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Capcom expects Marvel to sell 2 million, RE7 2M more, has major unannounced title

Oregano

Member
And for good reason: X/Gen was never meant to be a true sequel. It was more or less the equivalent of a dreammatch crossover game that celebrated every aspect of the brand up to the point.

Most of the team behind 4 went on to make Stories, while X was a thing but together by the Portable team.

I thought Stories was actually developed by Marvelous AQL?
 

Sesha

Member
Wait, people really think MvC:I is going to sell two million copies?

How did MvC 3 sell? I thought it didn't do very well.

MvC3 - 2.2m
UMvC3 - 1.2m

Although the UMvC3 numbers might not include the Vita numbers. Capcom probably expects sales to be higher since it's a sequel, but I think the numbers are somewhat optimistic. Or maybe Capcom thinks sub-2m projections for a major title would scare the shareholders.
 

cheesekao

Member
MH4 already moved a bit in that direction. Generations was a bit of a step backwards in that regard.
Yea, MH4 had a proper story of sorts but it was still told in a really simplistic way and the general flow of the game was still similar to past games. What I'm talking about is a full blown campaign. Of course, that would require a lot of resources as it has never been done in an MH game before so who knows if Capcom will ever commit to something like that. Still, Rome wasn't built in a day. Many franchises started out as modest successes but have grown into juggernauts.
 

SkylineRKR

Member
Wait, people really think MvC:I is going to sell two million copies?

How did MvC 3 sell? I thought it didn't do very well.

MvC3 was scam, and Marvel wasn't as huge as they are now. It also came out quite late into the generation. The 2D market got flooded after SFIV. The game didn't sell that well, was quickly dumped and Ultimate came out a mere six months later. There was also a lot of backlash about the datamined DLC characters.

I think Infinite might do better because Marvel has much more awareness nowadays, and if Capcom doesn't fuck it up like they fucked up MvC3 and recently SFV.
 
Reading the earlier pages I wanna provide an argument against the "2.75 shipment in Japan."

Capcom expects to ship +7.3 million units in the west. Now 4 million of those are for RE7 and MvC:I but what about the rest? To people who are saying that the new title will be MH, tell me then, do you see a new MH shipping 3mil units in the west?

I think besides RE and SF, DMC is the only other big Capcom game that can hope to achieve 2.5-3 million sales in the west, so it only makes sense for this major title to be a new Devil May Cry.
 

Oregano

Member
Yea, MH4 had a proper story of sorts but it was still told in a really simplistic way and the general flow of the game was still similar to past games. What I'm talking about is a full blown campaign. Of course, that would require a lot of resources as it has never been done in an MH game before so who knows if Capcom will ever commit to something like that. Still, Rome wasn't built in a day. Many franchises started out as modest successes but have grown into juggernauts.

I think there's a delicate balance but it's also why I wouldn't be surprised if they do establish a western focused subseries instead(although I don't think that's the way they are actually going).
 

TreIII

Member
I thought Stories was actually developed by Marvelous AQL?

All signs point to that they did the heavy lifting, yeah.

But the direction for Stories came from Kaname Fujioka (and his staff), who has been the "main series" director for years. All the lore bits in that particular game do quite a bit to just build upon the kinds of things MH4 started.
 
MvC3 was scam, and Marvel wasn't as huge as they are now. It also came out quite late into the generation. The 2D market got flooded after SFIV. The game didn't sell that well, was quickly dumped and Ultimate came out a mere six months later. There was also a lot of backlash about the datamined DLC characters.

I think Infinite might do better because Marvel has much more awareness nowadays, and if Capcom doesn't fuck it up like they fucked up MvC3 and recently SFV.

You know Capcom already announced there are going to be at least six DLC characters, some on-disc, right? At this point "cautious / skeptic optimism" seems the most reasonable stance regarding MVCI.

What Capcom needs to do is something like MCV2, throw an utterly insane amount of characters in it. Granted, without Fox characters that might be harder now, but it's still possible. At the very least, please don't cut any non-mutants that were in UMVC3.
 
MvC3 - 2.2m
UMvC3 - 1.2m

Although the UMvC3 numbers might not include the Vita numbers. Capcom probably expects sales to be higher since it's a sequel, but I think the numbers are somewhat optimistic. Or maybe Capcom thinks sub-2m projections for a major title would scare the shareholders.

Also, wasn't MvC3 before the movie universe hype?
 
Yea, MH4 had a proper story of sorts but it was still told in a really simplistic way and the general flow of the game was still similar to past games. What I'm talking about is a full blown campaign. Of course, that would require a lot of resources as it has never been done in an MH game before so who knows if Capcom will ever commit to something like that. Still, Rome wasn't built in a day. Many franchises started out as modest successes but have grown into juggernauts.

"Modest success" It's their prime time franchise behind Resident Evil. I don't want to play a fucking boring campaign.
 

