Riposte
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If you don't quite get it, check out this video (boss spoilers, but light on story specifics):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWa9t0Sqt6Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWa9t0Sqt6Q
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Polygon - Exclusive: 19 Minutes of PHANTOM DUST Remastered Gameplay
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digoutyoursoul
Member
Probably highly unlikely but I would be so happy if KOTOR got a re-release
xabbott
Member
Adam also said this. But i dunno it doesn't seem like it's anything other than a port graphically.
I certainly see no "wizardry".
To do what they did without source code is pretty impressive.
This thread is so strange, it makes me wonder why Mega Man Collection or Rare Replay can be released as ports and people understand what they're getting. Maybe if they would have branded it as part of some non-collection like "Xbox Originals" expectations would be in check?
PC version still works well, but needs some work to get running initially.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
It looks just like I remember it but with cleaner textures. but yeah, it's really the bare minimum when it comes to what I expect from a remaster, which is fine, it's true to what I remember and it works on new hardware.
I actually have my original disk somewhere around here lol I should compare.
Either way I am excited to get a chance to play this online again, I missed out on being able to do so because I didn't have xbl back then
only did LAN.
I actually have my original disk somewhere around here lol I should compare.
Either way I am excited to get a chance to play this online again, I missed out on being able to do so because I didn't have xbl back then
only did LAN.Some people like shitting on MS any chance they can get and the situation is further exacerbated by the fact people still seem to be very much butt hurt over the cancellation of the full on remake. Not that I can blame them as that stung after getting hyped up for it at E3.
This is an awesome idea. I'd enjoy watching two fanatics going at it with fully custom decks.
OG Xbox had some great IPs that they never took advantage off.
X1/Scorpio sequels to Halo, Fable, Blood Wake, Crimson Skies, Otoki, Phantom Dust, Mechassault, Blinx, and Gunvalkyrie to go with later IP like Forza and Gears would have given Microsoft a great exclusive lineup. I would have bought some of those on PC.
Alas, all that came from the OG years was Halo MCC, Halo 5, and now a Phantom Dust port.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
I think it has cleaned up quite nicely and a great 'proof of concept' for other titles. It can't take too much work surely, particularly for games where they do have the source code.
My vote is to set these devs to work on a dozen or so of other great OG Xbox games.
My vote is to set these devs to work on a dozen or so of other great OG Xbox games.
TheUnsunghero26
Member
That's understandable. I'm looking forward to playing this for the first time; I've heard nothing but good things about the original.
ChosenPredator
Banned
you guys (the ones who don't masturbate to graphics) are going to have a blast with this game, it's a game i always thought was way ahead of its time, the only thing Microsoft has to worry about his the visual first impressions judging by this forum it may turns a few people off, you just have to make sure they try it and they'll get hooked.
dancrane212
Member
Looks great especially when considering the situation; I was very late to Phantom Dust but even 8 years later the artstyle made the game standout on it's original hardware. Looking forward to completing the campaign and, of course, finally getting to try the multiplayer!
Lets go.
Lets go.
chronic_archaic
Member
The amount of "it's not worth it" posts in here are really surprising me. You barely ever see dev teams reverse engineer entire games and build them back up again - the amount of work required for this to even exist is pretty incredible for such a small team, I will be definitely picking this up since it's so obviously a labor of love and probably an awesome game.
Yes.
I got my start in earnest with Phantom Dust by my friend(hey, the one posting below me!) basically donating me tons of in-game cash. Such a cool ass feature.
deadscreensky
Member
There's lots of interesting info in that video, I really enjoyed listening. It is a shame the footage itself is just single player stuff, that doesn't do the gameplay justice. But Phantom Dust is one of the greatest multiplayer games ever made, so when it's released it won't have any problems finding fans.
The re-release looks pretty good. The only thing that really sticks out to me is the user interface. 30fps is deeply unfortunate but not unexpected. I guess I'll buy a single 30fps game this year, this is Phantom Dust!
The stuff they can do with skill changes could lead to some really crazy 'festival' events.
