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[jviggy43]

Yeah...

People disappointed by Trump story expected too much
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What a bullshit response

 

[Shake Appeal]

Regular reminder that Maddow is a Stanford grad and former Rhodes Scholar who holds a Ph.D. from Oxford. (Hannity dropped out of two universities.)

She is not your typical cable talking head, although the way her show is constructed is kinda hacky and manipulative. Entertaining, though!

 

[slit]

They are both NOT newscasters but entertainers that feed into their respective user bases
It's not news

Even if that is true, you still believe she spreads as much hate and anti-science as Hannity?

 

[GuyKazama]

I doubt Tucker is that mad, he still has more total viewers than Rachel.

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/scoreboard-friday-april-21/327416

 

[Vicetrailia]

They are both NOT newscasters but entertainers that feed into their respective user bases
It's not news

Doesn't matter. The sole purpose of Hannity is to brainwash his base. He and his ilk are unique in that regard.

 

[LosDaddie]

After the tax return stunt she pulled, I really don't care about what she has to say

It's a mistake that should haunt Maddie for the rest of her career. She fell for the bait like a sucker.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

Yeah, she has to be completely perfect and never make any mistakes otherwise everything else she says and does is hogwash. Great way to keep a united front.

She proved she was a ratings chasing TV character with that episode, just like anyone on Fox News but she has a left wing gimmick

 

[faceless007]

She proved she was a ratings chasing TV character with that episode, just like anyone on Fox News but she has a left wing gimmick

Of all the moral offenses that Fox News personalities are guilty of, chasing ratings wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the list. So if that's the worst thing that you can say about Maddow...

 

[RiverShell]

Of all the moral offenses that Fox News personalities are guilty of, chasing ratings wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the list. So if that's the worst thing that you can say about Maddow...

Right, this ratings chaser narrative being pushed is hilarious when a lot of sex offenders seem to be working at fox "news".

 

[Stinkles]

I distinctly remember her saying it was impossible for Trump to win.

She is a talking head on TV and like all talking heads on TV she is just randomly guessing and sometime gets it right by accident and sometime gets it wrong.

Yeah if you ignore 100 years of political science and pretend you personally knew what was going to happen despite almost every single poll and respected pundit predicting the opposite.

Lots of hindsight scientists who just forgot to mention their prediction six months ago.

I'm mostly surprised (but not really amazed, since it's kind of a story in itself that the WH may have leaked them) that she recovered so smoothly from her appalling Geraldo moment.

 

[Lord Frieza]

It truly is ridiculous how people act like Maddow is even close to anyone on Fox News lol. I mean, hell, the tax return thing she deserves shit for, but Good Lord. The Beast of Both sides demands its meat, I guess.

I doubt Tucker is that mad, he still has more total viewers than Rachel.

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/scoreboard-friday-april-21/327416

It's pretty razor's edge, though. It's not at all impossible to see her pass him in time if she continues to keep that demographic edge. And that's also the more important demographic range overall, because that's generally the range that advertisers see as new and more active customers.

 

[guek]

Well, she's much, much better than Tucker Carlson. She does good work but her show format just doesn't work for me.

 

[Rentahamster]

Sensationalism works, folks.

Lots of hindsight scientists who just forgot to mention their prediction six months ago.

I mentioned mine 18 months ago!

It truly is ridiculous how people act like Maddow is even close to anyone on Fox News lol. I mean, hell, the tax return thing she deserves shit for, but Good Lord. The Beast of Both sides demands its meat, I guess.

It's not a one to one equivalence; historically speaking, Fox News is guilty of worse. However, Maddow's recent foray into sensationalism, Beck-esque speculative dot connecting, and encouragement of hostile escalation with a nuclear superpower is a little disappointing.

 

[digdug2k]

Yeah I remember her painstakingly explaining it would be mathematically impossible for Trump to win. She really counted those numbers.

Do you have some sort of policy of never listening to anyone talk who's ever been wrong about anything?

