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Can we agree CW Villains> MCU Villains: Spoilers
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Ok. Be unreasonable.
Violence Jack
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AIDA > Ultron (But that's Marvel vs. Marvel)
Prometheus/Adrian Chase > Most MCU villains
Slade Wilson > Most MCU villains
But the rest, no. Not really in my opinion. Only Damien Dahrk and Trickster comes close to the first three I mentioned, and he's still 2nd tier. But CW villains don't come close to the Marvel TV show villains.
Prometheus/Adrian Chase > Most MCU villains
Slade Wilson > Most MCU villains
But the rest, no. Not really in my opinion. Only Damien Dahrk and Trickster comes close to the first three I mentioned, and he's still 2nd tier. But CW villains don't come close to the Marvel TV show villains.
Wilson fisk is not even the best marvel netflix villain.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Duane Cunningham
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Anyone not familiar with this is unqualified to issue a verdict in this thread. This is the best villain on comic book TV:
Ocarina_117
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Do the Netflix series count as the cinematic universe? If so Fisk tops all.
If not yes CW villains are better than MCU. Slade alone tops all MCU villains, Loki comes close.
If not yes CW villains are better than MCU. Slade alone tops all MCU villains, Loki comes close.
MugiwaraCole
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Doesn't exactly address the point, does it guy?
You're comparing TV shows to movies. A TV villain should feel more fleshed out than a movie one. They've got a lot more hours to work with.
As it is, the MCU TV villains have been at least pretty decent, further driving home the point that they're working at an advantage.
That said, the MCU movie villains have problems that don't just stem from being film characters.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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yah going to have to give me some solid reasons for Fisk being the best.
Man was a giant man baby. Not just by actions, but also appearance.
Man was a giant man baby. Not just by actions, but also appearance.
? if you don't like the thread topic, you don't have to post lol. others have seem to comply
Ignatz Mouse
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Purple Man >>>> *
Howver, on average I agree.
I have a big gripe with how such great actors get shortchanged as villains in the MCU. Christopher Eccleston and Lee Pace could almost have been played by stuntmen or extras. Jeff Bridges was underused. Mickey Rourke, Sam Rockwell, Guy Pearce, James Spader all should have been excellent.
in Winter Soldier was pretty good and Loki is great. Fisk is a bit overrated, but still pretty good, just not as amazing as he's made out to be. But at least he feels like a presence in the story, unlike most of these guys.
Also, Dottie and Whitney in Agent Carter get props, they were great.
Howver, on average I agree.
I have a big gripe with how such great actors get shortchanged as villains in the MCU. Christopher Eccleston and Lee Pace could almost have been played by stuntmen or extras. Jeff Bridges was underused. Mickey Rourke, Sam Rockwell, Guy Pearce, James Spader all should have been excellent.
Robert Redford
Also, Dottie and Whitney in Agent Carter get props, they were great.
this so much. prison scenes had me hype.
MugiwaraCole
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yah going to have to give me some solid reasons for Fisk being the best.
Man was a giant man baby. Not just by actions, but also appearance.
? if you don't like the thread topic, you don't have to post lol. others have seem to comply
I'm uhhh...talking about the thread topic, sir.
TV shows have a lot more time to flesh out their characters. The Netflix and CW shows also seem to have the main goal of providing a TV show for fans to watch. Marvel movies have a goal of selling merchandise, so it's in their best interest to focus on heroes to sell action figures, etc.
We can only hope for Thanos to get all the love. But he'll probably be painted as a Saturday morning cartoon villain who rides in a helicopter eating apple pie.
We can only hope for Thanos to get all the love. But he'll probably be painted as a Saturday morning cartoon villain who rides in a helicopter eating apple pie.
VeryGooster
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I was almost ready with a "No kidding villains who get to develop over 20-something episodes would fare better than one-shot villains" but even good villains can develop in two hours if you let them.
MCU spends so much time developing the heroes at the expense of their villains and it feels like they are never given breathing room because then they have to churn out the next superhero and the next villain. Like I've seen the criticisms about this over the years but it never really hit me until watching Doctor Strange recently, a movie I'm generally fine with that I WANT to love but can't.
