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nah.
Ok. Be unreasonable.
nah.
No.
Wilson Fisk>>>
You're comparing TV shows to movies, man.
Grant Ward is equivalent to Manu/Wells
Reverse flash is probably my favorite live action comic villian since TDK Joker.
Wilson fisk is not even the best marvel netflix villain.
Reverse flash is probably my favorite live action comic villian since TDK Joker.
? if you don't like the thread topic, you don't have to post lol. others have seem to complyDoesn't exactly address the point, does it guy?
You're comparing TV shows to movies. A TV villain should feel more fleshed out than a movie one. They've got a lot more hours to work with.
As it is, the MCU TV villains have been at least pretty decent, further driving home the point that they're working at an advantage.
That said, the MCU movie villains have problems that don't just stem from being film characters.
Yep.
It's him + Cold + Grodd vs D'Onofrio
I like D'Onofrio but he loses that fight. Kingpin was unimpressive in season 1. Though his prison scenes in season 2 redeemed him somewhat.
yah going to have to give me some solid reasons for Fisk being the best.
Man was a giant man baby. Not just by actions, but also appearance.
? if you don't like the thread topic, you don't have to post lol. others have seem to comply
That's only honestly way better sounding than what he's most likely going to be, along with the rest of the MCU movie villains: Forgettable.We can only hope for Thanos to get all the love. But he'll probably be painted as a Saturday morning cartoon villain who rides in a helicopter eating apple pie.
Grant Ward is equivalent to Manu/Wells
I was almost ready with a "No kidding villains who get to develop over 20-something episodes would fare better than one-shot villains" but even good villains can develop in two hours if you let them.
MCU spends so much time developing the heroes at the expense of their villains and it feels like they are never given breathing room because then they have to churn out the next superhero and the next villain. Like I've seen the criticisms about this over the years but it never really hit me until watching Doctor Strange recently, a movie I'm generally fine with that I WANT to love but can't.
CW villains are incredibly inconsistent with some being good and some being crap. MCU villains seem more reliably mediocre.
That said the Legends of Tomorrow scene ofopening up a crate of M4s for the English troops in the American Revolutionary War was great.Evil Rip Hunter
Which Ward are we talking about?? I think he's the best character on that show save for Coulson. Comparable to Manu/Wells on Arrow and Flash? It depends on the version for me.Hydra Ward or Hive Ward
Legends S2 was pure Saturday Morning fuckery. So good.
Malcolm Merlyn is terrible.
That fight with him against Barry, Arrow and Firestorm is still one of the best fights in all of comic book film/TV. RF popping the suit out of his ring and vibrating the nanomachines out of his body were both so sick to see.
Say what you want about the CW but they've done this character justice.
Anyone not familiar with this is unqualified to issue a verdict in this thread. This is the best villain on comic book TV:
That fight with him against Barry, Arrow and Firestorm is still one of the best fights in all of comic book film/TV. RF popping the suit out of his ring and vibrating the nanomachines out his ring were both so sick to see.
Ha, how quickly we forget:
Ha, how quickly we forget:
TV shows have a lot more time to flesh out their characters. The Netflix and CW shows also seem to have the main goal of providing a TV show for fans to watch. Marvel movies have a goal of selling merchandise, so it's in their best interest to focus on heroes to sell action figures, etc.
We can only hope for Thanos to get all the love. But he'll probably be painted as a Saturday morning cartoon villain who rides in a helicopter eating apple pie.
That is not a good enough reason for the lack of compelling villains in the MCU.This. You're comparing villains that have entire seasons to develop to villains that need to do so within a 100 minute film.
The MCU Netflix villains have all been light years past the MCU film villains for this reason alone.
Kingpin, Kilgrave, Cottonmouth, and Black Mariah were god tier.
The only real misfire there was Diamondback.
Edit: haven't watched iron fist
That is not a good enough reason for the lack of compelling villains in the MCU.
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This. You're comparing villains that have entire seasons to develop to villains that need to do so within a 100 minute film.
The MCU Netflix villains have all been light years past the MCU film villains for this reason alone.
Kingpin, Kilgrave, Cottonmouth, and Black Mariah were god tier.
The only real misfire there was Diamondback.
Edit: haven't watched iron fist
I rarely pay attention to the text on the screen at the beginning of the episode, so it ended up still being a surprise for me.It makes me annoyed they spoil guest characters in episodes at the start. Would have been even more hype to see Green Arrow and Firestorm out of the blue. Still a really cool fight and the ring was fucking awesome.
So what. batman got great development in all his movies along with awesome villains. Why can't I get that more consistently in a marvel movie.That's been talked to death. The MCU films are hero centric films. That's where all the development is.
The DCU films on the other hand have spent their time developing villains instead...mostly because the majority of DCU films are Batman films, and Batman has always been less interesting than his rogues gallery.
Ha, how quickly we forget:
So what. batman got great development in all his movies along with awesome villains. Why can't I get that more consistently in a marvel movie.
Ooo we definitely gotta agree to disagreeWe'll have to agree to disagree. There was barely any development at all for Batman in the first four films. There wasn't even a consistent love interest- vicki vale and catwoman both vanished never to be seen again with no explanation.
And the Schumacher films didn't have great ANYTHING. not villains, not batman, not anything. They damned near killed comic book movies single handedly.
The Nolan films were a step up, but Bale's Wayne and Batman were the worst thing about them. I don't think I've heard ANYBODY say that Nolan as Wayne was on the same level of being "definitive" and as well developed as Downey Jr was as Tony Stark or Chris Evans is as Cap.
Hell, even Paul Rudd's ant man is better developed in one movie than Bruce Wayne is in 7.