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Gameplay doesn't look very fun, graphics are terrible and 30fps on PC. I never tried this back in the day but I don't think I'll be trying it in the present day either.
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Polygon - Exclusive: 19 Minutes of PHANTOM DUST Remastered Gameplay
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many places
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Did you watch the video? I can understand that you don't think it looks fun and are upset about the frame rate, but the graphics are actually pretty darn good for a 2003 game, especially in terms of the text on signs and whatnot.
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Hydrargyrus
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Looks bad, very clunky
Man these replies are sad as hell. Sure, it's not a ground up remaster. But it's also gonna be cheap as a result - again, the original game launched at $20. Look at PS2 games on PS4 - they go up to $15 for games run through Sony's emulator to 1280x1024 or something, and lots of people are happy to pay that price for Rockstar games for the 4th time. Consider that for Phantom Dust MS had to reverse engineer the engine and make the online backend work with modern XBL too. Seriously, where's the perspective? Phantom Dust is being re-released for modern systems, and that's enough to be happy about.
Don't let the graphics sheep dismay you. This game isn't for them.
Early indications had many believing this game may be a 480p game with Live functionality. So for people to be expecting better than what we're getting and being disappointed, especially when considering the difficulties they faced with the port, that's on them for expecting more than what we've been promised.
In other words, I understand being disappointed when we're promised a huge leap and given the opposite but that's not what happened here.
Well, kinda, yeah? What other lesser known original Xbox exclusives that have come out on modern platforms? so far, I can think of:
Voodoo Vince (uh not sure who wanted this)
Grabbed by the Ghoulies (again, would anybody have /really/ missed this had it not been in the Rare collection?)
And...that's it? People have actually wanted Phantom Dust with working multiplayer for forever now. Where's my Crimson Skies or Mechassault? Those are first party. Then there's third party stuff - Otogi? DOA3? JSRF? Panzer Dragoon Orta? The original Xbox has a ton of amazing stuff that's forever stuck on that console.
Yeah it only shows a placeholder icon. You can follow it but if you try to view it in store it doesn't work.
ItsTheNew
I believe any game made before 1997 is "essentially cave man art."
Agreed, I skipped this in 2003 and I'll skip it again now. Microsoft needs to make some real games quick.
anothertech
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This game makes me sad to think what a real remake or sequel could have been.
I can see the heart and soul the devs poured into making this project happen, and to think of the reception it will get for not having access to original source code makes me die a little inside.
MS just can't catch a break this gen.
I can see the heart and soul the devs poured into making this project happen, and to think of the reception it will get for not having access to original source code makes me die a little inside.
MS just can't catch a break this gen.
In some cases, it's down to malice. See: Panzer Dragoon Saga, where the source code was intentionally disappeared.
As has been explained in this thread, the gameplay doesn't sell itself well here for a variety of reasons. Graphics have aged surprisingly well, and even if they hadn't, why the fuck would that ever, ever, ever be a reason not to play a game? And come on, as nice as 30FPS is to have in games, there are plenty of games that don't have it. Complaining about 30 fps only makes sense in a situation where a game should be running at 60 but isn't for dumb reasons. This has pretty dang good reasons: the original box could barely handle 30, and they don't have source code access. They'd have to do a full remake to hit 60 fps. Hitting 30 is great, and it doesn't exactly look like this game will suffer from not having it.
But, hey, I grew up with PC gaming, so I remember playing all sorts of old games that could barely touch 30 until years after their release, when raw hardware power finally made it possible.
Gamers these days are way too spoiled by the massive gulf between the 360/PS3/Wii and the PC that let us have quite a few 60fps games. We'd never had averages like that before. Try playin some old games on old hardware some time. 30's fine. 60's better. 120 or 144's even better. But 30 isn't a reason to avoid a game.
