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Trump proposes dramatic tax cuts for companies big and small, and other tax reforms

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Tovarisc

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President Donald Trump proposed dramatic cuts in the taxes paid by corporations big and small Wednesday in an overhaul his administration says will spur economic growth and bring jobs and prosperity to America's middle class. But his ambitious plan alarmed lawmakers who worry about ballooning federal deficits.

The plan would also reduce investment and estate taxes aimed at the wealthy. But administration officials said that action on other key tax code elements would ensure the plan would largely help the middle class instead of the affluent.

The White House has yet to spell out how much of a hole the tax cuts could create in the federal budget, maintaining that the resulting economic growth would reduce— if not eliminate — the risk of a soaring deficit.

The outlined changes to the tax code are the most concrete guidance so far on Trump's vision for spurring job growth.

"The president owns this plan; don't be mistaken," said Gary Cohn, director of the White House National Economic Council.

Cohn said Trump and his administration recognize they have to be "good stewards" of the federal budget. But the plan as it currently stands could cause the federal deficit to climb, unless it sparks a massive and lasting wave of growth that most economists say is unlikely.

The threat of a rising budget deficit could erode support for the plan among lawmakers in Trump's own Republican Party. Administration officials intend to hash out additional details with members of the House and Senate in the coming weeks for what would be the first massive rewrite of the U.S. tax code since 1986.

"We know this is difficult," Cohn said. "We know what we're asking for is a big bite."

As Cohn and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin explained it in an interview, the plan would reduce the number of personal income tax brackets to three from seven: rates of 10 percent, 25 percent and 35 percent. It would double the standard deduction for married couples to $24,000, while keeping deductions for charitable giving and mortgage interest payments. The administration plans to provide tax relief for families with child care expenses, too, although the specifics have yet to be included.

On the other hand, the proposal would also trim other deductions utilized by wealthier Americans. This would include deductions for state and local tax payments, a change that could alienate support from lawmakers in states such as California and New York with higher state taxes.

"It's not the federal government's job to be subsidizing the states," Mnuchin said.


The administration has emphasized that the plan was focused on simplifying the tax code and helping middle class Americans. The median U.S. household income is slightly above $50,000 annually.

Still, the proposal could reduce the tax burden for the wealthy as well.

It would also repeal the estate tax, the catch-all alternative minimum tax and the 3.8 percent tax on investment income from President Barack Obama's health care law. The proposal has yet to be vetted for its precise impact on top earners, as several details are still being determined.

On the corporate side, the top marginal tax rate would fall from 35 percent to 15 percent. Small businesses that account for their owners' personal incomes would see their top tax rate go from 39.6 percent to the proposed corporate tax rate of 15 percent. Mnuchin stressed that the change for small business owners — a group that under the current definition could include doctors, lawyers and even major real estate companies — would be done to ensure that wealthier Americans could not exploit the change to pay less in taxes.


Source: https://www.apnews.com/3949871153044f489975b46738e22165

Edit: GOP isn't pleased: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=234798682&postcount=110

Edit 2: Statement by Schumer: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=234802459&postcount=132

Other related news:
Mnuchin: Trump has 'no intention' of releasing tax returns

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studyguy

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Since I've been posting randomly in other threads regarding this waiting for a thread to inevitably show up.

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/857301555183308803
John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood)
TaxFoundation said Trump campaign tax plan, even w/"dynamic scoring," would expand deficit $390-B per year. Current deficit: approx $559-B

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/857285805106225155
TaxFoundation (dynamic scoring) on size of cuts in Trump campaign plan: bottom 5th - 8.1%; middle 5th - 9%; top 5th - 12.3%; top 1% - 19.9%


Between deficit hawks and dem opposition, I don't see how his tax plan isn't crippled or DOA coming out the gate. What morons cobbled this together?
 
So, if I understand this right (and please someone correct me if I'm mistaken), this would result in small tax cuts for most, massive tax cuts for the top 1%, and everything fixed with fairy dust and unicorn piss?
 

Trojita

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We are going to have another democrat president come in and again be blamed for the even higher increase in the deficit, aren't we?
 

Magwik

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There are 19 bullet points on that sheet, so you know Trump didn't read it.

Between deficit hawks and dem opposition, I don't see how his tax plan isn't crippled or DOA coming out the gate. What morons cobbled this together?

The people who wrote this didn't even know they were supposed to roll out today until a few days ago. Mnuchin was shooting for August at the earliest just a couple weeks ago.
 

eosos

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So, if I understand this right (and please someone correct me if I'm mistaken), this would result in small tax cuts for most, massive tax cuts for the top 1%, and everything fixed with fairy dust and unicorn piss?

I don't think there's really enough information to be sure of anything. By no means seems finalized. A 25% middle class tax would be pretty huge I think. And I think the current top tax is ~39%, so not a giant decrease there. Not even sure how much revenue estate taxes bring in currently.

Edit: Googled and estate taxes bring in about $20 Billion.
 
So, if I understand this right (and please someone correct me if I'm mistaken), this would result in small tax cuts for most, massive tax cuts for the top 1%, and everything fixed with fairy dust and unicorn piss?

