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Microsoft Studios (& Partners) Current and Future Landscape

In regards to the social media and marketing engagement metrics thing that was talked a page back... it's hard to explain without going into assumptions of marketing and ATL logic, but I'll share my perspective ( ex-marketing for FMCG & O&G ) on why it's important.

First, you have to look at how reveals are framed for big games by big publishers. By and large, publishers put a lot of stake into how their initial reveal are pictured, because first reveals are traditionally the buzz generators and it's also how excellent media attention, awareness leaks out to broader mainstream awareness.

This is why established franchises like Call of Duty, Battefield, Assassin's Creed can easily own their respective spaces of how they want to initially reveal their games. They already have the brand credence, and that on its own generates the buzz.

New IPs, however, are more often than not revealed at big events like E3, because there is the fear that without the E3 tide, it may not get the attention it could have.

The long and short of it is...

The assumption that marketing folks make for audiences are that the biggest audiences are fickle, easily unimpressed. has low attention span and have very low conversion rate from awareness to interest.

This is why first impressions matter, and why poor social metrics, even out the gate matters.

Because if you botched the first reveal, or your impression to the broader audience of your first reveal is a "not interesting", or your first reveal didn't gain a big enough audience attention to carry forward to the second update...

Chances are you'll lose a chunk of your audience there and then.

The prevalence of open betas have given games more chances than before, but it's still a matter where it's really essential that your game can generate buzz on its own merit before relying on other tide factors like E3 or a 2nd big trailer.

Because 2nd chances are rare in terms of holding audience attention.
 

JlNX

Member
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What do you guys think? demo or killer instinct sequel, something about it looks to much like KI's engine to me. Maybe it is a tech demo but Iron Galaxy made it?
 

JlNX

Member
IDK but god I hope IG working on a new KI.

Well they have wound down production considerably since the last character came out in season 3 away back April of last year. This season 3.5 is characters made of old animation and assets, so they have to be working on something else.
 

rrc1594

Member
It's neither. It's a tech demo asset. Don't read into this at all. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.


New KI? No. New KI content? Yes.

Good enough for me was scared MS was going to kill support for the game. Wish they would use a new engine tho.
 

Papacheeks

Banned
God, every time I see this thread get bumped I HOPE there's some new info on a possible new project or something from internal studio or some kind of funded third party I get depressed.

Microsoft is just kind depressing to talk about for me. Especially after I Recently came back from buying some classic xbox games for my collection.
 

JlNX

Member
It's neither. It's a tech demo asset. Don't read into this at all. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.


New KI? No. New KI content? Yes.

I wasn't setting myself up for anything, I just found it very interesting that this has a very similar aesthetic to KI's engine that's all. What makes you so definitive on no new KI, you have proof? or a guess worded that way. Everything right now about KI's state in development points towards ramping heavily down on KI not new content, I don't see Microsoft dropping KI considering it has done well. Iron Galaxy have also talked about how important KI is to them. So that would mean they would be working on another KI project. Seems very logical no? a better base to build from has been the biggest complaint with KI.

Also you can't expect me to just believe you when you have never been verified or proven to be right or wrong yet. If you give me solid proof I will be happy to believe you. You can't just believe anyone this is the internet after all and even then insiders don't know everything which has been proven in the past.
 
I wasn't setting myself up for anything, I just found it very interesting that this has a very similar aesthetic to KI's engine that's all. What makes you so definitive on no new KI, you have proof? or a guess worded that way. Everything right now about KI's state in development points towards ramping heavily down on KI not new content, I don't see Microsoft dropping KI considering it has done well. Iron Galaxy have also talked about how important KI is to them. So that would mean they would be working on another KI project. Seems very logical no? a better base to build from has been the biggest complaint with KI.

Also you can't expect me to just believe you when you have never been verified or proven to be right or wrong yet. If you give me solid proof I will be happy to believe you. You can't just believe anyone this is the internet after all and even then insiders don't know everything which has been proven in the past.