MCU spends so much time developing the heroes at the expense of their villains and it feels like they are never given breathing room because then they have to churn out the next superhero and the next villain. Like I've seen the criticisms about this over the years but it never really hit me until watching Doctor Strange recently, a movie I'm generally fine with that I WANT to love but can't.
That's only honestly way better sounding than what he's most likely going to be, along with the rest of the MCU movie villains: Forgettable.
Which Ward are we talking about?
Hydra Ward or Hive Ward
sure we can say tv>movies duh but then you get movie villains like: Loki( he was awesome in Thor 1), Joker, Bane, and ect. I want to say Zeemo was awesome in Civil war as well.
Nabs
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Legends S2 was pure Saturday Morning fuckery. So good.
I'd lean towards the former. Season 3 just wasn't that great, unfortunately.
CalamityPixel
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Say what you want about the CW but they've done this character justice.
I want a Legion of Doom show, they were so much fun and I hated LOT S1; I did a complete 180 on the show.
Thea is that you
That fight with him against Barry, Arrow and Firestorm is still one of the best fights in all of comic book film/TV. RF popping the suit out of his ring and vibrating the nanomachines out of his body were both so sick to see.
Say what you want about the CW but they've done this character justice.
Anyone not familiar with this is unqualified to issue a verdict in this thread. This is the best villain on comic book TV:
Ha, how quickly we forget:
CalamityPixel
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It makes me annoyed they spoil guest characters in episodes at the start. Would have been even more hype to see Green Arrow and Firestorm out of the blue. Still a really cool fight and the ring was fucking awesome.
Ha, how quickly we forget:
In my opinion nothing else even comes close to this.
Ha, how quickly we forget:
Oh damn, you're totally right. Completely forgot about that thing. Easily top tier villain.
Manmademan
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This. You're comparing villains that have entire seasons to develop to villains that need to do so within a 100 minute film.
The MCU Netflix villains have all been light years past the MCU film villains for this reason alone.
Kingpin, Kilgrave, Cottonmouth, and Black Mariah were god tier.
The only real misfire there was Diamondback.
Edit: haven't watched iron fist
That is not a good enough reason for the lack of compelling villains in the MCU.
Manmademan
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That's been talked to death. The MCU films are hero centric films. That's where all the development is.
The DCU films on the other hand have spent their time developing villains instead...mostly because the majority of DCU films are Batman films, and Batman has always been less interesting than his rogues gallery.
Of the 7 batman films that exist, only one is really "about" Batman himself and that's Batman Begins.
The rest were all villain films with Batman playing second fiddle.
Remove the bat films and the DCUs record is actually worse than Marvel's.
We need more gifs by the way.
Best CW villain of all time. Eobard and Manu can't compare.
They also had time to crash. Kingpin is upstaged by Wesley once he meets that woman and Killgrave outstays his welcome. A bit like Damien Dahrk on Arrow he had too much episodes.
Best CW villain of all time. Eobard and Manu can't compare.
They also had time to crash. Kingpin is upstaged by Wesley once he meets that woman and Killgrave outstays his welcome. A bit like Damien Dahrk on Arrow he had too much episodes.
I rarely pay attention to the text on the screen at the beginning of the episode, so it ended up still being a surprise for me.
So what. batman got great development in all his movies along with awesome villains. Why can't I get that more consistently in a marvel movie.
Ignatz Mouse
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Ha, how quickly we forget:
Whole different ballgame right there. Practically everyone else is playing little league.
Except Kilgrave. He's on par.
Manmademan
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We'll have to agree to disagree. There was barely any development at all for Batman in the first four films. There wasn't even a consistent love interest- vicki vale and catwoman both vanished never to be seen again with no explanation.
And the Schumacher films didn't have great ANYTHING. not villains, not batman, not anything. They damned near killed comic book movies single handedly.
The Nolan films were a step up, but Bale's Wayne and Batman were the worst thing about them. I don't think I've heard ANYBODY say that Nolan as Wayne was on the same level of being "definitive" and as well developed as Downey Jr was as Tony Stark or Chris Evans is as Cap.
Hell, even Paul Rudd's ant man is better developed in one movie than Bruce Wayne is in 7.
Ooo we definitely gotta agree to disagree
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