Jawmuncher

Member
"Modest success" It's their prime time franchise behind Resident Evil. I don't want to play a fucking boring campaign.

It'll be curious to see what capcom does to make MH a world-wide brand. Because as is and just adding some more consoles to the mix isn't going to change much if it's barely changing from its current style.
 
I'd love if they stuck with that early BoF camera perspective.

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Holy shit where is that top gif from?
 
I'm happy to see they are being much more conservative and realistic with MvC then I feared they might be.

I think that's a doable number if the game is quality and the marketing is solid
 

dracula_x

Member
How are they going to sell 2m extra of RE7?
It's already out on every platform

well, games don't stop selling after launch

for example,

RE6 after 6 months – 4.9 million untis shipped
now – 6.8 million units (and that excluding RE6 port on PS4/XOne, combined it's 7.8 million units).
 

BadWolf

Member
well, games don't stop selling after launch

for example,

RE6 after 6 months – 4.9 million untis shipped
now – 6.8 million units (and that excluding RE6 port on PS4/XOne, combined it's 7.8 million units).

RE6's case is different in that the PC version hit 6 months after the PS360 version, unlike RE7 which launched on PC at the same time as consoles.
 

dracula_x

Member
RE6's case is different in that the PC version hit 6 months after the PS360 version, unlike RE7 which launched on PC at the same time as consoles.
Doesn't mean it will stop selling. I think Summer/Winter steam sales will add a lot to that number.
 

Ponn

Banned
I'm not feeling the hype for MvsCI and so far it feels really lackluster. I haven't seen anything pointing to them learning from SFV mistakes either. My armchair analyst take is they are going to be disappointed in MvsCI sales, partly their fault and will partly be Marvel and their roster bullshit.

My other out of left field prognostication is the unrevealed game is Onimusha staring Jason Statham.
 

dlauv

Member
RE7 will do the old tricks the others do.

Once this gen's platinum hits becomes a thing, or bundling all of the DLC into a new SKU, or steep digital sales.
 

Riposte

Member
I could see RE7 having legs.

The unannounced thing is Monster Hunter going off the numbers.

If they westernize it, I look forward to the exact conversations we had about Dead Rising 4 being a good game but with MH5.

EDIT: Didn't Capcom announce 3 new IPs, one being very DMC-ish, or did I dream that / it was a hoax?
 
I could see RE7 having legs.

The unannounced thing is Monster Hunter going off the numbers.

If they westernize it, I look forward to the exact conversations we had about Dead Rising 4 being a good game but with MH5.

EDIT: Didn't Capcom announce 3 new IPs, one being very DMC-ish, or did I dream that / it was a hoax?
That was a leak and iirc only one of them was real.
 

Dahbomb

Member
All concrete evidence leads to a new DMC:

First of all Capcom's new strategy about main titles getting a new release at a 2-2.5 year window. DMC4SE came out June '15 so they are right on track for a 2.5 year gap between the next entry:

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Second, Itsuno's tweet about a new game announcement this year. He's the director since and not, Capcom's internal plans do not suggest another Dragon's Dogma series (which was never as successful as they wanted anyway). According to their pipeline, DMC is on the list of titles to be released at some point in the 2017 fiscal year (ending in 2018):

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Dragon's Dogma ain't happening anywhere soon.

Monster Hunter PS4? I doubt how this is viable for Capcom on a global scale. It will sell strongly in Japan, everywhere else? Market is already oversaturated by those type of games. It wouldn't work.

Onimusha? Long dead and buried franchise that has become irrelevant. Cannot be considered as a major title.

About Ninja's Theory involvement. They are not developing the game in the first place. They might be back for a minor role as Capcom reverted back on it's outsourcing policy. Everything now is developed internally with a more tight budget:

http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/data/oar/2014/growth/

There is no solid reason to expect anything other than DMC5 at this point.

This is a post.

A good post.
 

kc44135

Member
Still announced, we know it's happening.

Unless there is some new hip meaning to 'unannounced' these days then it doesn't qualify.

Yeah, I'm guess, man. I was just saying that we know so little about it that it may as well be a new game, and they could potentially consider it as such. But whatever. It's probably DMC5 anyway.
 

.la1n

Member
I know it's been said already but "the time has come." While I didn't hate DmC, actually quite enjoyed it, I've missed the original series something awful.
 

Dahbomb

Member
Oh hey ,actually jan 2018 will be DMC4 10th anniversary.What a coincidence.
God damn that is sad....

A decade waiting for a sequel. I know other fans have had to wait longer for a sequel but man it's still a really long ass time to wait.
 

AzureFlame

Member
off topic but

i met dante today (me in blue)
yuca27w_d.webp


we played some SF5
he did beat my ass
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asked him about DMC5.. he can't say anything about it.
 
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