I'm not arguing against a ramping down - I said that some more content was coming. Several devs have talked about how X game is important to them, and yet there is no sequel in sight; just because they said its important doesn't derive any logical conclusion that a sequel is coming. It'll still get more support - MS is putting out a new piece of hardware and is asking devs who have worked with them to showcase support for it already. A KI Scorpio patch isn't news; it should be expected.

And you're right; don't believe me. Hold your breathe as you wait for this KI sequel. It changes nothing.
Yeah, Sneakers, until you get verified its tough to treat you like an authority.

Unless you have idk.

I've already said in the past i'm a dev with a bunch of colleagues all over the industry. I'm not going to go out of my way to prove something any further than that.
 
I'm not arguing against a ramping down - I said that some more content was coming. Several devs have talked about how X game is important to them, and yet there is no sequel in sight; just because they said its important doesn't derive any logical conclusion that a sequel is coming. It'll still get more support - MS is putting out a new piece of hardware and is asking devs who have worked with them to showcase support for it already. A KI Scorpio patch isn't news; it should be expected.

And you're right; don't believe me. Hold your breathe as you wait for this KI sequel. It changes nothing.


I've already said in the past i'm a dev with a bunch of colleagues all over the industry. I'm not going to go out of my way to prove something any further than that.
In the past, the mods would check out your credentials in private so you don't have to expose your identity in public. Maybe PM one of them?

Because, like... As far as all of us are concerned, maybe you're a developer with a broad social network, maybe you're a rando looking for attention. We have no way of knowing. You gotta understand the skepticism.
 
In the past, the mods would check out your credentials in private so you don't have to expose your identity in public. Maybe PM one of them?

Because, like... As far as all of us are concerned, maybe you're a developer with a broad social network, maybe you're a rando looking for attention. We have no way of knowing. You gotta understand the skepticism.

I'm not looking for attention. I'm literally just on here, participating in the discussion, providing insights I do possess, and trying to keep expectations realistic. And I do imagine mods have looked into me in the past.
Hey Sneakers, can you leak some not obvious unannounced MS games? Thanks!

Maybe I would if there were any. :p
 
I'm not looking for attention. I'm literally just on here, participating in the discussion, providing insights I do possess, and trying to keep expectations realistic. And I do imagine mods have looked into me in the past.
Yes, participating in the discussion as a voice of authority.

And you'd probably know if they had.
 

labaronx

Member
I'm not looking for attention. I'm literally just on here, participating in the discussion, providing insights I do possess, and trying to keep expectations realistic. And I do imagine mods have looked into me in the past.


Maybe I would if there were any. :p

Some of us appreciate your insight
 
The pre-E3 'insiders' have begun emerging I see.

Nope. I'll be gone now. I'm not even 'leaking' anything! I haven't yet, nor would I start. Ya'll do you - enjoy yourselves.
Yes, participating in the discussion as a voice of authority.

And you'd probably know if they had.

I know from other people i've been looked into, but no one has ever approached me directly. And I do have some authority on particular topics regarding the industry, but I also learn by engaging with a larger community. Which is why i'm on here to begin with. But clearly, that doesn't suffice. Its okay, I get it - I haven't heard great/fantastic things to tease, so i'm unwelcome. I'll leave ya'll to your own devices.
 
Edit - Thanks for sending someone away, y'all. First Shinobi, now Sneaker.

lol
M8 pls. This is completely different. Shinobi got hounded away for speaking well about a game a lot of people hated, SneakersSO got asked to provide proof he was the authority he claimed to be and left in a huff.

Dude wants to comment on the current known state of affairs, I don't think anybody has any problem with that. It's when he claimed special knowledge and refused to demonstrate credibility that there was an issue.

Shit used to be a routine part of insider posts on GAF.
 