RedSparrows
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I'd never played it before RR, and really enjoyed it. I'd have missed it if it had been missing it!
sixteen-bit
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Would love to see some of the sega games like PDO and JSRF if so
Reineldinho
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Based on what I've read about the games (never played it myself) it a very complex and profound gameplay based on skill and planning. The problem with the video is that you don't see any of that, only a guy running around throwing color balls and jumping around
A little bit of deck customization I think should have done a better presentation than this video, I think. I'm intrigued by the 'more than 300 skill' mentioned in the video.
I honestly didn't heard of the game until its remaster was announced in 2014, and since then I've followed it (Dark Horse's cancellation, the sneaky OG re-release announcement in 2016, the 480p controversy, etc) but on top of that I have read wonders of the original everywhere (not only in GAF), so I'm definitively going to give it a chance.
I hope it lives up to its legend
A little bit of deck customization I think should have done a better presentation than this video, I think. I'm intrigued by the 'more than 300 skill' mentioned in the video.
I honestly didn't heard of the game until its remaster was announced in 2014, and since then I've followed it (Dark Horse's cancellation, the sneaky OG re-release announcement in 2016, the 480p controversy, etc) but on top of that I have read wonders of the original everywhere (not only in GAF), so I'm definitively going to give it a chance.
I hope it lives up to its legend
So I went looking for any kind of competent play and there is barely anything out there of the original games multiplayer. I found one video to give a better idea of what team play from people who at least know the basics playing against each other. https://youtu.be/bv4ZK1KP_Ko?t=1m14s
What is a real game?
What is a real game?
MS is re-releasing one of the most original, fun, and requested games to ever appear on an Xbox and you say they need to make some "real" games? I get if the game isn't for you, not every game will be, but there's no need to dismiss how great this game is or the effort the developers are taking to port it.
It never getting a PAL release didn't help either.
sixteen-bit
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It's a shame MS didn't believe in it back then, leaving it to a failing Majesco to publish. It had little to no marketing and the bairgain price point left it to die on the shelves.
Banjo-Kazooie
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Did you not read about what Code Mystics had to do to bring this to light of day...?
Regardless of what happens I think this release will be much more successful imo
VectorVictor
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Look, most of these folks aren't biting because it's Microsoft that had a good idea and released it, and not Sony or Nintendo, and they can't get over the cognitive dissonance of Microsoft doing something great.
Get the game, preach about it here and elsewhere, and it will get a following and do enough to justify Microsoft making a new one. Frankly, competitive gaming would love something like this done right, to be honest.
Agreed. Save that shit for the new Berserk anime.
I bought the original Xbox release a year or two ago. Will be picking this up.
FlutterPuffs
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God I hope this is sarcasm.
Probably everything that came out in Q1 2017 i guess..
I really can't tell if you're being serious.
sixteen-bit
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I hope so. It's a super fun game that deserves a second chance.
Not just MS games. Sony have been just as bad with TLoU and Uncharted 4.
I think the fact that it will come out in PAL, has a much bigger potential audience for to market growth and will be <= $20 gives it a very good chance at doing better and then yes we have the optional micro transactions
Going by what was said in the video when price was mentioned, I'm expecting $10. Adam says people will be very happy when it comes to price at the end of the video.
I'd happily pay more than $10 though since I love the game.
Kssio_Aug
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Nah, there are many Xbox One fans as well that are quite disappointed. I was expecting it to be simply a re-release cause they indeed never said it would be a remake or remaster, but I was still hoping for a bigger rework.
All this "no source code" thing though seems to justify the graphics and the frame-rate lock. But I don't understand about coding and have no idea how much it would indeed prevent them from doing a bigger upgrade (a remaster would be good). I didn't completely bought this justification just yet...
And I think that with microtransactions they should just release it for free. If this game was $20 back then, in 2003, today it should cost considerably cheaper... but since there's not much of an upgrade (no gameplay and very little graphical improvements) from a 14 years old game, maybe they could convince more people to jump in if given it for free and monetize on the microtransaction stuff they put in.