The re-release looks pretty good. The only thing that really sticks out to me is the user interface. 30fps is deeply unfortunate but not unexpected. I guess I'll buy a single 30fps game this year, this is Phantom Dust!
The stuff they can do with skill changes could lead to some really crazy 'festival' events.
One more question if you don't mind:
You mentioned coming across a "treasure trove" of pre-release material and concept art while working on this project, is there any chance that stuff might ever be available to the fans?
I feel that it would be a good idea to use it for the achievement art, but a whole art book on the game wouldn't hurt either *hint*hint*
Couldn't have said it better myself. I really hope people don't overlook this game. Such a unique and rewarding experience.
deadscreensky
Member
I got my start in earnest with Phantom Dust by my friend(hey, the one posting below me!) basically donating me tons of in-game cash. Such a cool ass feature.
Ha, don't expect the same for this version, at least on release. I'm pretty sure I used a hacked save file on 360 to donate to you last time.
I have to admit the talk about unlocking all the skills for a couple bucks has me tempted. I've played through the game legitimately a couple times already, and it might be fun to hit the multiplayer on day one with the nastiest stuff I can imagine.
I'll need you to create a 0-2 aura cost arsenal sometime for team matches. We're going to Vicious Balance the shit out of randoms.
Battlechili
Banned
This game looks neat. Very flawed, but interesting nonetheless. Reminds me of some JRPGs.
I'm glad Microsoft is taking the time to re-release old titles like this rather than letting them die with time. I never owned an original Xbox, and I don't want to have to go and pick one up just to play some of its older titles. I just hope Microsoft keeps this up and brings us Blinx and Blinx 2 remastered someday.Though, does anyone know if the PC version will be on Steam? Not really thrilled by the idea of buying from the Windows Store.
I'm glad Microsoft is taking the time to re-release old titles like this rather than letting them die with time. I never owned an original Xbox, and I don't want to have to go and pick one up just to play some of its older titles. I just hope Microsoft keeps this up and brings us Blinx and Blinx 2 remastered someday.Though, does anyone know if the PC version will be on Steam? Not really thrilled by the idea of buying from the Windows Store.
You don't need to emulate a game to remaster it; some remasters were done just by taking what was already put on a disc and just touching up that.
One more question if you don't mind:
You mentioned coming across a "treasure trove" of pre-release material and concept art while working on this project, is there any chance that stuff might ever be available to the fans?
I feel that it would be a good idea to use it for the achievement art, but a whole art book on the game wouldn't hurt either *hint*hint*
Every achievement in Phantom Dust features unreleased concept art that I chose (so you can hate on me if you don't like them) with the intent of having cool backgrounds for your Xbox dash. I love that feature and am always bummed when a game doesn't make cool achievement reward art that you can use if you're a fan.
That's sooo fucking awesome! I love achievement art. Can't wait to check it out. Thx for coming into this thread to clear stuff up for everyone. Can't wait to play this again. It's been too long!
belteshazzar
Member
Looks like crap
I don't need ya money, nerd.
It's Mecha's time to pay it forward and make it rain.
Kssio_Aug
Member
Hmmm... the game can actually be more interesting to play than it looks, but we can only talk about it by what they're showing.
It doesn't look bad though... not for a re-release since apparently they weren't able to remaster it.
I said earlier in this thread that I wouldn't buy it. But since it may be pretty cheap (as the original game was only $20) I may give it a try. If they decide to make it free I'll be pretty happy.
deadscreensky
Member
While it's true that the North American release from Majesco was $20, Phantom Dust wasn't actually a budget game in origin. (Microsoft chose not to release it in the US, so that's why Majesco stepped in.) It was a full price game when originally released in Japan.
It sounds like this re-release will be extremely reasonably priced, so I'm not suggesting anybody worry, but we can't really infer anything from the original NA release's price.
Excellent.
Did you ever beat the campaign, actually? I know everybody automatically smirks when this is said, but the story is legitimately fantastic. Probably my favorite game ending.
It sounds like this re-release will be extremely reasonably priced, so I'm not suggesting anybody worry, but we can't really infer anything from the original NA release's price.
Excellent.