This is my assessment. And along the way, we'll cut government spending on a bunch of stuff so the low- and middle-income families suffer further all while still not cutting enough to reduce our deficit.
 

Lambtron

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Between deficit hawks and dem opposition,
Deficit hawks only care about deficit spending by Dem presidents. I guarantee you they'll all line up behind this massive giveaway to corporations and the rich because it will "spur the economy" and the tax cuts will "pay for themselves."
 

Cat Party

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If he can do this without increasing the deficit then I'm cautiously onboard... but I doubt that.
Please don't fall for this shit. This is a massive shift of tax liability on to the middle class. They want to eliminate the tax deductions that we all use to survive so they can drop the corporate tax rate.
 
I don't think there's really enough information to be sure of anything. By no means seems finalized. A 25% middle class tax would be pretty huge I think. And I think the current top tax is ~39%, so not a giant decrease there. Not even sure how much revenue estate taxes bring in currently.

Says it goes from 35 to 15, that is over 50%, unless I'm missing something here.
 
If he can do this without increasing the deficit then I'm cautiously onboard... but I doubt that.

Not with the increasing overhead for the government, the inability to wave a magic wand to make Trumpcare not be stillborn, and still get the weighted to the rich cuts he desperately craves.

Mulvaney must be close to an aneurysm now or maybe he's just gave up and going thru the motions now. He works for a crooked idiot.
 

RPGCrazied

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Less taxes for the rich, poor people pay more. I hope this is when Trump voters feel the sting of their vote. I want it to hurt. They are hurting so many others by voting for Trump.

I have no empathy for these people, none.
 

Oersted

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So, if I understand this right (and please someone correct me if I'm mistaken), this would result in small tax cuts for most, massive tax cuts for the top 1%, and everything fixed with fairy dust and unicorn piss?

Its going to trickle down. This time for real.
 

Morat

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So quite apart from the morality, how is he going to pay for the massive increase on an already obscene military budget?
 

numble

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Less taxes for the rich, poor people pay more. I hope this is when Trump voters feel the sting of their vote. I want it to hurt. They are hurting so many others by voting for Trump.

I have no empathy for these people, none.
How do poor people pay more?
 

BriGuy

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We are going to have another democrat president come in and again be blamed for the even higher increase in the deficit, aren't we?
Hell yeah. Got to rack up that bill now so we can get good and angry when the democrats try to fix it. And after they do, we'll vote them out of office so the next Republican administration can begin the cycle anew.
 
If these happen, then 2 years later, we will be told that we need to lower taxes because thats whats causing income inequality issues.
 

cackhyena

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So, if I understand this right (and please someone correct me if I'm mistaken), this would result in small tax cuts for most, massive tax cuts for the top 1%, and everything fixed with fairy dust and unicorn piss?

That's the trickle down detail they never mention.
 

Inuhanyou

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"we can't be discriminatory"

fuck off.

by the way, he's also including a huge tax cut for rich people in general in his budget and almost no tax cut for the lower classes. So you can't even say its about 'job creation' or other such nonsense that already doesn't make sense, its just for the people he likes.

I hope the blowback is as big as the healthcare thing, that even now they are trying to pass.
 

Oersted

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Hell yeah. Got to rack up that bill now so we can get good and angry when the democrats try to fix it. And after they do, we'll vote them out of office so the next Republican administration can begin the cycle anew.

"They increased the deficit and now want our taxmoney to fix their mistake!!!"
 

Protein

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Trump is going to fuck the economy, the next Democratic president will save us from the inevitable recession, people will say she/he didn't do enough, say that both sidez are the saem, and elect another Republican. /Pendulum
 
Ugh... this doesn't seem very good for me at first glance.

My families' itemized deductions totaled almost 37k this year. Chopping that down to 24k would be bad.

I would need to know what brackets our income falls in to determine if we are screwed or not.
 
So, if I understand this right (and please someone correct me if I'm mistaken), this would result in small tax cuts for most, massive tax cuts for the top 1%, and everything fixed with fairy dust and unicorn piss?

Depends what they cut to try and keep this neutral. As a single person in the 28% marginal bracket now I'm skeptical I'll be paying less.

And 24k standard deduction for mfj? Just get rid of schedule a then for middle class. Nobody in middle class will itemize last that with out state and property taxes.

Ugh... this doesn't seem very good for me at first glance.

My families' itemized deductions totaled almost 37k this year. Chopping that down to 24k would be bad.

I would need to know what brackets our income falls in to determine if we are screwed or not.

That's not how this works. The standard deduction will go from 12k for mfj to 24k. Your 37k would be fine, but I'm guessing that 37k includes state and property taxes. So you will lose those.
 

Inuhanyou

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It's totally a good thing we didn't get Wall Street Fatcat friend Hillary as President am I right?

If money in politics continues to be a thing, it doesn't generally matter who wins as long as those interests have their claws in them and they represent those interests.

Either we get screwed a little at a time with the democrats or much worse all at once with the GOP.

My argument is that we should be rejecting all of these fools.
 
Trump is going to fuck the economy, the next Democratic president will save us from the inevitable recession, people will say she/he didn't do enough, say that both sidez are the saem, and elect another Republican. /Pendulum

There's no way a recession doesn't happen under Trump's regime.
 
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