If it is so easy to get all the cards playing the campaign, I really don't get why they're selling them separetly as well. Again something I'm not totally convinced... I heard so many times developers saying the balance of the multiplayer won't be affected by non-cosmetical microtransactions, and they're generally so wrong, that here I find a little bit difficult to believe.
I understand this is not what they teased in that E3 (and I know it was canceled), but it's quite sad that we came from the hype of a brand new Phantom Dust, made with all the improvements this gen could offer (better UI, better controls, better graphics, 60fps) to a pure re-release of a 2003 game injected by microtransactions.
This game looks really damn good. I'll have to wait till I have a pc or xbox, but I'll definitely be playing it in the future.
Ishmae1, thanks very much for the candid and detailed responses. You obviously have a lot of passion for this game and it really shows.
I've faith it'll be worth playing.
Ishmae1's responses here are pretty clear cut. I very much doubt he'd lie, so most of your questions are either answered or come from a tin-foil hat place that doesn't really deserve a response.
Ishmae1, thanks very much for the candid and detailed responses. You obviously have a lot of passion for this game and it really shows.
I've faith it'll be worth playing.
Ishmae1's responses here are pretty clear cut. I very much doubt he'd lie, so most of your questions are either answered or come from a tin-foil hat place that doesn't really deserve a response.
GuitarAtomik
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I mean, he goes in to pretty deep detail about what they could and couldn't do based on their situation. For example, They could add new skills, but they'd be limited to creating them by mashing existing ones together. They can adjust value levels like how much damage a skill does. But they can't add new maps. Sounds like they couldn't even replace textures. He mentions one of the fixes they wanted to make was to have a certain item disappear after a certain time and ideally that would have had a whole animation etc to it, but the only way they could was to adjust a value on it's timer.
I mean, that would be nice, but there is a whole campaign and stuff in this. A lot of people who played this even back when it came out probably never touched the multiplayer. I know I didn't (because I didn't have XBLive yet)
You get a lot of skills from campaign, but not all of them. In the original, you unlocked a skill shop after beating the game and you grinded to get more. The MTXs are an avenue for people who want to totally forgo the campaign and jump straight in to multiplayer, or for older players who want to rebuild decks they used to have straight out the gate without having to grind them back out.
It's absolutely crazy how people admit they don't know much about how a game is developed but still have mistrust or suspicions behind what a developer says.
They said it was a port of the OG game with Live functionality and that's what we're getting. If people had higher expectations that's their fault.
I get the hate for microtransactions but it makes sense for this game in a way for people who have previously beaten the game and much rather not do that again to earn the powers. Besides if someone doesn't want to pay, they can purposely fail a mission three times, choose to skip, and get all of the items anyways.
Kssio_Aug
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Was needed too much grind to get the better cards? I think if grindind is still a bit of a pain, even though you can acquire all cards simply by playing, the microtransactions could hurt the balance. Some people would jump in immediatly with a good deck while others would have to slowly build their way up there.
Anyway... as long as the SP is also strong I think I'm particularly okay with it and may give it a chance, as long as they price it right.
Thanks for posting. Also, Secret of Nimh avatar so like +100 points.
GuitarAtomik
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Again, I never got a chance to play multiplayer back in the day so I can't comment on how hard the grind is. I think being worried about P2W is valid but, from what I hear, the game is very balanced and there is no perfect deck. There might be some core skills that everyone should have, but for all we know they could be included in that free DLC pack or through the campaign. Wish I could speak more to it, but again, I never got a chance to play multiplayer so someone else would be able to answer that better.
Kssio_Aug
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I'm always suspicious by what the industry says. They want to sell their games, and even though he may be perfectly honest I have seen and read too many bs along all these years playing video-games.
But I'm definitely not saying he is lying... If don't know how coding works I think it's not something absurd to be suspicious before reading someone else (that also understand how these things works) that's not connected to the project back it up.
Ok, no problem! Thanks for the clarification you were able to provide though! =)