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DAY 4 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Timeaisis (2)
Sorian 2090
Flame_AC 2203

Verelios (1)
Faddy 2199

Nudull (1)
acohrs 2230

Sorian (1)
Timeaisis 2165

CCS (0): Timeaisis 2159 2165

No active vote for Day 4: AbsolutBro, Bronx-Man, CCS, Fat4all, Fireblend, Lone_Prodigy, Nudull, Penguin, Verelios, Zippedpinhead

Day 4 Postcount: AbsolutBro 3, acohrs 7, Bronx-Man 9, CCS 15, Faddy 23, Fat4all 22, Fireblend 6, Flame_AC 13, Lone_Prodigy 4, Nudull 0, Penguin 5, Sorian 38, Timeaisis 24, Verelios 10, Zippedpinhead 4


Day 4 ends:

Automated vote tally here

8 votes for majority

 

[Sorian]

I can't possibly trust someone that never breadcrumbed their role prior to this and claimed weak cop, that doesn't make any sense. I'm actually surprised at the amount of people who didn't question Mazre on how that worked if he hit scum day 2. That doesn't help town at all. As for RF, I wasn't going to vote him since we needed to verify if poison was in play, or we had a PD.

I'm inclined to believe Time's claim enough that I'd give them a day, it wouldn't be too late if nothing happened to lynch them and if it does happen then that's a confirmed (tentative) town to me. Sticking me in is good too, I'm fine with a cage match.

Hider and weak cop shouldn't be breadcrumbing ahead of time at all. If scum happened to notice then they could just kill the person and frame the result. They should only be claiming targets after the fact and hopefully build a base of living confirmed townies. So in that way, I don't see the issue. If anything, the problem was that he didn't leave his supposed Natiko result anywhere.

 

[Sorian]

I like how Flame straight ignored my question about his vote.

 

[Penguin]

Cluemaster, who I have never heard of.

Seems obscure enough that no one would make that up

 

[Sorian]

Seems obscure enough that no one would make that up

Seems obscure enough that it would be on a list of fake claims for roles that fran didn't want to put in the game. That's a dangerous line of thinking and shouldn't actually be considered.

 

[Verelios]

Hider and weak cop shouldn't be breadcrumbing ahead of time at all. If scum happened to notice then they could just kill the person and frame the result. They should only be claiming targets after the fact and hopefully build a base of living confirmed townies. So in that way, I don't see the issue. If anything, the problem was that he didn't leave his supposed Natiko result anywhere.

I meant anything that would give information if the weak cop unfortunately flipped, such as last night's results or an advised read list.

 

[Penguin]

Seems obscure enough that it would be on a list of fake claims for roles that fran didn't want to put in the game. That's a dangerous line of thinking and shouldn't actually be considered.

Hey it checks out!

Not saying that I am going all in on him being town. Could be like Catwoman, an inside agent... or working with Spoiler... if there is a Spoiler!

 

[Flame_AC]

What is this? Do you think he is scum or not? We're a bit past lynching because he don't like a role.

I like how Flame straight ignored my question about his vote.

I didn't like Time's role and think it would have been a negative effect on town. Note that I made my vote based on his original claimed role. Then, I came back to thread like 15 minutes later and he had changed everything about it so I started asking him about it and got involved in other conversation. Sorry I missed your question. I think it's perfectly valid to go after potentially detrimental roles, that's why I made my vote. In all honesty, the way his original role claim was read, it seemed rather fake and oddly specific, which is why I put a vote down. Now if we want, we can debate that maybe he changed his role to a slightly different backup in the 15 minutes between my vote (because he had both mine and yours) and my next post because he saw it was gaining him heat.

Also, Penguin, it isn't going to help us speculating whether a role 'might' be included or not, it's just fluff. Most we can say is there's probably a Batman out there, and I suppose we know a Robin exists too.

 

[Fireblend]

Time's "new" role makes a bit more sense at least. I'm about to collapse in bed, but I'll say that at least now I find the proposition of using it tomorrow appealing. Not sure why scum Time would come forward with his role to buy himself another day, specially since his lynch wasn't for sure, unless he's got an x-shot thing and wants to use it one extra time or something like that. Scum seems actually pretty tame so far, now that I think about it.