 

[RustyNails]

Lets see, Rachel Maddow supports LGBT rights, criminal and drug reform, single payer solution and climate regulations. But she chases ratings so she's just as bad as Bill O'Reilly?

 

[Chumley]

Yeah I remember her painstakingly explaining it would be mathematically impossible for Trump to win. She really counted those numbers.

If you refuse to listen to anyone who's ever been wrong, you wouldn't be listening to anyone.

 

[Lord Frieza]

It's not a one to one equivalence; historically speaking, Fox News is guilty of worse. However, Maddow's recent foray into sensationalism, Beck-esque speculative dot connecting, and encouragement of hostile escalation with a nuclear superpower is a little disappointing.

To be fair, you also think Russian influencing our election isn't that big of a deal, apparently, whereas a large part of people will disagree with you there and think it is a very big deal. And the difference between her and Beck in their 'dot connecting' is that most of her's has been based on accurate information, where as Beck, in his heyday, literally just pulled stuff out of his ass. Not remotely the same, but the Beast needs its meat.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Lets see, Rachel Maddow supports LGBT rights, criminal and drug reform, single payer solution and climate regulations. But she chases ratings so she's just as bad as Bill O'Reilly?

Oh man, after that tax return thing, people were comparing her to Alex Jones lol. And MSNBC became just 'Fox News for the left,' which is equally stupid and laughable

 

[Regulus Tera]

Calling him just 45 is as useful and clever as the time everyone referred to him as Drumpf.


Lost faith in Maddox after that non-news with the tax returns but at least Fox News is being dragged around.

 

[totoro'd]

Good for her, i never miss her show/dvr it. And there's some salty ass tears in this thread wtf

 

[EatinOlives]

Lets see, Rachel Maddow supports LGBT rights, criminal and drug reform, single payer solution and climate regulations. But she chases ratings so she's just as bad as Bill O'Reilly?

You don't understand man, she hyped her show on Twitter for all of half a day! That's JUST as bad as anything Fox News casters have ever done!!!!

 

[Rentahamster]

To be fair, you also think Russian influencing our election isn't that big of a deal, apparently, whereas a large part of people will disagree with you there and think it is a very big deal. And the difference between her and Beck in their 'dot connecting' is that most of her's has been based on accurate information, where as Beck, in his heyday, literally just pulled stuff out of his ass. Not remotely the same, but the Beast needs its meat.

Not quite my position.

Russian influence in our election would be a big deal. However...

1. There is not enough solid evidence for the existence of collusion that Trump is being accused of that satisfies my level of skepticism.

2. In lieu of adequate evidence, that leads my suspicions to two other plausible factors -

2a. Sensationalism sells (media)

2b. Politicians and partisan pundits want to steer the conversation away from their horrible electoral performance and why. (cover your ass)​

It's not dissimilar to the Republican's strategy regarding Benghazi. The level of fervor was disproportional to the evidence. It helped the Republicans more than it hurt them, so why not do it.

 

[SeanC]

That's good, but right now she's on my shit-list with that whole hyped-up "We got Trump's Taxes! Seriously!" bullshit. Played right into Trump's tiny hands.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Not quite my position.

Russian influence in our election would be a big deal. However...

1. There is not enough solid evidence for the existence of collusion that Trump is being accused of that satisfies my level of skepticism.

2. In lieu of adequate evidence, that leads my suspicions to two other plausible factors -

2a. Sensationalism sells (media)

2b. Politicians and partisan pundits want to steer the conversation away from their horrible electoral performance and why. (cover your ass)​

It's not dissimilar to the Republican's strategy regarding Benghazi. The level of fervor was disproportional to the evidence. It helped the Republicans more than it hurt them, so why not do it.

Yeah, I'm not going down this road again with you. Your whole views on that are so off from the reality as things have unfolded, and I've learned it just turns into a whirlwind of nothingness. Just the fact that you would compare this to Benghazi tells a lot.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

Of all the moral offenses that Fox News personalities are guilty of, chasing ratings wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the list. So if that's the worst thing that you can say about Maddow...

