers when she landed that. Then before Lucy came out Winter Solider dropped and was a big part of movie and was awesome in it. She was HOT at that moment. Then people saw Lucy and whatever you might think about it that film did not keep the fire hot. After that she was in Jungle Book, Avengers 2, and few other roles but those are the movies people want to see that she just happens to be in.
I know some might say this hurts her chances for getting a Black Widow film but I don't think that's the case. That's still going to be a Marvel film and a large group of people will see it simply because it's a Marvel film. Look at Ant Man and Dr. Strange. Those actors didn't sell those films. That was brand alone doing work. I do agree that the pitch for Lucy is super simple compared to GITS. I would argue there is no easy pitch for GITS when it comes to any version. I don't think you can pitch any given episode of the series easily.
2Smashed4U
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To be honest, I really don't think America cares that much about whitewashing for it tank a movie. Maybe a movie with a boatload of other problems like Ghost In the Shell, but otherwise not really.
Hell even the article cited in the OP even disputed that it was one of the major factors behind it bombing.
Doctoglethorpe
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If Asians in general still like the movie how does that not prove how much of an overreaction the white washing issue has been. That isn't to say they still should have done it. Of course an Asian lead would be nice. But to use that as the sole reason to just shit all over it is ridiculous.
Frozenprince
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Lucy's trailer was simple and easy to understand. It has a simple pitch and a simple premise.
Explain the GitS plot from just watching a trailer.
That's what killed it.
Explain the GitS plot from just watching a trailer.
That's what killed it.
"Guys, the studio had no choice but to cast Sam Worthington & Jai Courtney as Tetsuo and Kaneda. It would've bombed even more if they cast asians."
yeah whenever I see a batfleck avatar in a movie thread I take pause, but with dash I don't have to worry
ultracal31
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Oh this is too good
darkistheway
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I pray that this kills any chance of an Akira adaptation.
sounds like good fan-fic
what's the opposite of star power?
EdibleKnife
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Stephen King talked about why star power was bunk a long time ago and I still agree with him:
Creative and interesting works marketed well matter a lot more than the starring roles. It's why unknowns can make bank with things like Chronicle and Cloverfield, Paranormal Activity and Saw etc. These are all movies that managed to grab people not by the staring roles but because people wanted to see more of what they got in the trailer. The star power ideology is such a simplistic, limiting way to view cinema and it's why execs keep making shit that looses them money thinking The Rock or Emma Stone is bound to fill up theaters. I still say GitS should have had an Asian actress in the staring role. But they also did nothing with the material that made the adaptation seem necessary. They didn't make it more interesting, they didn't make it daring, they didn't try and they lost money.
Entertainment Weekly said:
Creative and interesting works marketed well matter a lot more than the starring roles. It's why unknowns can make bank with things like Chronicle and Cloverfield, Paranormal Activity and Saw etc. These are all movies that managed to grab people not by the staring roles but because people wanted to see more of what they got in the trailer. The star power ideology is such a simplistic, limiting way to view cinema and it's why execs keep making shit that looses them money thinking The Rock or Emma Stone is bound to fill up theaters. I still say GitS should have had an Asian actress in the staring role. But they also did nothing with the material that made the adaptation seem necessary. They didn't make it more interesting, they didn't make it daring, they didn't try and they lost money.
BocoDragon
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I think they can. But you're right, they don't.
There must be some trait of Hollywood why they don't treat game properties with much reverence. They don't have to be artless trash, but that's seen as appropriate for that type of licensed property.
I have hope that someday there will be a "The Dark Knight" of game movies. Anime adaptations? Not this generation. Maybe never.
Black hole power. Sucks so much that sunk cost can't escape.
Was it CG? I watched BTS videos of her wearing it.
And the star power thing is definitely not as big of a deal as it was 20 years ago, but the male 20 and 30 something crowd still goes nuts objectifying the hell out of actresses with bodies like Scarjo's. I think it's gradually becoming less relevant, but were not quite there yet.
Unspeakable Evil
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what happens if you put two black holes of charisma in there?
you provided no sources or data to back up your statement of star power and just said "you're wrong".
The craziest thing to me about movies like this is the marketing cost. This movie was a clear bomb, but they spent more than the entire production cost on marketing making into an even bigger bomb.
Obviously revenue would've been even lower without marketing, but there is no way the $140M marketing brought in anywhere near $140M.
Obviously revenue would've been even lower without marketing, but there is no way the $140M marketing brought in anywhere near $140M.
CosmicGroinPull
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Bull. It doesn't look like a 180mil movie.
Dash_Riprock
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SinCityAssassin
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jack_package_200
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I'd believe it to be honest.
ScarJo is expensive and all that CGI costs an arm and a leg.
Still bafflingly stupid of them to greenlight the film.
Stepehen King articles for EW are the best
Wait until he 150 mil Gambit movie
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
As much as I'm bitter over how this film turned out I'm not surprised after having watched Producer of Dredd 3D, and The Grey Adi Shankars video on how a movie like Dredd 2 would be possible. Which brings to light just how hard it is to get a film financed...
https://youtu.be/kWP88WKVBKs
A film with what would be considered an obscure IP would hinge completely on its star power. What chafes my ass is why would you use an obscure IP to deliver such a boilerplate premise.
In the age of rotten tomatoes and meta scores, its harder to get away with tentople schlock unless youre a comic book hero*
*excluding Green Lantern and Fantastic 4 lol
https://youtu.be/kWP88WKVBKs
A film with what would be considered an obscure IP would hinge completely on its star power. What chafes my ass is why would you use an obscure IP to deliver such a boilerplate premise.
In the age of rotten tomatoes and meta scores, its harder to get away with tentople schlock unless youre a comic book hero*
*excluding Green Lantern and Fantastic 4 lol
they made a gamble and it didn't work. pretty much the whole industry runs this way. they were already sunk in so deep they hoped spending more would dig them out.
MHWilliams
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Massive Duck. C.M.
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Why would Japanese people care in the first place when they are the majority in their own country, where they have their own movie industry?
To them it's not taking a role away from a Japanese actor or actress, it's white people in Hollywood making an unoriginal movie using Japanese material.
Is it real? It always looks like a separate object to me.
And yeah, what you're saying about young guys and her body is true, but they can also easily see that for free anywhere, and not shell out 18 bucks to sit through a not-so-great movie.
We live in a world where facts are also as subjective as opinions didn't you get the memo?
Movies that are actually happening.
The loss in the title is based on the reported budget, which was $110M.
That said, I have heard someone on GAF claim that virtually every big budget film doesn't look like it costs what it was reported to cost.
I don't think people have a good grasp on what films cost, especially since production budgets are more than visual effects. Does the Revenant look like it cost $135M?
It's actually happening but it's not getting whitewashed.
It's getting hispanicwashed, and I'm interested in seeing how that'll turn out.
yes, the fact that she's involved in projects that earn substantial amounts of money so she earns a high paycheck for subsequent films.
Spike Spiegel
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That GIF helps to illustrate the biggest problem I ultimately had with this movie, in that the production was filled with too many moments seeking to achieve nothing more than mimicry of the original film. It brought nothing new to the screen except controversy.
Not surprising. This is a world where criticism is met with responses such as "why you gotta be so negative?"
Or "why are you a hater?", something someone once told me in acting class.
Discotheque
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how about they deport all these australian bums instead. except Joel Edgerton, Hugh Jackman, Russell Crowe and Guy Pearce. They've proved their talent numerous times.
the hemsworth brothers, courtney and worthington are awful.
HEY! Chris still has a chance. If Thor 3 has a black hole of charisma in there, I'll concede to your demands.
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