 

[Flame_AC]

Time's "new" role makes a bit more sense at least. I'm about to collapse in bed, but I'll say that at least now I find the proposition of using it tomorrow appealing. Not sure why scum Time would come forward with his role to buy himself another day, specially since his lynch wasn't for sure, unless he's got an x-shot thing and wants to use it one extra time or something like that. Scum seems actually pretty tame so far, now that I think about it.

I mean, maybe there's a time component to someone's role. Like maybe Time or someone else gains extra powers/abilities.

 

[Sorian]

I didn't like Time's role and think it would have been a negative effect on town. Note that I made my vote based on his original claimed role. Then, I came back to thread like 15 minutes later and he had changed everything about it so I started asking him about it and got involved in other conversation. Sorry I missed your question. I think it's perfectly valid to go after potentially detrimental roles, that's why I made my vote. In all honesty, the way his original role claim was read, it seemed rather fake and oddly specific, which is why I put a vote down. Now if we want, we can debate that maybe he changed his role to a slightly different backup in the 15 minutes between my vote (because he had both mine and yours) and my next post because he saw it was gaining him heat.

Also, Penguin, it isn't going to help us speculating whether a role 'might' be included or not, it's just fluff. Most we can say is there's probably a Batman out there, and I suppose we know a Robin exists too.

If anything, the Robin one is the one we know exists. Fran could easily be taking the piss with the flavor and the thread title and there could be no batman.

Time's "new" role makes a bit more sense at least. I'm about to collapse in bed, but I'll say that at least now I find the proposition of using it tomorrow appealing. Not sure why scum Time would come forward with his role to buy himself another day, specially since his lynch wasn't for sure, unless he's got an x-shot thing and wants to use it one extra time or something like that. Scum seems actually pretty tame so far, now that I think about it.

I still hold that Natiko likely had a red check on Time and wanted to lynch hin for town brownie points. That conclusion seems clear as day and yet, I'm the only one who seems to think so. Scum could easily be ignoring it publicly but saw the writing in the wall so Time came out ahead of it. I also don't trust multiple days of "I can prove I'm town tonight!" and then just waiting for suspicion.

 

[Timeaisis]

If anything, the Robin one is the one we know exists. Fran could easily be taking the piss with the flavor and the thread title and there could be no batman.



I still hold that Natiko likely had a red check on Time and wanted to lynch hin for town brownie points. That conclusion seems clear as day and yet, I'm the only one who seems to think so. Scum could easily be ignoring it publicly but saw the writing in the wall so Time came out ahead of it. I also don't trust multiple days of "I can prove I'm town tonight!" and then just waiting for suspicion.

Huh? It will take one day.

 

[Fireblend]

Ah yes I'd honestly forgotten about that. Seeing you so laser focused on that read could have easily prompted scum Time to pull this role out of his ass, so the timing is not as arbitrary as I was thinking it was.

 

[Sorian]

Huh? It will take one day.

I mean the fact that you've mentioned at least twice that you can prove your role over night. And one of those was before you were any major contender.

 

[Flame_AC]

Huh? It will take one day.

You're not the first one to do it is Sorian's point I think.

 

[Timeaisis]

I mean the fact that you've mentioned at least twice that you can prove your role over night. And one of those was before you were any major contender.

Right, and?

Why would I reveal my role so early? I wanted to wait a few days so we had a decent read of everyone before I activated what I thought was a vote limiter.

I said I could prove I was town anytime because it was true. I could. I didn't want to claim and activate immediately, for obvious reasons. I'm not sure what you think is so weird about that.

 

[Sorian]

Right, and?

Why would I reveal my role so early? I wanted to wait a few days so we had a decent read of everyone before I activated what I thought was a vote limiter.

I said I could prove I was town anytime because it was true. I could. I didn't want to claim and activate immediately, for obvious reasons. I'm not sure what you think is so weird about that.

Why mention it? You're right, I don't want you to claim early, not exactly a stunning revelation. Why claim so early that you can easily prove you are town by using your action? Wouldn't that just draw a night kill your way?

 

[Nudull]

My apologies for my absence. Something very serious happened on my end that I needed to handle. Will try to post more tomorrow.

 

[Verelios]

Why mention it? You're right, I don't want you to claim early, not exactly a stunning revelation. Why claim so early that you can easily prove you are town by using your action? Wouldn't that just draw a night kill your way?