I don't feel Maddow as bad her Fox News counterparts, but that doesn't mean I should still take her seriously after that self-exposal

 

[NoblesseOblige]

After the tax return stunt she pulled, I really don't care about what she has to say

Did you really care before? Given your history here I doubt it.

 

[Lord Frieza]

All it takes is one misstep and apparently you are downgraded to a combination of O'Reilly, Alex Jones, and old school Glenn Beck, and you're just as bad as Fox News.

 

[Shadow Puppetry]

No lie, she gets me so hot when she's doing the Russia ties.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

Did you really care before? Given your history here I doubt it.

I actually did used to occasionally watch her program

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

So happy for her! I especially love the way she opens a big story with backgrounds and such, its less like a news opinion program but rather more educational.

I only really watched her for the tax thing, but she spent 20 solid minutes just blowing air. I saw so many people defending her as providing context and background, but it was really poor. She just repeated her self a whole bunch.

What's this tax stunt talk all about? She got a leaked version of Trump's taxes. She tweeted a fact: "I have Trump's taxes". She tweeted to be more specific, "I have Trump's 2005 taxes"

She presented said Taxes on her show with proper context. And also rightly noted that they very well could have been released by Trump himself. Trump leaking his own tax returns is news. She also made sure to mention that the 2005 Tax Returns meants jack shit. And we need to still get his recent taxes with full disclosures.

I learned more about taxes. I learned more about Trump's taxes. I learned more about Trump. I was reminded how ridiculous it is that Trump has not released his taxes.

Nah man, she did poor. You don't go out saying "I have his taxes" unless you have some really high caliber report reading to go. Spending 30 minutes blowing air and offering 0 new information into his life doesn't do much for viewers.

 

[EatinOlives]

All it takes is one misstep and apparently you are downgraded to a combination of O'Reilly, Alex Jones, and old school Glenn Beck, and you're just as bad as Fox News.

These aren't people who ever watched, followed, or know much of anything about her so I wouldn't put too much stock into their ill-informed "hot takes".

 

[Elandyll]

I distinctly remember her saying it was impossible for Trump to win.

She is a talking head on TV and like all talking heads on TV she is just randomly guessing and sometime gets it right by accident and sometime gets it wrong.

Assuming the polls were even marginally correct (they weren't), she was right. Wasn't even the 538 estimate at something like 70% chance for Clinton - After- the very controversial "Trump effect" factor was applied?

Love her ... Wish I had more time to watch her show.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

The tax stunt was ridiculous but beating fox news can only be taken as a positive

the initial tweet was a bad look considering the fervor tied to those returns (another tweet was more specific), everything else was par for the course.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

I still slightly respect her after that shitshow, but refusing to even admit you fucked up irks me.

 

[NastyBook]

I actually did used to occasionally watch her program

And all it took was one fuck up to put her on your shitlist? Talk about being unforgiving.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

I still slightly respect her after that shitshow, but refusing to even admit you fucked up irks me.

THANK YOU

She still won't admit to doing anything wrong, insulting the intelligence of her audience

And all it took was one fuck up to put her on your shitlist? Talk about being unforgiving.

With so much news content out there like BBC, NYT, New Yorker, which I get most of my news from, I don't have patience for giving second chances to TV characters

 

[- J - D -]

In less odious times people wouldn't be so kind to her style of reporting. But good for her.

 

[The Albatross]

We used to think the narrative was that right-wing bad television "journalism" sells. Now we know it's just that bad television "journalism" sells. I'm glad FOX got bumped, but I'm not any more optimistic about anything.

Actually I take that back slightly. I am slightly more optimistic because this may reinforce the rumors about Rupert Murdoch's sons and the heirs of FOX wanting to make FOX News less right-wing conspiracy and more moderate-populist-centrist conspiracy. Which would at least be a drunken collapse in the right direction for humanity.