M8 pls. This is completely different. Shinobi got hounded away for speaking well about a game a lot of people hated, SneakersSO got asked to provide proof he was the authority he claimed to be and left in a huff.

Dude wants to comment on the current known state of affairs, I don't think anybody has any problem with that. It's when he claimed special knowledge and refused to demonstrate credibility that there was an issue.

Shit used to be a routine part of insider posts on GAF.
I wasn't equating the two situations.

I mean, even being verified doesn't guarantee anything. Just take the discussion for what it is. E3 will shed light regardless.
 
M8 pls. This is completely different. Shinobi got hounded away for speaking well about a game a lot of people hated, SneakersSO got asked to provide proof he was the authority he claimed to be and left in a huff.

Dude wants to comment on the current known state of affairs, I don't think anybody has any problem with that. It's when he claimed special knowledge and refused to demonstrate credibility that there was an issue.

Shit used to be a routine part of insider posts on GAF.

I'm sure he'll be back in a few hours or days

Recore Definitive Edition
KI DLC/Expansion

E3 stuff so far.

I am quite excited to see the finished version of ReCore!
 
I wasn't equating the two situations.

I mean, even being verified doesn't guarantee anything. Just take the discussion for what it is. E3 will shed light regardless.
Eh, felt like you were. My bad.

And it might not be a guarantee, but it's a good step regardless. Now I guess we really are stuck waiting on E3. Maybe it'll even vindicate Sneakers lol.
 

Dynomutt

Member
What do you guys think? demo or killer instinct sequel, something about it looks to much like KI's engine to me. Maybe it is a tech demo but Iron Galaxy made it?

Game. Based on H.G. Wells daughter. She finds out that maybe her dad's stories weren't just stories...

J/K I don't know.
 

JlNX

Member
I'm not arguing against a ramping down - I said that some more content was coming. Several devs have talked about how X game is important to them, and yet there is no sequel in sight; just because they said its important doesn't derive any logical conclusion that a sequel is coming. It'll still get more support - MS is putting out a new piece of hardware and is asking devs who have worked with them to showcase support for it already. A KI Scorpio patch isn't news; it should be expected.

And you're right; don't believe me. Hold your breathe as you wait for this KI sequel. It changes nothing.


I've already said in the past i'm a dev with a bunch of colleagues all over the industry. I'm not going to go out of my way to prove something any further than that.

I didn't imply that devs finding a game important to them was proof of a sequel, I said the Studio found the game important to them therefore it would not be logical for the studio to drop the game. In no way did I imply a game being important to devs meant a sequel was in production. You seem to take what you want from my post to some how invalidate it, but all it shows is you didn't read it or you didn't understand it. Your not arguing against ramping down? so your telling me this season 3.5 with characters made of old assets and animations is not atypical of most fighting games towards the end of their lives. The studio that for both season 3 and 2 worked on a exact timeline with massive's changes in both seasons and yet never missed a beat is now delivering us this season 3.5 late even, instead of a season 4. When this season 3.5 is damaging to the player base in the long run and wouldn't be better replaced with a season 4 if content is coming.

When did I talk about a KI patch? ok if your trying to point out the most obvious thing in the room to some how come of as your point making more sense it doesn't. Why are you coming of defensive? if you were confident in what you are saying then that's probably not the best way to show it. You make it seem like this KI sequel is live or death for me, rather than a logical conclusion. I think you might need to take a step back from the computer if you take a conversation so personally, that is simply questioning your source or logic.

Being a dev with colleagues across the industry? your going to need more than that. So amazing to have so many colleagues in so many studios, let alone in high up position in Microsoft. Especially that will tell you anything and everything yet no one else knows. Your a dev with colleagues, so a dev among tens of thousands that in no way validates what you say. If that what the qualifiers to have so many sources so wide across the industry and positions then you must wonder how Kotaku and other outlets don't spoil everything.