I thought Time mentioned (weirdly) that any night actions directed to him by scum wouldn't work, however that works. Seems op.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

I think it was Sorian who said that Flush seemed like he wanted one more night when he claimed poison. Now he's applying it to Time. It's a valid strategy, even if sometimes a claim is just a claim.

However, we had a neutral flip whose win condition included killing a specific person. If Time had a similar win condition he could only need tonight to win.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

I thought Time mentioned (weirdly) that any night actions directed to him by scum wouldn't work, however that works. Seems op.

Ascetic is a tradition now.

 

[Sorian]

I thought Time mentioned (weirdly) that any night actions directed to him by scum wouldn't work, however that works. Seems op.

I read it as him being cocky and saying that they can go ahead and kill him and he'd do it anyway but it was very off the cuff comment so who knows.

I think it was Sorian who said that Flush seemed like he wanted one more night when he claimed poison. Now he's applying it to Time. It's a valid strategy, even if sometimes a claim is just a claim.

However, we had a neutral flip whose win condition included killing a specific person. If Time had a similar win condition he could only need tonight to win.

I did use similar logic, yes. You are partially to blame due to your play in MGS but there comes a point when people just need to do whatever they can to live one more day. I can, obviously, be wrong but I think Time is scummy without this claim, it just adds more for me.

 

[CCS]

Since no-one is posting, may as well work out a reads list.

Towny

Lone_Prodigy
Fireblend
Bronx-Man
Fat4all
Sorian
Verelios

Neutral/null

Flame_AC
AbsolutBro
Timeaisis - Town if claim is true, scum otherwise.
acohrs
Faddy
Penguin

Scummy

Nudull
Zippedpinhead

 

[Faddy]

Since no-one is posting, may as well work out a reads list.

Towny

Lone_Prodigy
Fireblend
Bronx-Man
Fat4all
Sorian
Verelios

Neutral/null

Flame_AC
AbsolutBro
Timeaisis - Town if claim is true, scum otherwise.
acohrs
Faddy
Penguin

Scummy

Nudull
Zippedpinhead

I think we need to do something here. I definitely don't want to lynch a doctor. So Nudull since your claim is somewhat light on details how about you pitch in a few more.

Your targets for previous nights and your reasons
Your character name

 

[Faddy]

Might as well do my own reads list. Version 3.

All players ranked from Town to Scum

TOWN

CCS
Fat4all
Nudull
Timeaisis
Sorian
Flame_AC
acohrs
Penguin
AbsolutBro
Bronx-Man
Fireblend
Zippedpinhead
Lone_Prodigy
Verelios

SCUM

If you are below Flame you have almost 0 town credit imo.

 

[Timeaisis]

Why mention it? You're right, I don't want you to claim early, not exactly a stunning revelation. Why claim so early that you can easily prove you are town by using your action? Wouldn't that just draw a night kill your way?

Well, this being a role madness game, I figured soft claiming something at that point wasn't too risky. We had a bunch of other "harder" soft claims by that point anyway.

And I was trying to make a point that I can prove myself town despite constantly drawing your suspicion for whatever reason, which is why I'm not backing down on my mistrust of you, either.

 

[Sorian]

At Faddy, what places Fat so high on your list? And where do you stand on who the poison attempt on him came from?

Well, this being a role madness game, I figured soft claiming something at that point wasn't too risky. We had a bunch of other "harder" soft claims by that point anyway.

And I was trying to make a point that I can prove myself town despite constantly drawing your suspicion for whatever reason, which is why I'm not backing down on my mistrust of you, either.

"For whatever reason" Really?

 

[Fireblend]

Might as well do my own reads list. Version 3.

All players ranked from Town to Scum.

Is there something that earns Nudull its spot in your list beyond his protective role claim?

 

[Faddy]

Is there something that earns Nudull its spot in your list beyond his protective role claim?

I think an unchallenged Doctor claim is a lot more town evidence than anyone lower on the list had demonstrated.

 

[Sorian]

I think an unchallenged Doctor claim is a lot more town evidence than anyone lower on the list had demonstrated.

Now do my question next.

 

[Fireblend]

I think an unchallenged Doctor claim is a lot more town evidence than anyone lower on the list had demonstrated.

So the answer is no, ok.

 

[Timeaisis]

"For whatever reason" Really?

Yes, I don't understand your reasons. I thought I've made that extensively clear in the past.