And all it took was one fuck up to put her on your shitlist? Talk about being unforgiving.

Well... it's not really one fuckup. I'm sure I'd like Maddow as a person (unlike, say, O'Reilly or Hannity), and we probably agree on most political issues, but her show [and every show like it] is trash reality TV mascarading as "news." MSNBC, FOX, and CNN are all trash and they're all trash, reality TV. Some are more trash than others, FOX is more trash than MSNBC, and MSNBC is more trash than CNN, but they're all trash. They're just so trash and so bad that we've accepted it as the norm, or we now think "Oh, this is television journalism" or "this is news." It's not news, it's reality entertainment TV that just calls itself "news." And because we think that reality TV is news we've elected a reality TV show host as president.

 

[aeolist]

Not quite my position.

Russian influence in our election would be a big deal. However...

1. There is not enough solid evidence for the existence of collusion that Trump is being accused of that satisfies my level of skepticism.

2. In lieu of adequate evidence, that leads my suspicions to two other plausible factors -

2a. Sensationalism sells (media)

2b. Politicians and partisan pundits want to steer the conversation away from their horrible electoral performance and why. (cover your ass)​

It's not dissimilar to the Republican's strategy regarding Benghazi. The level of fervor was disproportional to the evidence. It helped the Republicans more than it hurt them, so why not do it.

yeah the way people have been buying into the conspiratorial crap peddled by louise mensch and john schindler has really hurt political discourse, especially since anyone whose attitude towards russia is anything short of "cold war 2/ww3 immediately" gets accused of being in the kremlin's pay. maddow isn't as bad but she's definitely contributing, and it's not healthy.

 

[Codeblue]

Seems like yesterday.

I can't believe no one has done anything like this since.

Wonder if it's because they won't give them the opportunity. I think a lot of people who stepped in to fill Stewart's place are toothless, I don't think Noah would ever do something like that, but I'm confident Sam Bee would.

 

[soco]

We can still see strings of optimism in here that there's a TV news person that is NOT primarily an entertainer.

 

[K.Sabot]

still getting my side eye after that tax return hubbub.

 

[EatinOlives]

Well... it's not really one fuckup. I'm sure I'd like Maddow as a person (unlike, say, O'Reilly or Hannity), and we probably agree on most political issues, but her show [and every show like it] is trash reality TV mascarading as "news." MSNBC, FOX, and CNN are all trash and they're all trash, reality TV. Some are more trash than others, FOX is more trash than MSNBC, and MSNBC is more trash than CNN, but they're all trash. They're just so trash and so bad that we've accepted it as the norm, or we now think "Oh, this is television journalism" or "this is news." It's not news, it's reality entertainment TV that just calls itself "news." And because we think that reality TV is news we've elected a reality TV show host as president.

Her show is strictly opinion pieces and I don't think she's ever billed it as straight news with no slant. The slant is there, it's real, and she never really tries to hide it. Not sure what you're going on about.

 

[Lord Frieza]

We used to think the narrative was that right-wing bad television "journalism" sells. Now we know it's just that bad television "journalism" sells. I'm glad FOX got bumped, but I'm not any more optimistic about anything.

Actually I take that back slightly. I am slightly more optimistic because this may reinforce the rumors about Rupert Murdoch's sons and the heirs of FOX wanting to make FOX News less right-wing conspiracy and more moderate-populist-centrist conspiracy. Which would at least be a drunken collapse in the right direction for humanity.



Well... it's not really one fuckup. I'm sure I'd like Maddow as a person (unlike, say, O'Reilly or Hannity), and we probably agree on most political issues, but her show [and every show like it] is trash reality TV mascarading as "news." MSNBC, FOX, and CNN are all trash and they're all trash, reality TV. Some are more trash than others, FOX is more trash than MSNBC, and MSNBC is more trash than CNN, but they're all trash. They're just so trash and so bad that we've accepted it as the norm, or we now think "Oh, this is television journalism" or "this is news." It's not news, it's reality entertainment TV that just calls itself "news." And because we think that reality TV is news we've elected a reality TV show host as president.