Did you ever beat the campaign, actually? I know everybody automatically smirks when this is said, but the story is legitimately fantastic. Probably my favorite game ending.
Love the feature as well, and I look forward to seeing what you've picked for us.
If the stuff released on twitter is any indication of what's to come, id say you have nothing to worry about.
They're doing what Bluepoint did with their PS2 to PS3 ports, not sure what you are getting at, and we called those remasters. MS can call it whatever they want, these match what most gamers would understand to be HD/4K remasters. A mere re-release doesn't get a massive resolution bump, higher res textures, higher quality cinematics, AA and AF up the wazoo on Scorpio. Loftis said it's using the original assets but it's not, it's using source assets.
MS are underselling this, I think it looks great and would love for other OG Xbox games to get the same treatment.
Hey Zeta, you're making the OT for this when it comes out right? It'll be cool if we could have a phantom dust gaf group. Maybe someone can make an Xbox Club for it?
TheUnsunghero26
Member
Awesome. This is the best use of achievements.
This is awesome. Love it when developers add rewards to achievements and trophies.
Not sure this will have AA on either the XBO or Scorpio. I thought this was just a straight port with no real enhancements.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
I think that definitely would help with expectations.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
They said original assets so I don't get where you're getting high res textures. From everything that we know, it's not very much like what the PS2-PS3 remasters are at all. Specifically because they didn't have the source.
ForkNetwork
Banned
This always looked interesting, so Im giving it a shot. Never got hooked on a game with online multiplayer, maybe this will do the trick
deadscreensky
Member
It's in the video in the OP.
Looks like what I'd expected... except a bit better, as there's a LOT of things like signs and text in even modern games, that look crappier than what's going on here.
Also it's pretty nice how much stuff (like broken bars on stairs, or the individual TVs in the hub) is built by actual polygons, rather than just texture trickery.
To me, this makes it feel closer to a lower budget / small team modern passion project, than an old game with a minor update. Even if this was a new game, I'd still buy it. Especially because it's that kind of quirky JP game that not only has a hard time existing on XB1, but even still has a hard time just getting made, regardless of platform.
And thanks for that. That Carnival concept in the Polygon vid is quite nice. It really does add some understated value to the games, as solid background art is something you'd have to pay for on many a media device. Heck, once of the first things I did with Custom BG's was to use some of the Crimson Dragon achievement art as a BG, such as:
Somehow this feels thematically similar...
Also it's pretty nice how much stuff (like broken bars on stairs, or the individual TVs in the hub) is built by actual polygons, rather than just texture trickery.
To me, this makes it feel closer to a lower budget / small team modern passion project, than an old game with a minor update. Even if this was a new game, I'd still buy it. Especially because it's that kind of quirky JP game that not only has a hard time existing on XB1, but even still has a hard time just getting made, regardless of platform.
And thanks for that. That Carnival concept in the Polygon vid is quite nice. It really does add some understated value to the games, as solid background art is something you'd have to pay for on many a media device. Heck, once of the first things I did with Custom BG's was to use some of the Crimson Dragon achievement art as a BG, such as:
Somehow this feels thematically similar...
...and PhantomGAF is now live!
Awesome! I'm looking forward to it.
Edit: perfect timing for my reply, lol. I'll send a request when I'm home from work.
Edit2: Nvm, didn't know it was so easy to do from the phone lol. Request sent!
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Hmmmm... I've watched this twice now and I still don't hear where you're getting this. Timestamp?
I see Adam saying that the textures are the originals, you just couldn't see what they looked like on the original Xbox. Also effects are turned on from the original and converted to modern equivalents on modern DX.
Here ya go, fam. He mentions they're using uncompressed source assets for a lot of the game, like the textures.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Look if you guys are so concerned of negative posts, message a mod to change the title of the thread.
As long as it says Remastered people will come in here expecting better looking footage than this. Hell even Polygon has changed the title of the youtube video to 'HD Re-release' for a reason.
Furthermore it's a problem for me that while they are keeping the textures, model quality as it is, they are planning to still add paid DLC and save card data clientside, which shows they want this game to have legs. Why can't they at least update the IQ too then?