 

[Faddy]

At Faddy, what places Fat so high on your list? And where do you stand on who the poison attempt on him came from?



"For whatever reason" Really?

I think the interactions I have had with Fat have been solid, he has given good push back and what I see as logical thinking. Although I can see that I may have fallen into a similar trap like I think you have with Vere but I trust my gut on this.

As for the poison, with the working theory that it is the Joker character as a neutral and Natiko's partner, I would need to go back and read Natiko's read lists. I suspect it will be someone that he read as neutral but was positive on then moved to town on his day 2 list. I will go and look up those posts now.

 

[Sorian]

I think the interactions I have had with Fat have been solid, he has given good push back and what I see as logical thinking. Although I can see that I may have fallen into a similar trap like I think you have with Vere but I trust my gut on this.

As for the poison, with the working theory that it is the Joker character as a neutral and Natiko's partner, I would need to go back and read Natiko's read lists. I suspect it will be someone that he read as neutral but was positive on then moved to town on his day 2 list. I will go and look up those posts now.

I ask for the same reason I asked Bronx yesterday to which no one really acknowledged. If Joker was the one that tried to poison Fat, isn't there a worry there that Fat is Robin? There didn't appear to be another kill attempt last night and JOATs don't need to be infinite shot so why use poison on Fat!

 

[Sorian]

That exclamation point is making me laugh more than it should. Dumb phone.

 

[Faddy]

Ok reading Natiko's lists Sorian, Zippedpinhead and sort of acohrsa are the people who fits the profile I posted

Day 1

Null


Acohrs - Play so far doesn't remind me of his scum gafia games at all, honestly. Unfortunately for him it does remind me of his recent scum game on MU. Need more info. Null.

Sorian - Obligatory D1 null read. Leaning closer to town for what it's worth due to play seeming very reminiscent of his last two games. Haven't played with scum Sorian to be fair. I try to not focus on Sorian at first as he's usually not long for this world anyways.

Zippedpinhead - I liked your first posts mostly. I recall that you're generally a less active player so it's a bit more difficult to pin a read down. That being said, your last two posts were really bizarre. Enough to drag you down to null.

Day 2

Town

Verelios - Not sure what the hell was going on earlier but I doubt either you or Sorian would do it as scum since it seemed very..aggravated on each of your parts.

Sorian - Ditto


Lean Town

Zippedpinhead - Your day end D1 was a bit sketchy, but otherwise I've found your play decent. You weren't particularly active in the other game I played with you so that's no surprise. Going to go ahead and lean town. Might be a bit of a gut read though.


Acohrs - Play still doesn't remind me of your scum games, but then again it didn't in the last MU game from you I saw either when it turned out you were scum. Not feeling great either way on you so still a null.

If I had to put them in order of confidence

Zipped > acohrs > Sorian

 

[Faddy]

I ask for the same reason I asked Bronx yesterday to which no one really acknowledged. If Joker was the one that tried to poison Fat, isn't there a worry there that Fat is Robin? There didn't appear to be another kill attempt last night and JOATs don't need to be infinite shot so why use poison on Fat!

The reason I would rule out Fat for Joker is Natiko gave him a strong scum read when he was still a viable lynch candidate. I don't see that a solid team mate play.

 

[Sorian]

The reason I would rule out Fat for Joker is Natiko gave him a strong scum read when he was still a viable lynch candidate. I don't see that a solid team mate play.

I didn't say Fat was Joker? I said if Joker is the poisoner, why did he use a shot on Fat? Is there no worry that Fat is Robin meaning scum?

 

[Faddy]

I didn't say Fat was Joker? I said if Joker is the poisoner, why did he use a shot on Fat? Is there no worry that Fat is Robin meaning scum?

I totally mis-read your point in a really dumb way.

OK. Why did someone take out Kalor/Splinter on night 1?

As I posted Natiko was scum reading Fat so maybe they decided to use a kill shot while they could. We don't know how many kill shots the Joker has or what happens if Robin dies.

Not to get on your bad side by suggesting to put this on the back burner for a day but if scum do know who the Joker is and Natiko took the shot then it will probably be resolved tonight. If the Joker has a positive on Fat=Joker than we might get that flip tonight as well.

Scum could be poisoned right now and sitting tight to deny us the information about why they died.

 

[Faddy]

Fat=Robin

I have some sort of mental block.