Yeah, I am going to need some fucking receipts lol

 

[The Albatross]

Yeah, I am going to need some fucking receipts lol

I like that MSNBC being trash is ok, but CNN being slightly less trash than MSNBC really bothers you enough to "need fucking receipts lol." MSNBC is the crumpled up wrapper from your McDonalds cheeseburger; CNN is the same crumpled up wrapper but it has a leftover pickle in it.

CNN, despite being trash, has more actual journalists and a larger newsroom than either FOX or MSNBC. Don't get me wrong though, CNN is still trash, their television production is trash, and they do not present real news or journalism, but CNN actually has a newsroom and still has some small investment in journalism -- not just makeup, special effects, and actors.

Beyond their actual reporting desks, CNN generally ends up the least bad in fact checking, with FOX being the worst, and MSNBC splitting the difference:

NBC - http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/nbc/
FOX - http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/
CNN - http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/cnn/

 

[Lord Frieza]

I like that MSNBC being trash is ok, but CNN being slightly less trash than MSNBC really bothers you enough to "need fucking receipts lol." MSNBC is the crumpled up wrapper from your McDonalds cheeseburger; CNN is the same crumpled up wrapper but it has a leftover pickle in it.

CNN, despite being trash, has more actual journalists and a larger newsroom than either FOX or MSNBC. Don't get me wrong though, CNN is still trash, their television production is trash, and they do not present real news or journalism, but CNN actually has a newsroom and still has some small investment in journalism -- not just makeup, special effects, and actors.

CNN has been one of the leading voices and examples of the toxic 'both sides are the same' rhetoric that has helped to fuck up our culture. They give like 3-4 hours a day to fucking Wolf Blitzer. They are not better than MSNBC.

 

[Zyae]

After the tax return stunt she pulled, I really don't care about what she has to say

This is super logical.

Not quite my position.

Russian influence in our election would be a big deal. However...

1. There is not enough solid evidence for the existence of collusion that Trump is being accused of that satisfies my level of skepticism.

2. In lieu of adequate evidence, that leads my suspicions to two other plausible factors -

2a. Sensationalism sells (media)

2b. Politicians and partisan pundits want to steer the conversation away from their horrible electoral performance and why. (cover your ass)​

It's not dissimilar to the Republican's strategy regarding Benghazi. The level of fervor was disproportional to the evidence. It helped the Republicans more than it hurt them, so why not do it.

You know the FBI and CIA have confirmed that the Russians DID meddle in our election and it IS a big deal.

 

[zethren]

I don't expect Tucker Carlson to last too long. He doesn't have any personality that I feel like would draw people in, the way other right wing hosts did/do. He's just a confused looking man-child, that is always "just asking questions".

 

[EatinOlives]

I like that MSNBC being trash is ok, but CNN being slightly less trash than MSNBC really bothers you enough to "need fucking receipts lol." MSNBC is the crumpled up wrapper from your McDonalds cheeseburger; CNN is the same crumpled up wrapper but it has a leftover pickle in it.

CNN, despite being trash, has more actual journalists and a larger newsroom than either FOX or MSNBC. Don't get me wrong though, CNN is still trash, their television production is trash, and they do not present real news or journalism, but CNN actually has a newsroom and still has some small investment in journalism -- not just makeup, special effects, and actors.

 

[Lord Frieza]

You know the FBI and CIA have confirmed that the Russians DID meddle in our election and it IS a big deal.

I would highly suggest not going down the road with him. I promise you, it's entirely pointless.

I mean, it's not wrong, none of the three major news networks are very good, but putting CNN up as the best is dubous. MSNBC isn't great, but CNN really has done just as much damage, just in a different way, than Fox has to general culture and discourse of the country. I can't say that MSNBC has been some shining light in the darkness, but CNN was the leader in it all.