LegendofDragoonLives
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Is this the movie every white person complained about white washing while actual Japanese people in Japan didn't give a shit about who the lead was?
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Paramount Says Ghost In The Shell Flopped Because Of Whitewashing Controversy
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Read it again, they're not learning the right lessons fro this.
Dude just basically said you can't have an Asian lead in a movie for mass audiences. The lesson they will take from this is don't adapt Japanese properties, not don't whitewash.
I mean, I thought she was bad in (the unbelievably bad) Pacific Rim, but so was Charlie Hunnam and his career is still buzzing.
This is the movie where Asian Americans didn't appreciate Hollywood turning yet another Asian character white.
Yep and ScarJo was also in The Spirit...
Wasn't she just Samuel L. Jackson's (nazi ?) henchwoman in that? Never bothered to waste my time with that movie.
GuitarAtomik
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Lawd we've already been over this in this very thread. Native Japanese have a different context for this than Asian Americans.
Subpar Spatula
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Sci-fi thriller with shitty marketing flopped? OH MY GOD. I see they're trying to get any kind of word out that this movie exists.
Zoe
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She's not even American...
Ah, gotcha, thanks.
Another example of the lore argument is Quiet in MGS5: "Dude, she has to be almost naked all the time or she'll die!" Lol.
The general public wasn't aware of any controversy and they ran the numbers and found no more and no less Asians went to see Ghost in the Shell vs other recent movies like XXX. The average score given by Asians wasn't any higher or lower either. Same goes for all the other ethnic groups. It tanked because it's a bad movie. And while a bad Tomato meter may impact the box office slightly, people will go to watch what they want to watch. Tons of examples of poorly rated movies that make big money.
Yessss, the "words and deeds" argument. Producer Steven Paul was so deluded as to have made this exact defense.
old manatee
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I'm mostly white, and I've complained about the casting. I watch a lot of movies, and even my skinny craven white ass can easily observe that actors like Scarlett Johansson, Emma Stone, and Tilda Swinton wouldn't show up in non-ironic blackface, because that would be career suicide, but they will grab any Asian part that is on the table and people will handwave it away as savvy business. It's bullshit. There are so few big-name Asian film actors, and the few who make it have to first prove that they can break a board with their forehead. Fuck this movie. I'll watch it on cable 2 years from now, same as Doctor Strange and Aloha. I did rent Gods of Egypt from the Redbox, and I'm sorry for that.
Also, props to Rogue One for having a female protagonist and a diverse cast and being a good movie and making gobs of money. Also also Fate of the Furious and Black Panther day one.
What did he mean by this?
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Yes, why would actual Japanese people in Japan with Japanese media and a Japanese film industry with Japanese actors all the time care about Asian representation in the American film industry?
Yup. There are only two types of people in the entire world. White people, and "actual" Japanese people in Japan. You figured it out champ.
thank you for protecting the japanese against these filthy gaijin attacks
Whompa02
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Wow a "stay woke" card for people to easily throw up to block any conversation. That's great.
SuperStiltzkin
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Asians are the invisible Americans. Us Asian Americans simply don't exist. I wonder why people don't think we exist? It's almost like we're an underrepresented minority.
tearsintherain
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I believe THR article/video that thread references interviewed 4 Japanese-American actresses - women who were born in USA and are working in America - not actresses who were born and work in Japan.
Snkfanatic
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Yeah no...this really didn't work out well for someone earlier in the thread.
AnathemicOne
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We've had how many GitS threads so far? On top of that how many whitewashing threads of Asian Americans? Nothing is created inside a vacuum.
Zoe
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At least one of them immigrated. She talked about working hard to lose her accent only to be told by the casting people she needed a stronger accent.
People come into a convo like they have a fresh hot take, and it's literally the same dumb hand-waving drivel we've all heard before in every whitewashing thread.
The Omega Man
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I am OK with this, no proper amount of right casting is going to make these adaptations good, they just don't translate well to real action.
Edge of Tomorow would like a word with you.
GitS could easily have been a good movie with the right team behind it.
The reason it ended up the way it did has nothing to do with 'Anime not translating well to live action.'
GuitarAtomik
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SPOILERS:
Her actual character was Japanese when she was human and they put her brain in a white robot body.
Truth. Anime isn't any more untranslatable than comic books are. Someone could totally make an amazing live action GitS movie that respects the anime movie. That doesn't mean it would be successful commercially, but there's no reason it couldn't be critically.
Gully State
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We've had how many of these threads pop up over GITS this last week and in every thread, multiple people come in with the same drive by shit post that it becomes tiring reiterating the same explanation why their statement is false or ignorant.
As for my two cents, sure I wanted an Asian lead for GITS but the fault of this movie's failure was in promotion and overall quality of the product.. not lack of Asian representation outrage. The lesson here is to produce a better movie and properly promote it.
Wow I never thought of it like that. That guy wasn't actually based off anyone?
I think you misread who was saying that stuff
Angelus Errare
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Pretty sure he is real but his involvement is MASSIVELY inflated for the movie. He was one of those "I'm not racist myself, just don't bring up racism" type people. And there was one scene in the movie that never happened in real life. Hollywood quite literally made it up; it's the scene where he says something to the effect of "In this building we all use the same bathroom" in some booming voice/hero moment.
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