 

[Sorian]

I totally mis-read your point in a really dumb way.

OK. Why did someone take out Kalor/Splinter on night 1?

As I posted Natiko was scum reading Fat so maybe they decided to use a kill shot while they could. We don't know how many kill shots the Joker has or what happens if Robin dies.

Not to get on your bad side by suggesting to put this on the back burner for a day but if scum do know who the Joker is and Natiko took the shot then it will probably be resolved tonight. If the Joker has a positive on Fat=Joker than we might get that flip tonight as well.

Scum could be poisoned right now and sitting tight to deny us the information about why they died.

Night 1 had to be a shot in the dark for whatever reason. Thinning the herd, trying to look like a vig, who knows. Obviously I'm not super concerned on this which is why I'm still on Time. There isn't even definitive proof that the poison isn't scum which would town clear Fat. I'm asking thoughts from people who seem to be assuming Joker has the poison though.

As an extra, if they had the positive ID then Fat would have been killed last night unless we think the same person got roleblocked and targeted for a kill (heavy assumption still that scum didn't target Natiko for a kill directly).

 

[Fireblend]

I totally mis-read your point in a really dumb way.

OK. Why did someone take out Kalor/Splinter on night 1?

As I posted Natiko was scum reading Fat so maybe they decided to use a kill shot while they could. We don't know how many kill shots the Joker has or what happens if Robin dies.

Not to get on your bad side by suggesting to put this on the back burner for a day but if scum do know who the Joker is and Natiko took the shot then it will probably be resolved tonight. If the Joker has a positive on Fat=Joker than we might get that flip tonight as well.

Scum could be poisoned right now and sitting tight to deny us the information about why they died.

Putting your neck out for Fat4all like this seems odd. In your scenario in which scum knows who Joker is, it seems to me like they'd have the advantage to setup their actions however necessary to deal with the Joker and protect Robin. I already mentioned I feel like scum have been really tame this game - other than the poison and the curse (the latter which I'm not even sure was actually a thing) we haven't seen much. Feels reasonable to me that they might have a role blocker which would be enough to deal with Joker.

 

[Sorian]

I read Fire's post and my mind immediately jumped to, maybe Time wants an extra night because he is the roleblocker and they want to be able to hold Joker in place.

 

[Faddy]

I read Fire's post and my mind immediately jumped to, maybe Time wants an extra night because he is the roleblocker and they want to be able to hold Joker in place.

I could see that. It also goes with his questionable reveal of his power.

Why didn't he know what it did? If he had any doubt about his role when he received it he should have PM'd fran for clarification. Using it this early seems like a huge gamble as well with so many living players there is a high chance the players he puts in jeopardy are all town.

Why should we even trust his ability to read the game after his CCS vote? A solid player who has a grasp on the thread doesn't miss that.

I'm convinced

VOTE: Timeaisis

 

[Sorian]

That felt oddly easy for convincing but I'll take it.

 

[Fireblend]

I can see Sorian's suggestion but I feel like that's less substantiated than suspicion on Fat because of the weight of Natiko's read. Makes Faddy's vote come off as the result of wanting to buy Fat some time. Which is weird because it goes against what I thought of those to (Faddy and Fat) so far. How do you justify voting for Time before Fat4all? I'll admit it doesn't help I've townread Time so far and I've voted Fat more than once.

 

[Timeaisis]

Showing you guys are willing to take a chance to lynch what will be a 100% confirmed town tomorrow is telling

 

[Sorian]

I can see Sorian's suggestion but I feel like that's less substantiated than suspicion on Fat because of the weight of Natiko's read. Makes Faddy's vote come off as the result of wanting to buy Fat some time. Which is weird because it goes against what I thought of those to (Faddy and Fat) so far. How do you justify voting for Time before Fat4all? I'll admit it doesn't help I've townread Time so far and I've voted Fat more than once.

I don't think I understand the premise in this post. When you say the weight of Natiko's read, are you talking about Fat or Time?

 

[Faddy]

Showing you guys are willing to take a chance to lynch what will be a 100% confirmed town tomorrow is telling

You will be 100% confirmed by the end of the day it looks like.

 

[Faddy]

Showing you guys are willing to take a chance to lynch what will be a 100% confirmed town tomorrow is telling

Also why do you think your power will confirm you 100% as town?