(Also a mod would be directly in contact with you to see proof that you are in a position to have the information you have, you would know if they had verified you a mod would even state it. But a mod "looked" into you, real great at dancing around that like you usually do with anyone questioning your verification. But of course you'll leave.)
 
With bish's retirement, the current gen of mods aren't apparently interested any longer in the moderation of folks who claim to have inside information.

In that case, all we can do is just hear out what some people are saying and see if the proof is in the pudding.

At the end of the day, it's not like we've got info coming from elsewhere. Even if it's a bunch of hoax, it's still junk food for discussion and speculation to pass our time.
 

blakep267

Member
I wasn't equating the two situations.

I mean, even being verified doesn't guarantee anything. Just take the discussion for what it is. E3 will shed light regardless.
But it's hard to have discussion when he says things and we have to take them as "fact". Not knowing who this person even is and no verification nowadays. Like dude literally claims to be able to see every detail about MS. Ask any random question and he'll have insight. Like come on. Not even Shinobi acts like he knows everything
 
But it's hard o have discussion when he says things and we have to take them as "fact". Like dude literally claims to be able to see every detail about MS. Ask any random question and he'll have insight. Like come on
You don't "have" to. Just disagree and wait for E3 to show who was right and who was wrong. We'll know very soon.
 
I wasn't equating the two situations.

I mean, even being verified doesn't guarantee anything. Just take the discussion for what it is. E3 will shed light regardless.

Getting verified is like a curse these days, watch all the verified insiders drop off one at a time when they start to believe their own hype too much
 

Montresor

Member
I'm not looking for attention. I'm literally just on here, participating in the discussion, providing insights I do possess, and trying to keep expectations realistic. And I do imagine mods have looked into me in the past.


Maybe I would if there were any. :p

Is it just me or is this you confirming that Microsoft has no unannounced games (other than obvious titles like Halo 6, Forza 7, etc...)?

That has to be wrong, no? Does anyone really believe Microosft has not a single new unannounced game? You really think there won't be a new "Recore" type new IP or Ori sequel or anything like that?
 
Getting verified is like a curse these days, watch all the verified insiders drop off one at a time when they start to believe their own hype too much
I wouldn't do it if I started to get info either.

Is it just me or is this you confirming that Microsoft has no unannounced games (other than obvious titles like Halo 6, Forza 7, etc...)?

That has to be wrong, no? Does anyone really believe Microosft has not a single new unannounced game? You really think there won't be a new "Recore" type new IP or Ori sequel or anything like that?
I think he was just exaggerating. He has stated expecting a bunch of secret, unannounced games isn't the way to go but he doesn't literally mean there will be nothing new. There will undoubtedly be new stuff.
 

Zeta Oni

Member
Sneakers is the anti-insider. He won't leak or talk about new games, he'll only state that Xbox doesn't have any, lol.

I know you kid, but that's exactly what the issue is.

Dude is never around when there's any positive discussion to be had, but as soon as you start speculating on games? He will be there to shoot down every optimistic dream and speculative thought almost instantly, while constantly being negative and cynical. Not to mention recycling these tired ass jokes (oh look, another Xbox has no games joke, wonder how many of those we have in just this thread, or shit, from you alone Sneakers)

And while being cynical itself isn't an issue (we all have our moments here, especially as Xbox fans), if your gonna constantly walk around and shoot down other peoples optimism as if you are, in fact, some type of authority, you better have the sources to back your shit up, other wise people aren't gonna take kindly.

Doesn't matter if he's 100% correct on everything he has said.
 
I know you kid, but that's exactly what the issue is.

Dude is never around when there's any positive discussion to be had, but as soon as you start speculating on games? He will be there to shoot down every optimistic dream and speculative thought almost instantly, while constantly being negative and cynical. Not to mention recycling these tired ass jokes (oh look, another Xbox has no games joke, wonder how many of those we have in just this thread, or shit, from you alone Sneakers)

And while being cynical itself isn't an issue (we all have our moments here, especially as Xbox fans), if your gonna constantly walk around and shoot down other peoples optimism as if you are, in fact, some type of authority, you better have the sources to back your shit up, other wise people aren't gonna take kindly.

Doesn't matter if he's 100% correct on everything he has said.

I think he got a KB for a job at Rare lol, its the only reason I can think of for him to consistently talk them down. Not only does Xbox have no games but the few that they do have are all going to flop, massively.

It's a strange stance for a fellow developer to take. Don't think I've seen other "insider devs" really partake in that kind of chat on here.

I'm sure he'll be back shortly to talk about retweets, or the lack thereof or something ;)
 

Papacheeks

Banned
Is it just me or is this you confirming that Microsoft has no unannounced games (other than obvious titles like Halo 6, Forza 7, etc...)?

That has to be wrong, no? Does anyone really believe Microosft has not a single new unannounced game? You really think there won't be a new "Recore" type new IP or Ori sequel or anything like that?

With people like Shinobi and the likes commenting way back during the Scalebound cancellation it's safe to assume outside of the few thing;s we've seen and are known there's isn't a whole lot in the pipeline.

According to a few people including shinobi budget around the Xbox division itself is super tight, so games outside of major franchises and in production (possibly new IP's) there isn't much.

We might see a teaser for one of the newly formed studios but I think they started up in like 2015, so it's highly unlikely at this point. With all the Scorpio talk, crackdown, Sea of thieves and State of decay I feel that's what will take up most of E3 this year along with possible trailers for Halo 6, and a possible gears of war 4 expansion.

But don't expect alot out of xbox this year, their main focus will be Scorpio and how well games run on them which will include third party and games mentioned above along with older games that get repatched like halo 5, gears 4.
 
ReCore 1.0 is gonna be great.
I laughed and got sad at the same time. :(

It's a shame the game wasn't given more time to cook, but I am at least glad they are revisiting/continuing to improve it. Improved FR, HDR, load times, details, content etc will be great.

I know you kid, but that's exactly what the issue is.

Dude is never around when there's any positive discussion to be had, but as soon as you start speculating on games? He will be there to shoot down every optimistic dream and speculative thought almost instantly, while constantly being negative and cynical. Not to mention recycling these tired ass jokes (oh look, another Xbox has no games joke, wonder how many of those we have in just this thread, or shit, from you alone Sneakers)

And while being cynical itself isn't an issue (we all have our moments here, especially as Xbox fans), if your gonna constantly walk around and shoot down other peoples optimism as if you are, in fact, some type of authority, you better have the sources to back your shit up, other wise people aren't gonna take kindly.

Doesn't matter if he's 100% correct on everything he has said.
Not too dog pile, but this is my issue too. It's painfully obvious MS scorned him in some way at a studio he used to develop or currently develops at. Literally only pops up in topics to spread doom and gloom information, and is absent from any "positive" thread or sharing positive information. Would have been great to have his advanced insight about Phantom Dust information, maybe some new information on how Crackdown is looking, or what State of Decay has in store. Instead we just get negative takes.

People excited about Crackdown? Post about how the mind share is poor and they shouldn't be excited

Excited about Sea of Theives? Say how mind share is poor and it costs a lot to make

Waiting for E3? Don't get too excited, they don't have crap
 

Chris1

Member
But it's hard to have discussion when he says things and we have to take them as "fact". Not knowing who this person even is and no verification nowadays. Like dude literally claims to be able to see every detail about MS. Ask any random question and he'll have insight. Like come on. Not even Shinobi acts like he knows everything

Pretty sure he said Scorpio was getting delayed too, haven't put much faith in sneakers in a while tbh.

But I do wish some mod would start vetting people, the amount of "insiders" popping up recently is getting out on hand (There's been a good amount of them not just sneakers). Without Bish seems like people can spew whatever they want. Only insider worth listening to IMO is Shinobi and I guess now Jez Corden,
 
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